| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... 11:00 - Nov 24 with 13574 views | itfcjoe |
.....the 'wasters' in the squad under a manager who had chucked the towel in had 50 points from 30 games.
In order for us to get to that same position, over the next 11 games we need the following record
P11 W8 D2 L1 Pts 26 |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 13:07 - Nov 24 with 1818 views | Vic |
By inference Joe you are suggesting that last years squad was not that bad. Surely you would not argue that this squad is better than what we had last year, would you?
I take your point in general that Cook has not yet managed to get a new squad getting better results than the old one. but why the need to use ‘wasters’ in your heading? You know that I agree with you about the way the dismantling of that squad was handled! But it’s time to let the past go. Reality is that very few of those players have actually ripped up trees in this league or the league below so chances are they weren’t really up to the job of being part of a promotion pushing team. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 13:08 - Nov 24 with 1817 views | Parky |
It’s almost like you’re enjoying us not being where we want to be, so you can say you won the internet😴 |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 13:10 - Nov 24 with 1807 views | MattinLondon |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:52 - Nov 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Nope, not suggesting that at all. I'm just suggesting the comparison isn't fair, like I said.
I was unaware we completed gutted our squad and replaced it in January. |
Oh for crying out loud - they are professional footballers and they have an experienced manager and coaches in charge of them. They are not Sunday League players who meet up once a week for training before playing at the weekend with a hangover.
Tactics and style is ironed out and installed at the training ground complete with friendly preseason matches. They are professionals, they are a cut above the man-on-the-street, they have been in a footballing environment for years - the first few matches should have seen the ‘gelling’ process completed. Not for that to be offered as an excuse for 40% of the season.
If ‘gelling’ together is a valid reason then surly the answer is to change tactics and formation not to carry on simply because that’s the way he’s always managed. |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 13:56 - Nov 24 with 1700 views | timothyeo |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 13:08 - Nov 24 by Parky |
It’s almost like you’re enjoying us not being where we want to be, so you can say you won the internet😴 |
Or, perhaps he's a bit frustrated that he pointed out some (fairly obvious to some of us) flaws in Cook's management to date, got absolute dog's abuse for it (again god knows why) and when it's shown he actually has a clue what he's talking about and people like you don't, you try and claim some moral 'enjoying losing' rubbish to cover up the fact you don't actually have the faintest of football knowledge?
Just a thought. | | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:13 - Nov 24 with 1640 views | LeoMuff |
Pointless stat really, compare at seasons end. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:16 - Nov 24 with 1626 views | Parky |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 13:56 - Nov 24 by timothyeo |
Or, perhaps he's a bit frustrated that he pointed out some (fairly obvious to some of us) flaws in Cook's management to date, got absolute dog's abuse for it (again god knows why) and when it's shown he actually has a clue what he's talking about and people like you don't, you try and claim some moral 'enjoying losing' rubbish to cover up the fact you don't actually have the faintest of football knowledge?
Just a thought. |
Get your tongue out, fella. | | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:19 - Nov 24 with 1612 views | leitrimblue |
Which of last years 'wasters' would you have kept? |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:19 - Nov 24 with 1612 views | itfcjoe |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 13:07 - Nov 24 by Vic |
By inference Joe you are suggesting that last years squad was not that bad. Surely you would not argue that this squad is better than what we had last year, would you?
I take your point in general that Cook has not yet managed to get a new squad getting better results than the old one. but why the need to use ‘wasters’ in your heading? You know that I agree with you about the way the dismantling of that squad was handled! But it’s time to let the past go. Reality is that very few of those players have actually ripped up trees in this league or the league below so chances are they weren’t really up to the job of being part of a promotion pushing team. |
I don't think last years squad was that bad, but I do think this years squad is much better.
I don't think the demolition needed to be as severe, and I also don't think the fact that the manager chose to make it so severe should be used as a reason as to why we are struggling - he has made his bed.
This squad should be right up at the very top of this league - at the very least competing for the automatic places - not hoping we might have an amazing run and sneak 6th | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:22 - Nov 24 with 1578 views | Jon_456 |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:19 - Nov 24 by itfcjoe |
I don't think last years squad was that bad, but I do think this years squad is much better.
I don't think the demolition needed to be as severe, and I also don't think the fact that the manager chose to make it so severe should be used as a reason as to why we are struggling - he has made his bed.
This squad should be right up at the very top of this league - at the very least competing for the automatic places - not hoping we might have an amazing run and sneak 6th |
Who would you go for if Cook were to be sacked?
I feel like the only thing which may save cook and give him more time is the fact there isnt really anyone available that stands out currently. | | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:28 - Nov 24 with 1554 views | itfcjoe |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:22 - Nov 24 by Jon_456 |
Who would you go for if Cook were to be sacked?
I feel like the only thing which may save cook and give him more time is the fact there isnt really anyone available that stands out currently. |
It's hard to know what the pulling power is, but don't worry because this is a seriously attractive job here at the moment - possibly one of the most attractive in the whole EFL - and one that managers will be falling over themselves to get.
With the aggression and backing we showed in the transfer window in the summer, it could be anyone - but I'm not a believer in keeping the wrong man in place just because there may not be someone obviously better out there. | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:34 - Nov 24 with 1510 views | Jon_456 |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:28 - Nov 24 by itfcjoe |
It's hard to know what the pulling power is, but don't worry because this is a seriously attractive job here at the moment - possibly one of the most attractive in the whole EFL - and one that managers will be falling over themselves to get.
With the aggression and backing we showed in the transfer window in the summer, it could be anyone - but I'm not a believer in keeping the wrong man in place just because there may not be someone obviously better out there. |
Thats good to hear.
On your last line, I suppose the key question is does Ashton feel the same way? | | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:46 - Nov 24 with 1461 views | itfcjoe |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:34 - Nov 24 by Jon_456 |
Thats good to hear.
On your last line, I suppose the key question is does Ashton feel the same way? |
He was always very slow with Lee Johnson and gave him so many chances, but then Johnson was his man and we don't know what pressures were coming from above compared to know.
So the reality is - we won't know until it happens, or doesn't! | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 15:13 - Nov 24 with 1384 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 13:10 - Nov 24 by MattinLondon |
Oh for crying out loud - they are professional footballers and they have an experienced manager and coaches in charge of them. They are not Sunday League players who meet up once a week for training before playing at the weekend with a hangover.
Tactics and style is ironed out and installed at the training ground complete with friendly preseason matches. They are professionals, they are a cut above the man-on-the-street, they have been in a footballing environment for years - the first few matches should have seen the ‘gelling’ process completed. Not for that to be offered as an excuse for 40% of the season.
If ‘gelling’ together is a valid reason then surly the answer is to change tactics and formation not to carry on simply because that’s the way he’s always managed. |
Why are you getting upset and angry? I'm not saying anything about 40% of the season - indeed I think we should be seeing more consistent progress by now.
The reason we are where we are now is largely down to the poor start ...and it's no coincidence that the team was brand new to each other (and most of them to Cook's tactics). So there was every chance they'd start slow until they got up to speed with each other.
Comparing that with players who'd already been playing under Lambert for half a season, and many of whom had been at the club years, is therefore not a like-for-like comparison. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 15:58 - Nov 24 with 1309 views | Parky |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:00 - Nov 24 by N2_Blue |
Too many of our fans still believe the season isn't done. The playoffs are gone. Sorry, not a chance.
We effectively need 2ppg for the rest of the season.
The season will be meaningless by January.
That is why I'm so angry and find Cook's performance indefensible. He needs to go. |
“The playoffs are gone.”
We’re not even halfway through the season ffs. [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 15:59]
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 16:00 - Nov 24 with 1304 views | Herbivore |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 15:58 - Nov 24 by Parky |
“The playoffs are gone.”
We’re not even halfway through the season ffs. [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 15:59]
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This is true but to make the play offs now we need to sustain 2 points per game over our remaining 27 games and that looks a very tall order given our form to date. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 16:01 - Nov 24 with 1301 views | hype313 |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 15:58 - Nov 24 by Parky |
“The playoffs are gone.”
We’re not even halfway through the season ffs. [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 15:59]
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You're right, but what have you seen so far that makes you think we can mount a play off challenge? |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 16:31 - Nov 24 with 1255 views | backwaywhen |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:13 - Nov 24 by BseaBlue |
But he blamed that squad for not being good enough though didnt he? |
I think all this was going on and almost certainly he was banking on his old number 2 Liam Richardson joining him from Wigan , it’s all gone tits up for him after the rejection of joining us IMHO. | | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 16:34 - Nov 24 with 1240 views | BseaBlue |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 16:31 - Nov 24 by backwaywhen |
I think all this was going on and almost certainly he was banking on his old number 2 Liam Richardson joining him from Wigan , it’s all gone tits up for him after the rejection of joining us IMHO. |
To be fair, quite a few people made that point last season but got shut down. For me though, the evidence is there to see in the league table.
As Joe has said before, it isn't just the technical competence of the assistant manager, its the manager having that person he trusts to bounce ideas off and get a second opinion. That is the only factor missing here in comparison to what Cook did at Wigan and Portsmouth so what else can it be? |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 16:50 - Nov 24 with 1189 views | strikalite |
Little chance of that, Cook himself said that this seasons League One is the hardest ever, he may have a point given how crazy some of the results have been so far.. |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 16:59 - Nov 24 with 1159 views | blueboyd |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 16:50 - Nov 24 by strikalite |
Little chance of that, Cook himself said that this seasons League One is the hardest ever, he may have a point given how crazy some of the results have been so far.. |
no, it helps him believe he and the players are doing as much as they can. | | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 17:01 - Nov 24 with 1155 views | Herbivore |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 16:50 - Nov 24 by strikalite |
Little chance of that, Cook himself said that this seasons League One is the hardest ever, he may have a point given how crazy some of the results have been so far.. |
We're certainly making it look hard, that's for sure. | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 19:11 - Nov 24 with 1074 views | Sawtrich |
Firstly, the end of last season was a huge disappointment. Working with players you haven't brought in yourself is part of a manager's skill. Cook failed.
Secondly, if you're going to call yourself Demolition Man you sure as hell better make a good job of the rebuild or you end up looking rather silly.
I said after Sunderland that Cook was on thin ice, well, it's starting to crack isn't it? I'm sure it'd be a very attractive job if we let Cook go, 'Want to manage a League One team that's paying Championship wages and some of the fans are OK with midtable?'. |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 20:07 - Nov 24 with 996 views | LeoMuff |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:19 - Nov 24 by leitrimblue |
Which of last years 'wasters' would you have kept? |
Deserves an answer.. | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 20:52 - Nov 24 with 928 views | timothyeo |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:16 - Nov 24 by Parky |
Get your tongue out, fella. |
I dont even know Joe, I couldn't care less about him.
Its just funny seeing posters like you getting it wrong for the umpteenth time but trying to save face because of your pathetic ego | | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 20:57 - Nov 24 with 913 views | Skip_Intro |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 17:01 - Nov 24 by Herbivore |
We're certainly making it look hard, that's for sure. |
as the actress said to the bishop... |  | | |
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