| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers 20:07 - Nov 24 with 5873 views | noggin |
then they have to give safe passage for those wishing to enter the UK. They won't of course and the mud slinging will continue. RIP those poor souls. |  |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:43 - Nov 25 with 724 views | Herbivore |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:43 - Nov 25 by Pinewoodblue |
Several years ago I had a conversation with a lawyer who guaranteed she could get anyone asylum. You just have to groom them to give the right answers. |
And that's your evidence? Christ on a bike. |  |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:50 - Nov 25 with 699 views | Herbivore |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:43 - Nov 25 by Ely_Blue |
Well good for them, how many people spend their life savings to put their lives at risk to cross the land borders at the hands of traffickers? None because they don’t need to and hey presto they are in a safe country and still have their money!
I’m still waiting for you to tell me why they all want so desperately to get to the uk if it isn’t for (your words) “a measly £30 a week”?
They can’t all have family here and as I said previously if their family are settled here then surely there is an easier legal way to get here and join them? |
They don't all desperately want to get here. We process comparatively few asylum claims compared to several of our European neighbours. If you re-read the thread (and other threads on this topic) people have offered reasons why some asylum seekers want to come to the UK. | |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:53 - Nov 25 with 686 views | Ely_Blue |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:50 - Nov 25 by Herbivore |
They don't all desperately want to get here. We process comparatively few asylum claims compared to several of our European neighbours. If you re-read the thread (and other threads on this topic) people have offered reasons why some asylum seekers want to come to the UK. |
I wasn’t asking your opinion I was asking a specific poster thanks |  |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:53 - Nov 25 with 684 views | eireblue |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:27 - Nov 25 by Ely_Blue |
Oh I read it, particularly this part
When your claim might not be considered
Your claim might not be considered if you:
are from an EU country
travelled to the UK through a ‘safe third country’
have a connection to a safe third country where you could claim asylum
Generally, a safe third country is one that:
you’re not a citizen of
you would not be harmed in
would not send you on to another country where you would be harmed |
“ In reality very few of those attempting to cross the channel qualify as asylum seekers.”
How does your post demonstrate that to be true? |  | | |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:56 - Nov 25 with 669 views | Herbivore |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:53 - Nov 25 by Ely_Blue |
I wasn’t asking your opinion I was asking a specific poster thanks |
Okay, I should have known you weren't genuinely interested in progressing from a position of ignorance given your views on a range of topics. | |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:58 - Nov 25 with 655 views | BlueBlueBluex2 |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 08:41 - Nov 25 by m14_blue |
‘With mobiles’
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 |
You clearly do not watch the news. I suggest you look again. |  | | |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 10:02 - Nov 25 with 628 views | Ely_Blue |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:56 - Nov 25 by Herbivore |
Okay, I should have known you weren't genuinely interested in progressing from a position of ignorance given your views on a range of topics. |
Give it up bully boy | |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 10:29 - Nov 25 with 569 views | GlasgowBlue |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 08:13 - Nov 25 by BlueBlueBluex2 |
Women and dependant children under 18, no problem.
Fit and healthy men in their 20's with mobiles and football shirts, no thanks. |
Not sure what this issue with mobile phone's is. If you had been bombed out of your home, separated from loved ones and walk across a whole continent, then a mobile phone as means of communication and getting any news would be essential.
Would you prefer they went to a phone box and tried to do a reverse the charges call to what's left of Aleppo?
edit. And a lot of these young men were just boys when they were forced to flee persecution and war in their country of origin. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 10:31]
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 10:31 - Nov 25 with 571 views | Herbivore |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 10:29 - Nov 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Not sure what this issue with mobile phone's is. If you had been bombed out of your home, separated from loved ones and walk across a whole continent, then a mobile phone as means of communication and getting any news would be essential.
Would you prefer they went to a phone box and tried to do a reverse the charges call to what's left of Aleppo?
edit. And a lot of these young men were just boys when they were forced to flee persecution and war in their country of origin. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 10:31]
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Indeed. It's not 1995 anymore, mobile phones aren't the sole preserve of wealthy business people. Someone having a mobile phone does not mean they can't possibly be in need. It's such stupid logic, but then the frenzy around immigrants has tended to play on that. | |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 10:36 - Nov 25 with 559 views | BlueBlueBluex2 |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 10:29 - Nov 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Not sure what this issue with mobile phone's is. If you had been bombed out of your home, separated from loved ones and walk across a whole continent, then a mobile phone as means of communication and getting any news would be essential.
Would you prefer they went to a phone box and tried to do a reverse the charges call to what's left of Aleppo?
edit. And a lot of these young men were just boys when they were forced to flee persecution and war in their country of origin. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 10:31]
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If you can afford a mobile phone and a passage on a wobbly dinghy to the UK then for me, something is amiss.
You pass through lots of beautiful countries on your way to Calais and I question why you would not stop there with the weather perhaps a little more hospitable than a freezing coastline.
I would also argue that as a young fit healthy male, you may be able to support yourself with work and obtain food a little easier than children and nursing mothers who desperately need our help which I for one am more than happy to provide. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 10:37]
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 10:54 - Nov 25 with 528 views | noggin |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:43 - Nov 25 by Ely_Blue |
Well good for them, how many people spend their life savings to put their lives at risk to cross the land borders at the hands of traffickers? None because they don’t need to and hey presto they are in a safe country and still have their money!
I’m still waiting for you to tell me why they all want so desperately to get to the uk if it isn’t for (your words) “a measly £30 a week”?
They can’t all have family here and as I said previously if their family are settled here then surely there is an easier legal way to get here and join them? |
They don't 'all want to come to the UK'
Stop listening to Farage and check the actual facts. | |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 10:55 - Nov 25 with 525 views | noggin |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:58 - Nov 25 by BlueBlueBluex2 |
You clearly do not watch the news. I suggest you look again. |
Oppressed people can still have access to mobile phones you know. I think M14 is laughing that you think they shouldn't. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 10:56]
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 10:59 - Nov 25 with 517 views | noggin |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 10:36 - Nov 25 by BlueBlueBluex2 |
If you can afford a mobile phone and a passage on a wobbly dinghy to the UK then for me, something is amiss.
You pass through lots of beautiful countries on your way to Calais and I question why you would not stop there with the weather perhaps a little more hospitable than a freezing coastline.
I would also argue that as a young fit healthy male, you may be able to support yourself with work and obtain food a little easier than children and nursing mothers who desperately need our help which I for one am more than happy to provide. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 10:37]
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Why do you think they want to get to England? | |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:06 - Nov 25 with 503 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 08:25 - Nov 25 by Ely_Blue |
So they are specifically setting out to reach the UK?….. travelling such a distance then why should we allow “safe passage” when they have travelled through several safe countries to get to the risky channel crossing [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 8:30]
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Because we're nice people? Oh. |  |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:07 - Nov 25 with 502 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 08:35 - Nov 25 by Ely_Blue |
Then they should travel via “legal routes”
If they choose to take the risks they do then why should we help them? |
Wowzers. Are you sure you're a human and not a robot? | |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:11 - Nov 25 with 502 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 08:50 - Nov 25 by Whos_blue |
Having read your few posts in this thread, you've slightly exposed yourself here.
There is always room for a debate on the wrongs and rights of people trying to access our country. There are so many facets to the issue, but wherever you stand, you cannot ignore that we have just seen a multiple fatality including a child.
At no stage have you shown any contrition about that and just asked "why should we help them?"
That is sad. |
It's not just sad it's fecking disgusting. Ely should be ashamed of himself but I'm sure he's not. | |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:11 - Nov 25 with 509 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
As usual on here any sense of nuance lost on both sides.
We should try and help people, we can't help everyone.
The French certainly could do more.
Some of these people are genuine refugees, some are economic migrants.
Every new person is an extray strain on the NHS and all public services yet people complain about tax rises even aster the gov has the cost of keeping people in work through the worst of the pandemic.
That's doesn't mean we can just close borders.
The other counties referred to are much bigger in area and i would suggest the people per square mile is rather less than the UK, something rarely considered.
Immigration is generally good for counties but it cannot be uncontrolled.
The NHS in particular is stocked with workers who's orgin is not in the UK.
The system for asylum could and should be better here and across Europe.
But mostly, people lost their lives in horrible circumstances and that's tragic regardless of the rights or wrongs of how and why they got there.
As usual TWTD tribalism rules. I don't like you because you think differently to me.
Let's all accept it's a sad loss of life |  |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:16 - Nov 25 with 489 views | Ely_Blue |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 10:54 - Nov 25 by noggin |
They don't 'all want to come to the UK'
Stop listening to Farage and check the actual facts. |
Still dodging that question I see | |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:20 - Nov 25 with 483 views | Ely_Blue |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 10:59 - Nov 25 by noggin |
Why do you think they want to get to England? |
Still waiting for your answer on that given that it isn’t for £30 a week | |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:28 - Nov 25 with 467 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 09:43 - Nov 25 by Ely_Blue |
Well good for them, how many people spend their life savings to put their lives at risk to cross the land borders at the hands of traffickers? None because they don’t need to and hey presto they are in a safe country and still have their money!
I’m still waiting for you to tell me why they all want so desperately to get to the uk if it isn’t for (your words) “a measly £30 a week”?
They can’t all have family here and as I said previously if their family are settled here then surely there is an easier legal way to get here and join them? |
Maybe you should do some research instead of chucking glib questions around out of ignorance. | |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:33 - Nov 25 with 456 views | Ely_Blue |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:28 - Nov 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Maybe you should do some research instead of chucking glib questions around out of ignorance. |
What better place to do my research than to ask all of these experts that frequent TWTD?
If I do my own research the board know it alls will only shoot me down as it doesn’t suit their political narrative so there’s no point | |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:34 - Nov 25 with 457 views | Herbivore |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:33 - Nov 25 by Ely_Blue |
What better place to do my research than to ask all of these experts that frequent TWTD?
If I do my own research the board know it alls will only shoot me down as it doesn’t suit their political narrative so there’s no point |
You wear your ignorance like a badge of honour. Try to be better, mate. | |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:35 - Nov 25 with 454 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:33 - Nov 25 by Ely_Blue |
What better place to do my research than to ask all of these experts that frequent TWTD?
If I do my own research the board know it alls will only shoot me down as it doesn’t suit their political narrative so there’s no point |
You don't have to do research just to display it on here. You could just do it for yourself to gain an understanding and empathy for people who are worse off than you. Just a thought. | |
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| Word of warning..... on 11:41 - Nov 25 with 454 views | Bloots |
| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:11 - Nov 25 by BlueandTruesince82 |
As usual on here any sense of nuance lost on both sides.
We should try and help people, we can't help everyone.
The French certainly could do more.
Some of these people are genuine refugees, some are economic migrants.
Every new person is an extray strain on the NHS and all public services yet people complain about tax rises even aster the gov has the cost of keeping people in work through the worst of the pandemic.
That's doesn't mean we can just close borders.
The other counties referred to are much bigger in area and i would suggest the people per square mile is rather less than the UK, something rarely considered.
Immigration is generally good for counties but it cannot be uncontrolled.
The NHS in particular is stocked with workers who's orgin is not in the UK.
The system for asylum could and should be better here and across Europe.
But mostly, people lost their lives in horrible circumstances and that's tragic regardless of the rights or wrongs of how and why they got there.
As usual TWTD tribalism rules. I don't like you because you think differently to me.
Let's all accept it's a sad loss of life |
....if you try and look at both sides of the argument on here, all that happens is that you get both cohorts having a pop at you.
It's a funny old game. |  |
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| If France and The UK can't stop these people smugglers on 11:41 - Nov 25 with 451 views | nodge_blue |
Sometimes now the issues we see just seem overwhelming. Whether it's climate change, wars, rogue nations, trump, soil failure, plastics.
And on top of that mass migration. I feel what we are seeing is the tip of the iceberg as climate change will only add to it. Plus most liberal people don't want to live in Afghanistan or Syria etc now.
I don't know what the answer is. It makes me really down at times.
I can't see that just an open door is ok though. Everyone that comes needs housing for a start. I've no idea how you process tens of thousands of people and house then all at the same time. |  |
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