| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... 11:00 - Nov 24 with 13588 views | itfcjoe |
.....the 'wasters' in the squad under a manager who had chucked the towel in had 50 points from 30 games.
In order for us to get to that same position, over the next 11 games we need the following record
P11 W8 D2 L1 Pts 26 |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 15:24 - Nov 25 with 1424 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:22 - Nov 25 by pointofblue |
Or is Sunderland the outlier post Wycombe? Both games against Oldham, Colchester, Oxford, Rotherham - all flat, uninspiring performances where we have struggled to create. |
Not sure you can count Oldham and Colchester in the same ways for obvious reasons. The players just wouldn't be up for early round and meaningless cup games as they would the league. I've agreed Tuesday was poor, so that just leaves Oxford. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 15:26 - Nov 25 with 1414 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:25 - Nov 25 by timothyeo |
The fan base is awfully patient. On the face of it you would think that's a good thing. But have we benefited from it at all? Or has it been the opposite?
Have we gained from this patience over say, a West Ham, who's fans have protested against the owners, against managers, vocally and with intent on multiple occasions over recent seasons? |
Jesus, now you're using West Ham as the benchmark for great supporters!
You really are the comedy creation that keeps on giving. | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 15:34 - Nov 25 with 1396 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:48 - Nov 25 by NthQldITFC |
I'm loving your simile there.
I would presume that it applies more or less equally to a hat of any fabric, on a bear of any kind? Or indeed, for that matter, a pair of gloves, galoshes or a merkin? |
My first thought was pushing treacle up a hill, but that's a bit close to a cliche and I like to be different.
So you've got four things of difficulty there - fashioning a hat out of treacle, putting it on a bear, the bear is a long way away, and it's bloody cold. | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 16:06 - Nov 25 with 1363 views | leitrimblue |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:48 - Nov 25 by NthQldITFC |
I'm loving your simile there.
I would presume that it applies more or less equally to a hat of any fabric, on a bear of any kind? Or indeed, for that matter, a pair of gloves, galoshes or a merkin? |
It's a lovely line |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 20:07 - Nov 25 with 1254 views | timothyeo |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 15:26 - Nov 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Jesus, now you're using West Ham as the benchmark for great supporters!
You really are the comedy creation that keeps on giving. |
Has their fans lack of patience damaged West Ham? Are they close to relegation? Are they close to the third tier? I know you don't like dealing in facts because it makes all your opinions on football wrong over the past few years, but give it a try. |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 20:28 - Nov 25 with 1225 views | ElderGrizzly |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:26 - Nov 25 by WilbrahamBlue |
" Who else should we be "anti" then?"...
that.
in a nutshell. |
You’re a special kind of simple I take it then?
The point is Cook is picking the team and choosing the tactics/formation.
I’m anti-losing/not winning football games and he his making a habit of it. |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 20:31 - Nov 25 with 1215 views | ElderGrizzly |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:37 - Nov 25 by Jon_456 |
I agree. You dont get 3 EFL promotions by being a bad manager. He was my number 1 choice when we sacked PL and my opinions of him haven't changed, I still think he's a very good manager at this level.
How much time can we afford to give him though? He's failed so far and theres no guarantee it will click in the long term. Sometimes you just have to accept its not working out and move on. |
He’s a good a manager with Richardson by his side of course | | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 00:33 - Nov 26 with 1094 views | reusersfreekicks |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:34 - Nov 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This is probably going to my last post to you because it's like trying to put a treacle hat on a polar bear.
If you've known someone a couple of years you know what their strengths and weakness are, their foibles, you have so many more insights in them that only come through time and working together. This is basic stuff, I shouldn't have to be explaining it to an adult.
Yes, some managers do instantly change things, but not all. Sir Bobby and GB have been debated, I don't know about Sir Alf, but let's look at John Lyall. In his first season we finished 14th. If it were down to you he'd be sacked, and we all know what happened next.
By cutting down acceptable managers to only ones who have an immediate effect, you run the risk of losing a great. That's why I still believe my way - of being patient - is a correct. |
Like you were so patient with Lambert? |  | | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 08:06 - Nov 26 with 993 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 00:33 - Nov 26 by reusersfreekicks |
Like you were so patient with Lambert? |
Yes. My patience wasn't the reason he turned out to be rubbish. Now we have decent owners hopefully they'll be appointing managers who are actually good and my patience will be rewarded!
Even if most of our recent managers have been carp it doesn't make giving a manager time the wrong way to go. As I said, if you're limiting yourself only to managers who have immediate success then we're either going to have to get really lucky or more likely we'll just be churning managers over and over and still going nowhere.
In my lifetime of supporting ITFC, patience came good with George Burley and John Lyall, and what amazing times they were. Although I have to admit, that's not a great strike rate overall. Damn, I think I might have just talked myself out of being patient. EVERYBODY OUT! | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 08:37 - Nov 26 with 981 views | Churchman |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 14:09 - Nov 25 by timothyeo |
What magic does 'being around them' even bring?
Managers can come in and instantly change things, we've seen that here with Mick being the most obvious. But football is full of examples of Big Sam coming into a club and immediately producing results. Gill even left him with the team on a good run of form, and Cook still couldn't produce anything. He's worse than Gill, who's not even a manager, and he's worse than Lambert, who's barely a manager anymore. |
‘On a good run of form’. That’s three scraped wins, one of which was against ten men who played them off the pitch in the second half. Not much of a run really and does anyone seriously think that if Gill had been manager 4 days later they’d have beaten Gillingham? With exactly the same team they were given a runaround. A beating and Cook had barely had a chance to croak hello at that time.
KD made an interesting point about the difference between managing and coaching. The roles according to him are completely different. Gill just picked a team for a few days. He didn’t ‘manage’ anything. Ricky Sbragia found that out at Sunderland after he got the job after a few caretaker wins. Terry Connor, a good coach, looked like a rabbit in the headlights at Wolves. There are loads of examples. No wonder Klug never fancied it. Horses for courses.
I cannot accept last years squad was anything but a waste of space. For professional players to down tools as they did was an absolute disgrace. No excuses. I don’t care who or what they hated or why. A professional player should always try their best as a bare minimum.
This is not a defence of Cook. In nine months, with the opportunity he’s had, he’s been truly awful. I like decisiveness, but he seems inflexible and crude in the way he’s handled things, e.g. bomb squad, demolition man, losing his rag to the press.
If or more likely when he loses his job, he’ll find the person to blame when he looks in the mirror. |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 10:49 - Nov 26 with 904 views | SamWhiteUK |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:38 - Nov 25 by itfcjoe |
I don't necessarily think he was right to totally rip it up - but he did so knowing the pressure was still going to be on him to get us up straight away and felt it was right way to go.
Just because the squad is better, doesn't mean it was right - a mix of last years with some recruitment may have been more settled and good enough.
And this 'years of neglect' thing is totally irrelevant, it's a new manager and a new squad. The years of neglect were in place when McCarthy could turn things round quickly, teams have gone into administration and proper strife and can bounce back quicker than we are managing.
Sometimes it just has to be accepted a manager is a bad fit, and it looks like Cook is one here - which is a massive shame as I thought he'd be an excellent appointment, as did everyone else |
At the fans Q&A, the upper management literally sat there while Cook was alongside them and said we don't have to go up this year, in their eyes, and if it takes longer than so be it. What makes you think he felt pressure to get us up straight away? |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:23 - Nov 26 with 874 views | jayessess |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 10:49 - Nov 26 by SamWhiteUK |
At the fans Q&A, the upper management literally sat there while Cook was alongside them and said we don't have to go up this year, in their eyes, and if it takes longer than so be it. What makes you think he felt pressure to get us up straight away? |
Cook would have to be incredibly naive to imagine that he'd get 2022-23 come what may, whatever his bosses might have told him. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:23 - Nov 26 with 874 views | Herbivore |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 10:49 - Nov 26 by SamWhiteUK |
At the fans Q&A, the upper management literally sat there while Cook was alongside them and said we don't have to go up this year, in their eyes, and if it takes longer than so be it. What makes you think he felt pressure to get us up straight away? |
Did you really think they'd sit next to a manager who had us bumbling along in midtable and say in front of everyone that they are expecting promotion this season? That would have been a surprising approach to take. |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:57 - Nov 26 with 820 views | CrockerITFC |
I agree with Joe, lets bring back Lambert |  | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:06 - Nov 26 with 812 views | Herbivore |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 11:57 - Nov 26 by CrockerITFC |
I agree with Joe, lets bring back Lambert |
Worryingly we probably wouldn't be any worse off if we did. | |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:10 - Nov 26 with 804 views | CrockerITFC |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 12:06 - Nov 26 by Herbivore |
Worryingly we probably wouldn't be any worse off if we did. |
Exactly | | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 21:17 - Nov 27 with 620 views | SitfcB |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 09:49 - Nov 25 by chicoazul |
Given to understand there will be some news in the next day or so that will set TWTD alight lads. |
The new covid variant? |  |
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| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 21:21 - Nov 27 with 605 views | blueboyd |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 21:17 - Nov 27 by SitfcB |
The new covid variant? |
Already heard it, contract extended and a massive vote of confidence publicly from the owners via Ashton - or maybe I heard wrong! | | | |
| When Paul Cook was appointed last year.... on 21:26 - Nov 27 with 570 views | bazza |
We ain’t got those players anymore, we are under new ownership, and genuinely trying to rebuild the club.. I’m not overly confident in cook, but you can’t compare the two.. |  | | |
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