| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! 18:26 - Aug 19 with 2823 views | Ryorry |
Surely the MPs must have been aware their facial expressions/body language will be widely shared on sm & probably TV news? They've not exactly bothered to conceal their feelings here -
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 18:57 - Aug 19 with 2331 views | BlueBadger |
Yes, but the Labour Party |  |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:11 - Aug 19 with 2277 views | Ryorry |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 18:57 - Aug 19 by BlueBadger |
Yes, but the Labour Party |
... are sadly divided & badly need to get their act together. Literally.
Meanwhile, have just seen a rather interesting take on that OP clip -
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:17 - Aug 19 with 2257 views | Steve_M |
Maybe, but solely to replace Johnson with Sunak. Which ignores the fact that Sunak got every big call wrong on Covid and is still pushing for workers to go back to offices above all else. |  |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:22 - Aug 19 with 2214 views | Ryorry |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:17 - Aug 19 by Steve_M |
Maybe, but solely to replace Johnson with Sunak. Which ignores the fact that Sunak got every big call wrong on Covid and is still pushing for workers to go back to offices above all else. |
I know - the problem is that Sunak would nevertheless be an improvement, the bar's so low. | |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:26 - Aug 19 with 2184 views | chicoazul |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:17 - Aug 19 by Steve_M |
Maybe, but solely to replace Johnson with Sunak. Which ignores the fact that Sunak got every big call wrong on Covid and is still pushing for workers to go back to offices above all else. |
Definitely something brewing against Johnson though. Brexit is finished so he and his basket of deplorables in cabinet have delivered on that which is what they were there for, I don’t think they intend to let him actually run the place now. It’ll be Javid or Hunt or even Theresa May again.
Edit; probably Sunak though. He of the huge hands. [Post edited 19 Aug 2021 19:28]
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:28 - Aug 19 with 2164 views | J2BLUE |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:22 - Aug 19 by Ryorry |
I know - the problem is that Sunak would nevertheless be an improvement, the bar's so low. |
Like replacing Paul Hurst with Paul Jewell.
What’s the point? We need a massive change. Sunak should never ever get the keys to #10. Was impressed to start with but he’s a snake with media training.
No better than BJ [Post edited 19 Aug 2021 20:31]
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:35 - Aug 19 with 2124 views | Kropotkin123 |
From that clip it seems like he is saying it was part of their plan that the Afghani government would fall to the Taliban... Surely that isn't what he meant or said with context? |  |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:37 - Aug 19 with 2109 views | chicoazul |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:35 - Aug 19 by Kropotkin123 |
From that clip it seems like he is saying it was part of their plan that the Afghani government would fall to the Taliban... Surely that isn't what he meant or said with context? |
Believe I saw today the outgoing Afghan prez was on a french plane to the Emirates with $170m in cash. So it’s possible. | |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:45 - Aug 19 with 2064 views | textbackup |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:28 - Aug 19 by J2BLUE |
Like replacing Paul Hurst with Paul Jewell.
What’s the point? We need a massive change. Sunak should never ever get the keys to #10. Was impressed to start with but he’s a snake with media training.
No better than BJ [Post edited 19 Aug 2021 20:31]
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is anything better than a BJ? maybe PC's first win comes close.... |  |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 20:22 - Aug 19 with 1920 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:35 - Aug 19 by Kropotkin123 |
From that clip it seems like he is saying it was part of their plan that the Afghani government would fall to the Taliban... Surely that isn't what he meant or said with context? |
Last year the US were negotiating directly with the Taliban and excluded the Afghan government. Looking back at what the Taliban were saying about those talks it seems clear they saw the withdrawal of troops as their road to power.
A cynic could say that the reason the US didn’t include the Afghan government in those talks was because they knew agreement between the then government and the Taliban was pretty much impossible. Noises about the need for the Taliban and the govt to follow up the ‘peace’ agreement with talks conveniently avoided the issue at the time, but I can’t believe anyone thought the Taliban would respect the sitting government. It was against everything the Taliban wanted.
It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that political tensions at home in the US dictated this ‘peace deal’, with thoughts of actual peace barely involved (or certainly not an attempt to provide a workable roadmap to peace where the position of the sitting government was respected).
Looks like the people of Afghanistan have been sold down the river. Maybe the government too, unless a few backhanders have been flying around. |  |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 20:31 - Aug 19 with 1886 views | GlasgowBlue |
Boris has only ever been there so long as he is useful to the ERG and the hard right in the party. Which is ironic considering that Johnson is far more liberal than those who control him.
When he becomes a liability then he is toast. |  |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 20:34 - Aug 19 with 1859 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:17 - Aug 19 by Steve_M |
Maybe, but solely to replace Johnson with Sunak. Which ignores the fact that Sunak got every big call wrong on Covid and is still pushing for workers to go back to offices above all else. |
In fairness to Sunak, it’s his job to ensure that we still have an economy when we come out if this the other end. Getting the COvid calls right is the job of the Health Secretary and the PM.
Although if we are to believe Cummings over his Hancock revelations then surely we are to belive him when he says that Sunak was on the side of caution? | |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 20:36 - Aug 19 with 1854 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 20:31 - Aug 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Boris has only ever been there so long as he is useful to the ERG and the hard right in the party. Which is ironic considering that Johnson is far more liberal than those who control him.
When he becomes a liability then he is toast. |
Seems that way. His foibles seem to be overlooked for for his popularity with the electorate. I assume you mean he’ll become a liability once his ratings fall? | |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 20:46 - Aug 19 with 1817 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 20:36 - Aug 19 by Swansea_Blue |
Seems that way. His foibles seem to be overlooked for for his popularity with the electorate. I assume you mean he’ll become a liability once his ratings fall? |
He was elected leader to win the election. His incompetence and shagging history was priced in. | |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 20:52 - Aug 19 with 1758 views | HARRY10 |
For all the handwringing among the Tories, it will most likely be the scaling back of the pension triple lock which will have MPs ears getting a bashing.
Many are already getting it in the neck over changes to the planning laws, which many see as YIMBY (yes in my backyard).
If the Tories replace the bloated buffoon, whoever gets the job will have to look far and wide to find competent folk for the cabinet. Those with any degree of competence and experience were slung after fatboy won the election. A Year Zero policy that was intended to secure his job, but one that was always going to back fire.
I would expect nothing of note to happen until the Tory Conference, the first week of October. By which time, there maybe a bit more on how the social care package is to be paid for. A really contentious question as many younger voters may not be too pleased to find they are expected to cough up, for those who have made huge sums out of a rigged housing market. |  | | |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 21:21 - Aug 19 with 1686 views | BlueBadger |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 20:46 - Aug 19 by GlasgowBlue |
He was elected leader to win the election. His incompetence and shagging history was priced in. |
The open bigotry was a feature, not a bug. | |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 21:26 - Aug 19 with 1657 views | Guthrum |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:35 - Aug 19 by Kropotkin123 |
From that clip it seems like he is saying it was part of their plan that the Afghani government would fall to the Taliban... Surely that isn't what he meant or said with context? |
It may not have been a deliberate plan, but it was certainly a strong possibility, if not probability. |  |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 21:41 - Aug 19 with 1589 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 21:26 - Aug 19 by Guthrum |
It may not have been a deliberate plan, but it was certainly a strong possibility, if not probability. |
Let's hope we are in for a surprise. Everyone thought Vietnam was finished when the south crumbled but it all worked out in the end. |  |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 21:49 - Aug 19 with 1548 views | jaykay |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 21:41 - Aug 19 by Lord_Lucan |
Let's hope we are in for a surprise. Everyone thought Vietnam was finished when the south crumbled but it all worked out in the end. |
hope so . then the most of the world wanted the u.s.a out of vietnam now most of the world want the u.s.a not have been in hurry to get out |  |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 21:53 - Aug 19 with 1531 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Indeed. I have absolutely no doubt that they intend to remove him from post before the next election and blame every unpopular/bad thing specifically on Johnson and not the party.
It is plays well to the electorate and is likely to see them stay in power for a long time as yet. Thoroughly depressing. |  |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 22:26 - Aug 19 with 1448 views | TractorWood |
The Tories are waiting to confirm Covid is sort of solved before turning the knife. He's an oven ready scapegoat for every failing in the last 18 months. |  |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 22:54 - Aug 19 with 1377 views | HARRY10 |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 22:26 - Aug 19 by TractorWood |
The Tories are waiting to confirm Covid is sort of solved before turning the knife. He's an oven ready scapegoat for every failing in the last 18 months. |
Hardly a scapegoat, when it was his constant lies* that had so many voting for him, his incompetence over brexit negotiations (NI protocol), his failure to take action early on with covid, failure to close down soon enough once the pandemic had spread.
* the lies that now have farmers, hauliers, exporters, fishermen, DUP all badly losing out
that had him state on the steps on No 10 in July 2019 that he already had a plan to "fix the crisis in social care once and for all"
Johnson neither is, nor will be, a scapegoat any more than Marcus Evans is a scapegoat for the failings of the previous 13 years | | | |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 07:41 - Aug 20 with 1107 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 19:17 - Aug 19 by Steve_M |
Maybe, but solely to replace Johnson with Sunak. Which ignores the fact that Sunak got every big call wrong on Covid and is still pushing for workers to go back to offices above all else. |
The masses aren’t going to see that.
They’re going to see Sunak as the one who gave the country furlough and saved us all…. |  |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 08:04 - Aug 20 with 1056 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 07:41 - Aug 20 by ITFC_Forever |
The masses aren’t going to see that.
They’re going to see Sunak as the one who gave the country furlough and saved us all…. |
Well quite so.
There's a chance that it will still all go wrong for Sunak if he is still chancellor April 2022 (perhaps even November this year) but, just at the moment, he is basically seen as the man who threw loadsamoney at the country; and when the country said, "It's not enough" he threw more. |  |
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| Wow - could a coup be brewing?! on 08:11 - Aug 20 with 1042 views | GeoffSentence |
Disappointing.
I was hoping to see them stroking their lower mandibles in that 'chinny reckon' way. |  |
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