| Emma Raducanu 06:22 - Sep 10 with 11654 views | noggin |
This is gonna hurt the gammonista. Born in Canada to a Chinese mother and Hungarian father. Love it. |  |
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| Emma Raducanu on 11:52 - Sep 10 with 1196 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Emma Raducanu on 11:48 - Sep 10 by Tangledupin_Blue |
I don't see why people are having such a pop at Noggin in this thread. We British (perhaps English) have, for as long as I can remember, had an ambivalent attitude regarding the provenance of those who represent us in sport. Zola Budd, Greg Rusedski, Graeme Hick are examples. There was disapproving harrumphing directed at Mo Farah. And there is still outright racism directed at our black footballers born in this country.
It appears to me that Noggin is having a gentle swipe at the racists. Those who are criticising him are, perhaps, not far removed from those who boo England's footballers for taking the knee. |
Your last sentence is utter nonsense.
BTW some of us who remember the Cologne new year's eve sexual assaults of 2015 know that Noggin is far from the progressive he attempts to portray himself as. |  |
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| Emma Raducanu on 11:56 - Sep 10 with 1188 views | HighgateBlue |
To people who are racist: don't be racist, and just enjoy this amazingly talented British girl's success.
To people who needlessly bring up her heritage to start arguments: don't needlessly bring up her heritage to start arguments where none exist, and just enjoy this amazingly talented British girl's success..
Honestly, I've not seen a single person of any persuasion grumble about her race, heritage, colour. In fact there have been fewer sarcastic comments about the fact she was born in Canada than there were in relation to Greg Rusedski. What I did see was plenty of establishment figures, some of whom you'd doubtless call gammonista, enjoying and celebrating her initial success at Wimbledon. |  | | |
| Emma Raducanu on 11:59 - Sep 10 with 1170 views | J2BLUE |
| Emma Raducanu on 11:56 - Sep 10 by HighgateBlue |
To people who are racist: don't be racist, and just enjoy this amazingly talented British girl's success.
To people who needlessly bring up her heritage to start arguments: don't needlessly bring up her heritage to start arguments where none exist, and just enjoy this amazingly talented British girl's success..
Honestly, I've not seen a single person of any persuasion grumble about her race, heritage, colour. In fact there have been fewer sarcastic comments about the fact she was born in Canada than there were in relation to Greg Rusedski. What I did see was plenty of establishment figures, some of whom you'd doubtless call gammonista, enjoying and celebrating her initial success at Wimbledon. |
Precisely this. |  |
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| Emma Raducanu on 12:00 - Sep 10 with 1163 views | HighgateBlue |
| Emma Raducanu on 08:15 - Sep 10 by Darth_Koont |
I think it’s the very nature of that Britishness that noggin is getting at.
We’ve torn ourselves apart over immigration when the reality is that we’re talking about families and individuals who generally give back more than they take. |
That's true. I agree.
But the OP was not a celebration of Emma's contribution or immigrants' contributions. It was having a go at a group of people instead. And I've genuinely not seen /anyone/ grumble about her race or background. | | | |
| Emma Raducanu on 12:05 - Sep 10 with 1140 views | Digger77 |
| Emma Raducanu on 11:52 - Sep 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Your last sentence is utter nonsense.
BTW some of us who remember the Cologne new year's eve sexual assaults of 2015 know that Noggin is far from the progressive he attempts to portray himself as. |
Ah yeah, the slap and tickle remark. Well remembered. |  | | |
| Emma Raducanu on 12:10 - Sep 10 with 1103 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Emma Raducanu on 11:52 - Sep 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Your last sentence is utter nonsense.
BTW some of us who remember the Cologne new year's eve sexual assaults of 2015 know that Noggin is far from the progressive he attempts to portray himself as. |
What is wrong with that last sentence? Noggin is clearly having a pop at racists. And there are several respondents criticising him for it.
As for your second paragraph... Are you criticising him on this thread because of something he said a long time ago on an unrelated matter or purely on the merits of his comments here and now? |  |
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| Emma Raducanu on 12:14 - Sep 10 with 1087 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Emma Raducanu on 11:56 - Sep 10 by HighgateBlue |
To people who are racist: don't be racist, and just enjoy this amazingly talented British girl's success.
To people who needlessly bring up her heritage to start arguments: don't needlessly bring up her heritage to start arguments where none exist, and just enjoy this amazingly talented British girl's success..
Honestly, I've not seen a single person of any persuasion grumble about her race, heritage, colour. In fact there have been fewer sarcastic comments about the fact she was born in Canada than there were in relation to Greg Rusedski. What I did see was plenty of establishment figures, some of whom you'd doubtless call gammonista, enjoying and celebrating her initial success at Wimbledon. |
Quite right on the first 2 paras. But the 3rd is the OP's whole point - you won't see most people grumble about her heritage. That's the hypocrisy. The press certainly (and maybe establishment figures, but I don't know who you mean) who've been openly xenophobic and even racist in other contexts will happily ride off the back of the feelgood factor from her success. Just as they did with the English footballers only weeks after criticising them for taking an anti-racist stance. |  |
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| Emma Raducanu on 12:21 - Sep 10 with 1036 views | J2BLUE |
| Emma Raducanu on 12:14 - Sep 10 by Swansea_Blue |
Quite right on the first 2 paras. But the 3rd is the OP's whole point - you won't see most people grumble about her heritage. That's the hypocrisy. The press certainly (and maybe establishment figures, but I don't know who you mean) who've been openly xenophobic and even racist in other contexts will happily ride off the back of the feelgood factor from her success. Just as they did with the English footballers only weeks after criticising them for taking an anti-racist stance. |
Clearly that's not his point as he said it would hurt them just after she reached the final when you say they should be enjoying her success and waiting to turn on her when she's not achieving good things. | |
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| Emma Raducanu on 12:25 - Sep 10 with 1015 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Emma Raducanu on 12:10 - Sep 10 by Tangledupin_Blue |
What is wrong with that last sentence? Noggin is clearly having a pop at racists. And there are several respondents criticising him for it.
As for your second paragraph... Are you criticising him on this thread because of something he said a long time ago on an unrelated matter or purely on the merits of his comments here and now? |
I think a lot of people have completely missed the point, even if it was an inflammatory one. Our political landscape has been shaped over recent years largely off the back of demonising immigrants and refugees. Large numbers of people have supported, and continue to support, the people who've benefited from this anti-immigrant stance. Yet I expect very few would not celebrate Emma's successes (rightly so too). It certainly seems like there's some hypocrisy. Hopefully the success of people like Emma will remind people that immigration is a force for good, not something to be frightened of. | |
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| Emma Raducanu on 12:28 - Sep 10 with 994 views | Darth_Koont |
| Emma Raducanu on 12:00 - Sep 10 by HighgateBlue |
That's true. I agree.
But the OP was not a celebration of Emma's contribution or immigrants' contributions. It was having a go at a group of people instead. And I've genuinely not seen /anyone/ grumble about her race or background. |
Some will. But that’s not what noggin was getting at.
There’s an inherent hypocrisy for a lot of the anti-immigration reactionary right and their media in claiming Raducanu as our own and British because of her achievements. Because they certainly wouldn’t do that for 99.99% of people with her personal history outside of tennis. |  |
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| Emma Raducanu on 12:32 - Sep 10 with 975 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Emma Raducanu on 12:21 - Sep 10 by J2BLUE |
Clearly that's not his point as he said it would hurt them just after she reached the final when you say they should be enjoying her success and waiting to turn on her when she's not achieving good things. |
I haven't mentioned that anyone is waiting to turn on her. That may well happen in time of course, as the press do like a hero to zero story. They'll do that to anyone though irrespective of their background. | |
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| Emma Raducanu on 12:35 - Sep 10 with 965 views | J2BLUE |
| Emma Raducanu on 12:32 - Sep 10 by Swansea_Blue |
I haven't mentioned that anyone is waiting to turn on her. That may well happen in time of course, as the press do like a hero to zero story. They'll do that to anyone though irrespective of their background. |
You said: But the 3rd is the OP's whole point - you won't see most people grumble about her heritage. That's the hypocrisy.
The OP said her getting to the final will hurt some people.
So that's not his point at all is it? | |
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| Emma Raducanu on 12:39 - Sep 10 with 940 views | jaykay |
| Emma Raducanu on 12:05 - Sep 10 by Digger77 |
Ah yeah, the slap and tickle remark. Well remembered. |
ahh yeah for someone who has only been posting since july , funny how you remember a remark from 2015. what was your name in 2015 |  |
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| Emma Raducanu on 12:39 - Sep 10 with 938 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Emma Raducanu on 12:25 - Sep 10 by Swansea_Blue |
I think a lot of people have completely missed the point, even if it was an inflammatory one. Our political landscape has been shaped over recent years largely off the back of demonising immigrants and refugees. Large numbers of people have supported, and continue to support, the people who've benefited from this anti-immigrant stance. Yet I expect very few would not celebrate Emma's successes (rightly so too). It certainly seems like there's some hypocrisy. Hopefully the success of people like Emma will remind people that immigration is a force for good, not something to be frightened of. |
I think we are pretty well on the same page.
BTW, I am not usually interested in tennis, a great game to play but utterly boring to watch. Ms Raducanu's rise, however, has been phenomenal and meteoric. Win or lose the final, she has brought great credit on herself and has represented her country with grace and panache. | |
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| Emma Raducanu on 12:45 - Sep 10 with 919 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Emma Raducanu on 12:35 - Sep 10 by J2BLUE |
You said: But the 3rd is the OP's whole point - you won't see most people grumble about her heritage. That's the hypocrisy.
The OP said her getting to the final will hurt some people.
So that's not his point at all is it? |
Dunno. I assume Noggin wasn't deliberately referring specifically the final, just that she's doing well and getting praise.
You'd have to ask Noggers, but it seems like he's done a runner! [Post edited 10 Sep 2021 12:45]
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| Emma Raducanu on 12:50 - Sep 10 with 902 views | solomon |
| Emma Raducanu on 06:42 - Sep 10 by N2_Blue |
Ahem. At least get it right Nogs!....Romanian father.
Clue should be in her surname, about as Romanian as you can get.
She's a remarkable young woman, and her parents should take a lot of credit as she seems so grounded and humble. |
Also playing in the colours of Romania in New York. |  | | |
| I wouldn't expect it to wind you up..... on 12:56 - Sep 10 with 876 views | Bloots |
| Nah, Noggin's observation is..... on 11:09 - Sep 10 by Darth_Koont |
The OP doesn’t wind me up in the slightest. Then again I’ve never agreed with the political persuasion or tacitly supported it by letting it slide.
You’re getting into “bad people on both sides” territory. Noggin’s one of the good guys and if more people had called out the gammonista nonsense earlier (including the likes of Paz) then we’d have a damn sight less divisiveness. |
....you aren't his target audience.
In fact there is very little of his target audience left on this board thankfully.
That's what makes the original post so pointless.
"Calling out" beliefs that you don't agree with certainly doesn't result in less divisiveness, as we have seen on here in the past.
The only way to see less divisiveness is for people to accept that others may have different opinions and world views than you do.
A lot of people preach "peace, love and harmony" purely on the basis that it is achieved in line with their own world view, and anyone that disagrees with them can fook off. [Post edited 10 Sep 2021 13:00]
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| Emma Raducanu on 13:14 - Sep 10 with 831 views | Ryorry |
| Emma Raducanu on 12:10 - Sep 10 by Tangledupin_Blue |
What is wrong with that last sentence? Noggin is clearly having a pop at racists. And there are several respondents criticising him for it.
As for your second paragraph... Are you criticising him on this thread because of something he said a long time ago on an unrelated matter or purely on the merits of his comments here and now? |
What was wrong with your last sentence for me was
"Those who are criticising him are, perhaps, not far removed from those who boo England's footballers for taking the knee."
Bang out of order to equate the two, imho - quite offensive in fact. I'm critical of Noggin for his OP, tho in the past I've almost always been in agreement with him & enjoyed his posts; but I fully support & applaud footballers taking the knee. Pretty sure there are several others on this thread also holding both those views. |  |
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| I wouldn't expect it to wind you up..... on 13:18 - Sep 10 with 809 views | Darth_Koont |
| I wouldn't expect it to wind you up..... on 12:56 - Sep 10 by Bloots |
....you aren't his target audience.
In fact there is very little of his target audience left on this board thankfully.
That's what makes the original post so pointless.
"Calling out" beliefs that you don't agree with certainly doesn't result in less divisiveness, as we have seen on here in the past.
The only way to see less divisiveness is for people to accept that others may have different opinions and world views than you do.
A lot of people preach "peace, love and harmony" purely on the basis that it is achieved in line with their own world view, and anyone that disagrees with them can fook off. [Post edited 10 Sep 2021 13:00]
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If it’s just the Centrist Dad Tone Police getting agitated then there aren’t any victims here.
Amazed that noggin’s comment has created such a backlash supposedly on others’ behalf. | |
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| Emma Raducanu on 13:27 - Sep 10 with 776 views | blueasfook |
Go check how racist Hungarians are first. |  |
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| The only "backlash"...... on 13:28 - Sep 10 with 770 views | Bloots |
| I wouldn't expect it to wind you up..... on 13:18 - Sep 10 by Darth_Koont |
If it’s just the Centrist Dad Tone Police getting agitated then there aren’t any victims here.
Amazed that noggin’s comment has created such a backlash supposedly on others’ behalf. |
....certainly from my perspective is just the quite obvious intention of it.
You're quite happy with it because you think it's annoying "the right" and also now "the centrists". Essentially anyone that doesn't share the same views as you.
QED.
Pointless.
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| Nah, Noggin's observation is..... on 13:32 - Sep 10 with 758 views | noggin |
| Nah, Noggin's observation is..... on 09:40 - Sep 10 by Bloots |
....very similar to the type of post Paz used to make.
Entirely designed to wind up people of a certain political persuasion, without being overtly abusive.
Sending the forum down a winding divisive road while he sits back and watches.
All a bit unnecessary really. |
If you mean to wind up racists, then yes, I hold my hands up. If not, which political persuasion do you mean? [Post edited 10 Sep 2021 13:33]
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| The only "backlash"...... on 13:35 - Sep 10 with 729 views | J2BLUE |
| The only "backlash"...... on 13:28 - Sep 10 by Bloots |
....certainly from my perspective is just the quite obvious intention of it.
You're quite happy with it because you think it's annoying "the right" and also now "the centrists". Essentially anyone that doesn't share the same views as you.
QED.
Pointless.
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Spot on again.
Precisely what one wise poster was saying a few weeks ago when it all kicked off. | |
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| Emma Raducanu on 13:37 - Sep 10 with 724 views | leitrimblue |
| Emma Raducanu on 11:48 - Sep 10 by Tangledupin_Blue |
I don't see why people are having such a pop at Noggin in this thread. We British (perhaps English) have, for as long as I can remember, had an ambivalent attitude regarding the provenance of those who represent us in sport. Zola Budd, Greg Rusedski, Graeme Hick are examples. There was disapproving harrumphing directed at Mo Farah. And there is still outright racism directed at our black footballers born in this country.
It appears to me that Noggin is having a gentle swipe at the racists. Those who are criticising him are, perhaps, not far removed from those who boo England's footballers for taking the knee. |
Spot on, especially last paragraph. For me it's the blatant hypocrisy of those calling to 'turn back the boats' or claiming that those wishing for racial an social equality are some form of crazy Marxists. While refusing to mention the endless positive aspects of immigration into the country. If you look at the bigger picture we are a country of immigrants living on a small island populated originally by European Hunter gatherer groups. Then added to by the large scale movement of Neolithic an Bronze age groups into the UK who were also descended from European Hunter gather groups an then by small iron age tribes based around Belgium, Holland an Germany, who were also descended from European Hunter gatherer groups and so on. |  | | |
| I wouldn't expect it to wind you up..... on 13:37 - Sep 10 with 723 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| I wouldn't expect it to wind you up..... on 12:56 - Sep 10 by Bloots |
....you aren't his target audience.
In fact there is very little of his target audience left on this board thankfully.
That's what makes the original post so pointless.
"Calling out" beliefs that you don't agree with certainly doesn't result in less divisiveness, as we have seen on here in the past.
The only way to see less divisiveness is for people to accept that others may have different opinions and world views than you do.
A lot of people preach "peace, love and harmony" purely on the basis that it is achieved in line with their own world view, and anyone that disagrees with them can fook off. [Post edited 10 Sep 2021 13:00]
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Just the anti-battenbergers to get rid of now I think.... |  |
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