| Who is our most important player? 18:31 - Nov 4 with 3608 views | TractorFrog |
Or to put the question another way, if Cook were to tell us tomorrow that one player from the squad had suffered a terrible injury and would be out for the season, who would you be most anxiously hoping it was not? I think our best player this season has definitely been Macauley Bonne, but I wouldn't pick him as the most important as I also rate Joe Pigott very highly and think he could replace Bonne and the team wouldn't drop in quality by much. Similarly, Burns, Celina and Chaplin aren't a huge amount better than Aluko, Fraser and Edwards, and Donacien isn't a huge amount better than Vincent-Young. For me, the player we would most miss would be Sam Morsy, as he is the most important part of the team and we improved massively when he joined. He would be my pick, and he also plays a role as club captain. Second would probably be George Edmundson, as I think we would struggle defensively without him. What do you think? |  |
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| Who is our most important player? on 09:02 - Nov 5 with 1261 views | Swansea_Blue |
I'm surprised Bonne has been dismissed and ignored. Not only a top player, but take his goals and workrate from the front away and we'd be in a much worse position. It's no coincidence we did well under Mick when we had Murph and then Waghorn firing, yet we were abjectly average without a top goalscorer. It's been the same ever since we've been in L1 too. |  |
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| Who is our most important player? on 09:02 - Nov 5 with 1265 views | SomethingBlue |
It's Morsy, because we have nobody comparable, but I also like the Walton shout. Those two have transformed the spine of this side. The difference is clear. |  |
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| Who is our most important player? on 09:13 - Nov 5 with 1246 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Who is our most important player? on 09:02 - Nov 5 by SomethingBlue |
It's Morsy, because we have nobody comparable, but I also like the Walton shout. Those two have transformed the spine of this side. The difference is clear. |
So many games earlier in the season that we would have won from a draw or drawn from a loss with Walton in the side for me. Wimbledon, Cambridge, MK Dons, Accrington off the top of my head. And they are just obvious Hladky errors, not taking into account the effect of having that presence behind the back 4 and the confidence that could bring. He really was abysmal for a large chunk. [Post edited 5 Nov 2021 9:15]
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| Who is our most important player? on 09:20 - Nov 5 with 1233 views | SomethingBlue |
| Who is our most important player? on 09:13 - Nov 5 by tractorboy1978 |
So many games earlier in the season that we would have won from a draw or drawn from a loss with Walton in the side for me. Wimbledon, Cambridge, MK Dons, Accrington off the top of my head. And they are just obvious Hladky errors, not taking into account the effect of having that presence behind the back 4 and the confidence that could bring. He really was abysmal for a large chunk. [Post edited 5 Nov 2021 9:15]
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Yes, feel a bit sorry for Hladky because all departments of our new side were settling down but it's in his position that you feel it the most. Very hard for him to get back in now. Walton has a real sense of authority and distributes intelligently too. Early days but I think he's an absolutely top keeper for this level and will win us points — as he arguably did on Tuesday. | |
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| Who is our most important player? on 11:26 - Nov 5 with 1163 views | CrockerITFC |
For me it's a toss-up between Morsy and Burns. Shout out to Donacien though, he's been superb since coming back |  | | |
| Who is our most important player? on 11:39 - Nov 5 with 1159 views | Wickets |
| Who is our most important player? on 18:38 - Nov 4 by LeBlue |
Morsy. 100%.
Second for me would be Walton, seems to instill a lot more belief than H or H.
I’m pretty confident everyone else seem to have a more than able deputy, even if playing out of position eg Burgess on Tuesday who I thought was excellent. |
Yes i agree on all three points . |  | | |
| Edmundsen is the key in defence on 11:48 - Nov 5 with 1156 views | Dyland |
| Who is our most important player? on 23:43 - Nov 4 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Some people won't admit though how wrong they were in scapegoating him in the last couple of years. He is the key in our defence and absolutely monumental for us.
He's merely undroppable. No wonder Cook regards him as a one of the better CB's in this league. |
Lose any of these players and we immediately don't look as strong (in terms of backup)...
Morsy, Walton, Edmundsen... in that order.
Big fan of Toto, but just because some vocal numpties have castigated him unfairly doesn't mean he's the new lynch pin of our defence. Imo Edmundsen is more important to the team.
Saying that, I love an excuse to scoff at fans who don't know sh1t but shout a lot. Some on here slagging off Dozzell saying how sh1te he is. We'll probably have the last laugh.
Not such a fan of endless unnamed digs at ex players such as Chambers and Skuse but hey ho, we will never agree on that one :) |  |
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| Who is our most important player? on 11:49 - Nov 5 with 1153 views | Dyland |
| Who is our most important player? on 08:56 - Nov 5 by Herbivore |
He's our best skipper since Chambo, no question. |
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| Edmundsen is the key in defence on 12:58 - Nov 5 with 1126 views | Keaneish |
| Edmundsen is the key in defence on 11:48 - Nov 5 by Dyland |
Lose any of these players and we immediately don't look as strong (in terms of backup)...
Morsy, Walton, Edmundsen... in that order.
Big fan of Toto, but just because some vocal numpties have castigated him unfairly doesn't mean he's the new lynch pin of our defence. Imo Edmundsen is more important to the team.
Saying that, I love an excuse to scoff at fans who don't know sh1t but shout a lot. Some on here slagging off Dozzell saying how sh1te he is. We'll probably have the last laugh.
Not such a fan of endless unnamed digs at ex players such as Chambers and Skuse but hey ho, we will never agree on that one :) |
Agree with that list of three but let's also agree that Toto is the worst passer of a football to ever play for this football club.
I'll also have a wager with you as i've said before, that Dozzell will not achieve the heights some anticipate of him. |  |
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| Who is our most important player? on 13:00 - Nov 5 with 1122 views | itfc_bucks |
| Who is our most important player? on 09:00 - Nov 5 by Herbivore |
When he signed I remember it being reported that he referred being on the left despite being right footed and he's definitely looked much better on that side. Still think him on the left and Woolf on the right has a lot of potential as a CB pairing but I don't think Cook rates Woolf at all. [Post edited 5 Nov 2021 9:12]
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agreed, I think Woolfie might be done here. | | | |
| Who is our most important player? on 13:02 - Nov 5 with 1119 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Who is our most important player? on 23:43 - Nov 4 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Some people won't admit though how wrong they were in scapegoating him in the last couple of years. He is the key in our defence and absolutely monumental for us.
He's merely undroppable. No wonder Cook regards him as a one of the better CB's in this league. |
He was in the L1 team of the year wasn't he for Shrewsbury? Which is voted for by other managers.
He's rash at times, which will cost us, but a steady influence of Edmundson alongside is definitely helping him. |  | | |
| Who is our most important player? on 13:27 - Nov 5 with 1097 views | Keaneish |
| Who is our most important player? on 23:43 - Nov 4 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Some people won't admit though how wrong they were in scapegoating him in the last couple of years. He is the key in our defence and absolutely monumental for us.
He's merely undroppable. No wonder Cook regards him as a one of the better CB's in this league. |
No apologies my side. His ability to defend has never really been the question, it’s the rest of his game that lets him down. That being said, centre of defence is about partnerships and there’s definitely one developing with Edmunson. | |
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| Who is our most important player? on 13:43 - Nov 5 with 1086 views | Strimmer |
The answer is Morsy and the only question is how important he will grow to be. Having a captain like Sam, brilliant player with huge influence on and off the pitch, the benefit just grows and grows over time. The effects are cumulative and I really hope we have him for a number of years to see them emerge. | |
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| Who is our most important player? on 15:06 - Nov 5 with 1044 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Who is our most important player? on 13:27 - Nov 5 by Keaneish |
No apologies my side. His ability to defend has never really been the question, it’s the rest of his game that lets him down. That being said, centre of defence is about partnerships and there’s definitely one developing with Edmunson. |
It's not necessarily Edmundson's partnership that helps him out because he was fine for us in the combo with Wilson last season. That combo was the reason that we didn't concede many. Take him out of the team and we'd witness some horror defensive performances from other players. Swindon or Sunderland at home and the manner in which we conceded goals........no challenges, the opposition strikers having had a freedom of our box.
People saying that Toto gave away three penalties. So what? At least he was making those challenges and last gasp blocks unlike others. He's been scrutinized by some for every single kick whereas Woolfenden who was terrible last season was treated differently. Just because the latter is homegrown product so he got away with poor performances.
No wonder we won 3 out of 4 with Toto in defence and we're much better with him in the team. [Post edited 5 Nov 2021 15:06]
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| Who is our most important player? on 15:26 - Nov 5 with 1036 views | ArnieM |
| Who is our most important player? on 15:06 - Nov 5 by Mach_foreignBlue |
It's not necessarily Edmundson's partnership that helps him out because he was fine for us in the combo with Wilson last season. That combo was the reason that we didn't concede many. Take him out of the team and we'd witness some horror defensive performances from other players. Swindon or Sunderland at home and the manner in which we conceded goals........no challenges, the opposition strikers having had a freedom of our box.
People saying that Toto gave away three penalties. So what? At least he was making those challenges and last gasp blocks unlike others. He's been scrutinized by some for every single kick whereas Woolfenden who was terrible last season was treated differently. Just because the latter is homegrown product so he got away with poor performances.
No wonder we won 3 out of 4 with Toto in defence and we're much better with him in the team. [Post edited 5 Nov 2021 15:06]
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| Who is our most important player? on 15:32 - Nov 5 with 1023 views | tractordownsouth |
Top 5 in order
Morsy - As others have said, nobody like him
Walton - Big upgrade on Hladky and Holy
Bonne - Best goals per 90 in the league
Edmundson - Defence has improved massively since he's come in
Burns - End product is better than our other wingers and much more direct
(That would also make quite a nice 5 a side team) [Post edited 5 Nov 2021 15:35]
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| Who is our most important player? on 16:24 - Nov 5 with 993 views | acj |
| Who is our most important player? on 15:32 - Nov 5 by tractordownsouth |
Top 5 in order
Morsy - As others have said, nobody like him
Walton - Big upgrade on Hladky and Holy
Bonne - Best goals per 90 in the league
Edmundson - Defence has improved massively since he's come in
Burns - End product is better than our other wingers and much more direct
(That would also make quite a nice 5 a side team) [Post edited 5 Nov 2021 15:35]
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Hladky, Celina, Woolf, Edwards + El Miz.
Reckon my 5-a-side team would beat yours, although I agree with your 5 and the order for who’d be the biggest miss to our first team. Morsy is an absolute beast in the middle, exactly what we’ve been missing for years! |  |
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| Who is our most important player? on 16:39 - Nov 5 with 977 views | SamWhiteUK |
I'm very conflicted as to how to feel reading this thread, whether I should be happy that we have so many quality players, or worried that we deem a lot of players to be a 'big miss' should they be out.
Morsy for me, but it's close with Walton. |  | | |
| Who is our most important player? on 16:53 - Nov 5 with 970 views | tractordownsouth |
| Who is our most important player? on 16:24 - Nov 5 by acj |
Hladky, Celina, Woolf, Edwards + El Miz.
Reckon my 5-a-side team would beat yours, although I agree with your 5 and the order for who’d be the biggest miss to our first team. Morsy is an absolute beast in the middle, exactly what we’ve been missing for years! |
If I were picking one based purely on suitability for 5 a side it would probably be this:
Walton Woolfenden Morsy Celina Chaplin | |
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| Who is our most important player? on 17:17 - Nov 5 with 955 views | acj |
| Who is our most important player? on 16:53 - Nov 5 by tractordownsouth |
If I were picking one based purely on suitability for 5 a side it would probably be this:
Walton Woolfenden Morsy Celina Chaplin |
Haha, think I’d have the same but with Edwards for Chaplin. Went with Hladky and El Miz just cos Walton and Morsy were on your list of 5 that they’d be playing against. | |
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| Edmundsen is the key in defence on 20:11 - Nov 5 with 908 views | Dyland |
| Edmundsen is the key in defence on 12:58 - Nov 5 by Keaneish |
Agree with that list of three but let's also agree that Toto is the worst passer of a football to ever play for this football club.
I'll also have a wager with you as i've said before, that Dozzell will not achieve the heights some anticipate of him. |
Heh... not sure he's the worst, but I get the point.
Wasn't thinking of you specifically about Dozzell, and "not achieving the heights some anticipate of him" is fair but so unspecific as to be impossible to argue with :) Point I was making was some said he was hopeless, a 'fraud' even. He's performing well a league above us. | |
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| Edmundsen is the key in defence on 22:37 - Nov 5 with 877 views | Keaneish |
| Edmundsen is the key in defence on 20:11 - Nov 5 by Dyland |
Heh... not sure he's the worst, but I get the point.
Wasn't thinking of you specifically about Dozzell, and "not achieving the heights some anticipate of him" is fair but so unspecific as to be impossible to argue with :) Point I was making was some said he was hopeless, a 'fraud' even. He's performing well a league above us. |
Fair regarding Dozzell. I’m struggling to think of a worse passer that Toto. Open to the forum to input. While Toto’s passing is a common laugh in the stands, it is actually a cause for concern. He’s got three passes in his locker and a third of those squanders possession and sometimes in areas that aren’t good. | |
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| Who is our most important player? on 07:03 - Nov 6 with 826 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
100% agree that Morsy is our most important player. About 15 minutes into his debut for us I commented on here that he was brilliant and just what we had been missing. I've been ponderiing who he most resembles, and I keep coming back to comparisons with Roy Keane. I guess Sir Alex knew a thing or two about building a successful team. |  |
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| Who is our most important player? on 07:31 - Nov 6 with 815 views | BlueBoots |
Morsy - just as much for how he drives on the other players as the job he does himself on the pitch.
Bonne - just as much for the way he feels about playing for the club seems to be rubbing off on the other players as the goals (and job he does on the pitch). |  |
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| Who is our most important player? on 07:39 - Nov 6 with 806 views | bluestandard |
| Who is our most important player? on 09:02 - Nov 5 by Swansea_Blue |
I'm surprised Bonne has been dismissed and ignored. Not only a top player, but take his goals and workrate from the front away and we'd be in a much worse position. It's no coincidence we did well under Mick when we had Murph and then Waghorn firing, yet we were abjectly average without a top goalscorer. It's been the same ever since we've been in L1 too. |
Absolutely! Can’t believe that Bonne wasn’t mentioned earlier in the thread. We’ve lacked a genuine goalscorer for so long. Bonne for me would be top. He was the first one to fire and nail his place in the side and we’d be nowhere without him. | | | |
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