| If it takes another year then I am fine with that 10:31 - Nov 24 with 2249 views | kizaitfc |
If it means we get it right and continue creating a more stable club then would another year really hurt that much.
In a way I would rather we do that then go out and panic buy/loan players in January to try and force a way up and then end up throwing cash down the drain.
This was always going to be tough to change a whole squad, some signings are looking like masterstrokes others are leaving a lot to be desired despite their hype.
I have full confidence Cook will get it right, I love his style of football but unfortunately it requires the right players that suit the system which I am not sure we have yet. |  |
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| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:31 - Nov 24 with 633 views | Romeo4 |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:26 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
The club may be in a better place, but that merely serves to highlight what a mess Cook is making of it on the pitch. We're 13th in League 1, ffs. That's worse than it was under Lambert at any point, and he was working under Evans and his chronic lack of investment in the club. |
Don’t get me wrong, I’m gutted that we sit where we do currently. My hopes and expectations were much higher. I guess I’m just willing to accept that throwing 19 new players and a whole new coaching team at it may result in it taking a bit longer to bed in than I’d first hoped. |  | | |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:33 - Nov 24 with 628 views | jayessess |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:23 - Nov 24 by Guthrum |
Because then it would have been a settled squad who had been drilling together for a year, rather than a team who were assembled less than three months ago.
Also, we would not have the faltering start to the season hanging around our necks. Fan morale would be quite different if we had even another four or five points and be right on the cusp of the playoffs, rather than sliding between 9th and 13th.
Plus changing manager, as we know all too well, is by no means a magic wand.
Not saying that's enough justification by itself to hang onto Cook (we need to show continual improvement, ironing out problems), just expressing how it's not an illogical position. |
I think the idea that teams are usually better after 12 months together than 3 months, feels true intuitively but is unproven. Most Ipswich teams I've watched didn't follow such a pattern, they usually hit a level after a few months, then vacillated around that level.
We wouldn't have a faltering start around our necks, we'd start with a whole faltering season around our necks. I can't see how that's better. [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 11:35]
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| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:34 - Nov 24 with 625 views | blueboyd |
YOU ABSOLUTE MELT. | | | |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:35 - Nov 24 with 616 views | N2_Blue |
Open your eyes?
Seriously how can you have full confidence in Cook based on his 30+games thus far. What makes you think it will change? There is being optimistic and then there is being blind to what is in front of you. You are the latter.
If you think he doesn't have the right players for his sytem after signing 19 players some on very good wages, I'd say that is a sackable offence on it's own. That is pi ss poor management. |  |
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| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:36 - Nov 24 with 609 views | J2BLUE |
People have been saying this for about a decade now. when does next year come? |  |
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| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:37 - Nov 24 with 602 views | hype313 |
"I have full confidence Cook will get it right, I love his style of football"
I fail to see how you have come to this conclusion, and how is his style good? we didn't have a shot on target until the 93rd minute. |  |
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| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:38 - Nov 24 with 601 views | Guthrum |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:33 - Nov 24 by jayessess |
I think the idea that teams are usually better after 12 months together than 3 months, feels true intuitively but is unproven. Most Ipswich teams I've watched didn't follow such a pattern, they usually hit a level after a few months, then vacillated around that level.
We wouldn't have a faltering start around our necks, we'd start with a whole faltering season around our necks. I can't see how that's better. [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 11:35]
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On the latter point, it wouldn't drag our current points total down, giving an extra hill to climb in order to have a chance of promotion.
Most Ipswich teams have not been rebuilt to anything like the degree we saw over the summer. It's easier to integrate a handful of individuals into an existing framework than to pretty much rebuild from scratch. Things didn't exactly go well with Hurst's replacing of key squad members with new recruits. |  |
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| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:47 - Nov 24 with 566 views | jayessess |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:38 - Nov 24 by Guthrum |
On the latter point, it wouldn't drag our current points total down, giving an extra hill to climb in order to have a chance of promotion.
Most Ipswich teams have not been rebuilt to anything like the degree we saw over the summer. It's easier to integrate a handful of individuals into an existing framework than to pretty much rebuild from scratch. Things didn't exactly go well with Hurst's replacing of key squad members with new recruits. |
No, but it would make the club a miserable place to be during the summer, dampen enthusiasm for the new season and mean players and manager would be under immediate pressure to deliver. Starting a season with zero credit in the back (in fact a season worth of debits) is a much more difficult situation than overcoming a bad patch.
Hurst's team didn't improve over time, did they? | |
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| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:47 - Nov 24 with 566 views | urbanblue |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:38 - Nov 24 by Guthrum |
On the latter point, it wouldn't drag our current points total down, giving an extra hill to climb in order to have a chance of promotion.
Most Ipswich teams have not been rebuilt to anything like the degree we saw over the summer. It's easier to integrate a handful of individuals into an existing framework than to pretty much rebuild from scratch. Things didn't exactly go well with Hurst's replacing of key squad members with new recruits. |
Indeed, it occurred to me last night that we may well have too many choices, certainly in forward positions, and Cook still has no firm idea of his preferred line up.
The paradox of choice ... |  | | |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:49 - Nov 24 with 559 views | Herbivore |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:31 - Nov 24 by Romeo4 |
Don’t get me wrong, I’m gutted that we sit where we do currently. My hopes and expectations were much higher. I guess I’m just willing to accept that throwing 19 new players and a whole new coaching team at it may result in it taking a bit longer to bed in than I’d first hoped. |
Cook chose to make all those changes, in fairness he gave himself no room for manoeuvre by blaming his poor results last season entirely on the players, so I have limited sympathy for that argument. And other sides have had comparable levels of signings come into their squad and not done so horrifically badly, and they've achieved that with a fraction of the budget Cook has had to work with. There's no excuse for us doing this badly and it's been like this since day 1 under Cook. |  |
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| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:56 - Nov 24 with 550 views | clive_baker |
His 'style of football' seems somewhat contradicted at the moment. My understanding was that he liked to play this 4-2-3-1 with the wide men tucking in, and his full backs bombing on. It's a system that relies so much on that, yet he's got Clements and Donacien in those key roles, 2 players who for different reasons can't really be expected to do that. I like Janoi, but he's for me more of a safe pair of hands in a 4-4-2 type guy than someone I expect to see making overlapping runs and delivering good balls into the box.
From a recruitment perspective, he didn't sign a right back among his 19 additions, and signed 2 left backs, yet has relied on a rookie for 2 of our biggest games of the season in quick succession.
Last night was all too predictable. Rotherham pressed high up the pitch, cut off the easy balls into Morsy and left our back resorting to pumping balls to an isolated Bonne who had a thankless task. OK, it's one thing knowing what Rotherham are going to do and another doing anything about it, but it really was like watching Lambert cluelessly watching on. We might as well have gone 4-4-2 at half time and started hitting Pigott with long balls and Bonne off him. |  |
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| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:56 - Nov 24 with 548 views | Lightworker |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:31 - Nov 24 by Romeo4 |
Don’t get me wrong, I’m gutted that we sit where we do currently. My hopes and expectations were much higher. I guess I’m just willing to accept that throwing 19 new players and a whole new coaching team at it may result in it taking a bit longer to bed in than I’d first hoped. |
But we didn't have to sign 19 new players, that was Cook's choice so the fact it has taken so long for them to bed in is also down to him. in fact I don't think they have even bedded in yet as we still don't look like a coherent team.
Did we need to let Wilson go on a free and then spunk £750,000 on Burgess? No. Where we are at this point is completely on cook, he has failed and he needs to be sacked yesterday. |  | | |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 12:00 - Nov 24 with 529 views | Guthrum |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 11:47 - Nov 24 by jayessess |
No, but it would make the club a miserable place to be during the summer, dampen enthusiasm for the new season and mean players and manager would be under immediate pressure to deliver. Starting a season with zero credit in the back (in fact a season worth of debits) is a much more difficult situation than overcoming a bad patch.
Hurst's team didn't improve over time, did they? |
With the best will in the world (and considering we were a division higher) they weren't of the same relative calibre as our summer recruits. Plus I don't think Hurst had the capacity to do that. Not yet sure Cook has, either, but at least results have improved somewhat.
With the division as tight at the top as it's proving this season, our poor start could be a real handicap in overhauling those teams who have managed to sustain decent form from the outset. Plus, if the necessary progress has been shown, it would still result in, at worst, only just missing out on the playoffs, possibly getting in failing to win them. Having something clear to build upon. That would not be the dampener you are suggesting.
If we limped to mid-table, then that would be nowhere near enough demonstrable progress to justify keeping the manager on for another season, anyway. | |
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| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 12:35 - Nov 24 with 501 views | blueconscience |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 10:49 - Nov 24 by slade1 |
How many more seasons are we going to say "give it another year?" [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 11:06]
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I think 27 more seasons |  |
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| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 16:02 - Nov 24 with 464 views | istanblue |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 10:36 - Nov 24 by BlueBadger |
We will lose a substantial chunk of these players in summer should we(as looks increasingly likely) fail to go up and be looking at yet another major rebuild.
The first phase of Gamechanger's log term project is, ironically, 'get promoted ASAP'.
Also: 'it requires the right kind of players'.
Cook inherited a whole squad of the wrong sort. Now, it would appear he's brought in another 19 of the wrong sort.
I wonder if we're looking in the wrong place for where we need the 'right sort'. [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 12:40]
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Yeah, but the football's better though. |  | | |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 17:12 - Nov 24 with 434 views | TheBlueGnu |
Yeah, but this is IPSWICH don't forget. | |
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| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 17:26 - Nov 24 with 415 views | chrismakin |
Problem there is we could lose thousands of fans again from failure this season.
Alot have returned with hope
If we fail again and PC is still here next season.. why would you bother? |  |
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| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 17:43 - Nov 24 with 402 views | HARRY10 |
"They also seem to be happy with just getting to the championship and if they get to the premiership that will be a bonus."
Why would that be ?
Apart from the extra TV money in the Championship, what benefit to our backers would that bring ? That TV money would be swallowed up in improving the squad/wages etc.... and then some. For us, it would of course be better, but is the money merely that of a a local who wants to see his club do well.
Show me a club in the Championship who regularly turns a profit. Hot the PL and unless you are prepared to get into hideous debt you end up like the budgies, coming straght back down. Even those who do get into debt often come back down - Fulham, West Brom, B'mouth, Sheff Utd.
The only way I can see a club making money to cover the cost of any investment, and to hand over a return as well is by player trading. Hoping to unearth the odd nugget who will move on at a very healthy profit.
Adam Webster.
I wonder who was in charge when Bristol City sold him. | | | |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 17:44 - Nov 24 with 400 views | Vaughan8 |
I can't believe anyone thinks this team is ready for a step up at the moment. We have the odd good game (thrashing) but apart from that, we actually aren't that good. I can't tell if its the players, the manager, the coaching or a mixture of it all. I'm guessing the latter.
People hyped this team up at the start of the season. Does Cook even know his best team? If it wasn't for Bonne scoring a load, i'm sure him and Piggot would be swapping nearly every game. | | | |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 18:13 - Nov 24 with 374 views | mrshallisfit |
| If it takes another year then I am fine with that on 12:35 - Nov 24 by blueconscience |
I think 27 more seasons |
F##k, what's happening in 2048? | | | |
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