| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... 11:00 - Nov 24 with 13580 views | itfcjoe |
.....the 'wasters' in the squad under a manager who had chucked the towel in had 50 points from 30 games.
In order for us to get to that same position, over the next 11 games we need the following record
P11 W8 D2 L1 Pts 26 |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:40 - Nov 24 with 1506 views | itfcjoe |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:38 - Nov 24 by N2_Blue |
Paul Cook's management has been worse than Lambert. Enough said, yet people still don't think he should be sacked.
Are you 'Cook out' yet Joe? I don't think there is anything left worth pursuing with him. I know some said give him December but it's not going to happen and I'd rather have a new man in with time to assess before the window.
He may think what he has is good enough and be able to get this squad playing in the way Cook can't |
I don't see the point in banging the drum, but I'd be making a change ASAP. No need to keep giving him more rope.
This season is as good as done, lets at least do something that can give us hope going into next year | |
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| Ha! "Gelling" (n/t) on 11:40 - Nov 24 with 1498 views | BlueBadger |
| Ha! "Gelling" (n/t) on 11:38 - Nov 24 by Bloots |
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I'm impressed that people are STILL running with this one.
I'm just surprised we didn't hear a 'He j*** g**s i*' and 'i******d m****h d*y *x******e' as well. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:41 - Nov 24 with 1492 views | BlueBadger |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:36 - Nov 24 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Delivered better? Spineless relegation and two bleak seasons in League One. Under three managers !
This squad has been together for 20 games but we are suffering because of the managers stubbornness and fixation with one system. |
So basically, Mick's teams were much better? [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 11:42]
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:41 - Nov 24 with 1493 views | Illinoisblue |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:38 - Nov 24 by N2_Blue |
Paul Cook's management has been worse than Lambert. Enough said, yet people still don't think he should be sacked.
Are you 'Cook out' yet Joe? I don't think there is anything left worth pursuing with him. I know some said give him December but it's not going to happen and I'd rather have a new man in with time to assess before the window.
He may think what he has is good enough and be able to get this squad playing in the way Cook can't |
I genuinely think Cook is performing worse than Hurst. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:43 - Nov 24 with 1475 views | leitrimblue |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:13 - Nov 24 by BlueBadger |
The previous squad was a mess of Hurst recruits, muddled Lambert thinking and a revolving door of loanees. Very few of them were here longer than two years.
And the ones that were, were generally our better performers.
And they were apparently not good enough.
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Who would you have kept from last year's squad Badge? |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:44 - Nov 24 with 1462 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:41 - Nov 24 by BlueBadger |
So basically, Mick's teams were much better? [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 11:42]
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Why do you mention him? He's left long time ago.
We are talking about the players/team that has been with the club for a long time until Cook got rid of. [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 11:47]
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:45 - Nov 24 with 1450 views | clive_baker |
I look forward to April when he'll tell them they're welcome to not bother joining him on the coach home after an away defeat and promise a summer of demolition. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:45 - Nov 24 with 1447 views | N2_Blue |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:40 - Nov 24 by itfcjoe |
I don't see the point in banging the drum, but I'd be making a change ASAP. No need to keep giving him more rope.
This season is as good as done, lets at least do something that can give us hope going into next year |
Agreed.
I think the PackoutPR campaign to should shift to having a new man for our support to get behind rather than having a full stadium get increasingly frustrated by a manager that is failing and has been heavily backed but shown precious little.
It's not just results but his stubbornness or in ability to change things when his preferred approach does not work. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:46 - Nov 24 with 1436 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:45 - Nov 24 by N2_Blue |
Agreed.
I think the PackoutPR campaign to should shift to having a new man for our support to get behind rather than having a full stadium get increasingly frustrated by a manager that is failing and has been heavily backed but shown precious little.
It's not just results but his stubbornness or in ability to change things when his preferred approach does not work. |
'It's not just results but his stubbornness or in ability to change things when his preferred approach does not work'
Bang on ! | | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:47 - Nov 24 with 1424 views | Swansea_Blue |
Was it ever confirmed whether the new regime were involved in Cook's appointment? Might have a bearing on how patient they will be. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:48 - Nov 24 with 1414 views | Wacko |
This point should be made at the next fans forum |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:51 - Nov 24 with 1395 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:40 - Nov 24 by itfcjoe |
I don't see the point in banging the drum, but I'd be making a change ASAP. No need to keep giving him more rope.
This season is as good as done, lets at least do something that can give us hope going into next year |
I'm not sticking up for Cook and co but the season isnt done. Yes weve got work to do, but we haven't played half the games yet.
I remember this being said December time last year, then we were 6th in Feb time when no one thought we could make up the ground. If the seasons done we may as well pack up and stop watching matches, because what's the point?
We need a run of wins and others to start falling away. Will it be hard? yes, but not impossible |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:52 - Nov 24 with 1383 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:12 - Nov 24 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
No, that squad had been together since January
Are you seriously now suggesting we shouldn’t expect to be a higher in the table after 30 games this season though? [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 11:13]
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Nope, not suggesting that at all. I'm just suggesting the comparison isn't fair, like I said.
I was unaware we completed gutted our squad and replaced it in January. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:55 - Nov 24 with 1362 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:15 - Nov 24 by itfcjoe |
Give over |
I'm not defending Cook, he's cocked up. But how can you say "give over" when I've posted facts. The previous squad, many of the players had been at the club for years. This one is brand new. How on earth can you say otherwise? | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:56 - Nov 24 with 1357 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:14 - Nov 24 by Steve_M |
If you think that's the case then shouldn't Cook have got more out of them last season than he did? |
Yep. Where have I said otherwise? | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:00 - Nov 24 with 1327 views | N2_Blue |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:51 - Nov 24 by abracaDOBRA_ |
I'm not sticking up for Cook and co but the season isnt done. Yes weve got work to do, but we haven't played half the games yet.
I remember this being said December time last year, then we were 6th in Feb time when no one thought we could make up the ground. If the seasons done we may as well pack up and stop watching matches, because what's the point?
We need a run of wins and others to start falling away. Will it be hard? yes, but not impossible |
Too many of our fans still believe the season isn't done. The playoffs are gone. Sorry, not a chance.
We effectively need 2ppg for the rest of the season.
The season will be meaningless by January.
That is why I'm so angry and find Cook's performance indefensible. He needs to go. | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:00 - Nov 24 with 1325 views | itfcjoe |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:47 - Nov 24 by Swansea_Blue |
Was it ever confirmed whether the new regime were involved in Cook's appointment? Might have a bearing on how patient they will be. |
Phil and the EADT boys insist that the new regime weren't involved in it at all | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:00 - Nov 24 with 1322 views | jayessess |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:51 - Nov 24 by abracaDOBRA_ |
I'm not sticking up for Cook and co but the season isnt done. Yes weve got work to do, but we haven't played half the games yet.
I remember this being said December time last year, then we were 6th in Feb time when no one thought we could make up the ground. If the seasons done we may as well pack up and stop watching matches, because what's the point?
We need a run of wins and others to start falling away. Will it be hard? yes, but not impossible |
I mean, this group of players was predicted to win the league by pretty much every L1 pundit going. Unless they were all wrong then it's absolutely in them to rack up 60 points over 27 games.
But it seems very obvious that's definitely not going to happen with Cook in charge. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:03 - Nov 24 with 1297 views | Swansea_Blue |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:00 - Nov 24 by itfcjoe |
Phil and the EADT boys insist that the new regime weren't involved in it at all |
Ok, cheers. Maybe makes a change more likely, although they do seem to be fully behind him and prepared to be patient. | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:05 - Nov 24 with 1288 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:00 - Nov 24 by jayessess |
I mean, this group of players was predicted to win the league by pretty much every L1 pundit going. Unless they were all wrong then it's absolutely in them to rack up 60 points over 27 games.
But it seems very obvious that's definitely not going to happen with Cook in charge. |
All I'm saying is its doable and I think giving up on the season now is utterly depressing and I'm not ready to do that in November. A new manager could give us a bounce though | | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:45 - Nov 24 with 1212 views | BlueyandCrazy |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:05 - Nov 24 by abracaDOBRA_ |
All I'm saying is its doable and I think giving up on the season now is utterly depressing and I'm not ready to do that in November. A new manager could give us a bounce though |
Not sure losing to the league leaders is going to trigger a change of manager; and given the improvements before last night (including Sunderland, where unlucky to get nothing), surely the owners will give Cook at least the rest of the season.
Unless we have a diabolical run now, starting with Losing to Crewe just can’t see it.
Fans by nature are short termist; ie all desperate for promotion this year. Owners will be very disappointed if we don’t go up asap, but do they press reset now and chuck everything on this season per se, or do they let things run for now, taking a longer term view; and change if needed for next season | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:47 - Nov 24 with 1211 views | N2_Blue |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:05 - Nov 24 by abracaDOBRA_ |
All I'm saying is its doable and I think giving up on the season now is utterly depressing and I'm not ready to do that in November. A new manager could give us a bounce though |
Your last line exactly...it would give us hope especially as we go into "PackoutPR"
As it currently stands many of us have no hope. There is precious little showing under Cook.
Its constantly one step forward 2 back. We are closer to relegation than playoffs coming up to half way through season. That is unacceptable. | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:50 - Nov 24 with 1199 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:47 - Nov 24 by N2_Blue |
Your last line exactly...it would give us hope especially as we go into "PackoutPR"
As it currently stands many of us have no hope. There is precious little showing under Cook.
Its constantly one step forward 2 back. We are closer to relegation than playoffs coming up to half way through season. That is unacceptable. |
We're not closer to relegation than the playoffs. We're exactly 8 points away from both. | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:53 - Nov 24 with 1181 views | jayessess |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:45 - Nov 24 by BlueyandCrazy |
Not sure losing to the league leaders is going to trigger a change of manager; and given the improvements before last night (including Sunderland, where unlucky to get nothing), surely the owners will give Cook at least the rest of the season.
Unless we have a diabolical run now, starting with Losing to Crewe just can’t see it.
Fans by nature are short termist; ie all desperate for promotion this year. Owners will be very disappointed if we don’t go up asap, but do they press reset now and chuck everything on this season per se, or do they let things run for now, taking a longer term view; and change if needed for next season |
I don't think there's any "surely" here. We've no idea what the new owners are like when it comes to managerial change. He'd be on borrowed time with this form as most EFL clubs, no reason to imagine our lot are any more patient. | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:57 - Nov 24 with 1150 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:45 - Nov 24 by BlueyandCrazy |
Not sure losing to the league leaders is going to trigger a change of manager; and given the improvements before last night (including Sunderland, where unlucky to get nothing), surely the owners will give Cook at least the rest of the season.
Unless we have a diabolical run now, starting with Losing to Crewe just can’t see it.
Fans by nature are short termist; ie all desperate for promotion this year. Owners will be very disappointed if we don’t go up asap, but do they press reset now and chuck everything on this season per se, or do they let things run for now, taking a longer term view; and change if needed for next season |
I'm not even saying I want a new manager though, what would happen if he were getting the same results? We'd be back to square one with a manager managing a team he didn't put together. Maybe this will take longer than we thought it would. I have a feeling owners will be more patient than fans. | | | |
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