| Unpopular opinion 22:52 - Dec 5 with 4585 views | ITFC_96 |
Cook was a worse manager for us than Lambert. |  | | |  |
| Unpopular opinion on 22:53 - Dec 5 with 2749 views | FightingEssex |
Unpopular but statistically correct. Also Lambert relied on a hybrid of Mick and Hursts players and didn’t hire a whole team to do worse. |  |
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| Unpopular opinion on 22:55 - Dec 5 with 2712 views | ITFC_96 |
| Unpopular opinion on 22:53 - Dec 5 by FightingEssex |
Unpopular but statistically correct. Also Lambert relied on a hybrid of Mick and Hursts players and didn’t hire a whole team to do worse. |
If we go by the League 1 statistics he's pretty far ahead. | | | |
| Unpopular opinion on 23:01 - Dec 5 with 2680 views | BlueBadger |
| Unpopular opinion on 22:53 - Dec 5 by FightingEssex |
Unpopular but statistically correct. Also Lambert relied on a hybrid of Mick and Hursts players and didn’t hire a whole team to do worse. |
Although, to be fair, Cook relied upon Lambert's tried-and-tested 'stroke it about a bit and hope one of the forwards can conjure something and never try anything else, ever' tactics a fair bit. |  |
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| Unpopular opinion (n/t) on 23:07 - Dec 5 with 2640 views | galacticoblue |
| Unpopular opinion on 23:01 - Dec 5 by BlueBadger |
Although, to be fair, Cook relied upon Lambert's tried-and-tested 'stroke it about a bit and hope one of the forwards can conjure something and never try anything else, ever' tactics a fair bit. |
[Post edited 5 Dec 2021 23:16]
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| Unpopular opinion on 23:08 - Dec 5 with 2625 views | NeedhamChris |
In League 1 - yes, without any doubt.
Although going down with a whimper from the Championship makes it hard to give Lambert too much of a free pass here. | |
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| Unpopular opinion on 23:10 - Dec 5 with 2618 views | pointofblue |
| Unpopular opinion on 23:08 - Dec 5 by NeedhamChris |
In League 1 - yes, without any doubt.
Although going down with a whimper from the Championship makes it hard to give Lambert too much of a free pass here. |
That's fine - taking over a side two points off the play offs and going backwards means Cook doesn't get too much of a free pass either. | |
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| Unpopular opinion on 23:10 - Dec 5 with 2612 views | Churchman |
| Unpopular opinion on 22:53 - Dec 5 by FightingEssex |
Unpopular but statistically correct. Also Lambert relied on a hybrid of Mick and Hursts players and didn’t hire a whole team to do worse. |
In his first season Lambert won 4, drew 8, lost 19. In that heady relegation whimper time he brought in 4 loans and 4 permanents in the January window. In the summer he brought in a further 9 loans and permanents. Shipped out a load too. After a good start, the rest of the L1 dross warmed up and down we sagged to 11th - with his team.
You can use stats any way you want. Lambert was truly dreadful. Cook has been too. It’s like comparing what dogs leave on the verge and deciding which smells best. |  | | |
| Unpopular opinion on 23:13 - Dec 5 with 2579 views | NeedhamChris |
| Unpopular opinion on 23:10 - Dec 5 by pointofblue |
That's fine - taking over a side two points off the play offs and going backwards means Cook doesn't get too much of a free pass either. |
I'm not disagreeing with you - I've been a 'Cook outer' for months so not defending him. There's not a lot a lot of positives to cling on to for either. | |
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| Unpopular opinion on 23:15 - Dec 5 with 2564 views | pointofblue |
| Unpopular opinion on 23:13 - Dec 5 by NeedhamChris |
I'm not disagreeing with you - I've been a 'Cook outer' for months so not defending him. There's not a lot a lot of positives to cling on to for either. |
I think Churchman's analogy is pretty accurate! | |
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| Unpopular opinion on 23:15 - Dec 5 with 2564 views | galacticoblue |
Oooh I did this exact post a month or so ago - I got downvoted big time.
Don’t like lambert personally but he would have done better with this group of players. | | | |
| Unpopular opinion on 23:16 - Dec 5 with 2551 views | Herbivore |
Other than Mick, every ME appointment has basically just been a differing shade of sh!t. |  |
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| Unpopular opinion on 23:20 - Dec 5 with 2517 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Unpopular opinion on 22:53 - Dec 5 by FightingEssex |
Unpopular but statistically correct. Also Lambert relied on a hybrid of Mick and Hursts players and didn’t hire a whole team to do worse. |
Statistically but not emotionally correct. Lambert had thrown in the towel well before he was sacked. |  | | |
| Unpopular opinion on 23:38 - Dec 5 with 2470 views | jeera |
| Unpopular opinion on 23:10 - Dec 5 by pointofblue |
That's fine - taking over a side two points off the play offs and going backwards means Cook doesn't get too much of a free pass either. |
Lambert was hated by a number of fans in the end and I'm glad for one thing it didn't get the chance to get to that kind of stage with Cook.
I think some of us have forgotten how much he was disliked. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 23:42]
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| Unpopular opinion on 23:54 - Dec 5 with 2439 views | BlueBadger |
| Unpopular opinion on 23:16 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
Other than Mick, every ME appointment has basically just been a differing shade of sh!t. |
Mick was clearly way below those, obvs.
The monstrous man never thought to start a long term build that involved relegation and/or being mid table in the third division FFS, what's technical, progressive or Improved about that? | |
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| Unpopular opinion on 00:37 - Dec 6 with 2367 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Unpopular opinion on 23:54 - Dec 5 by BlueBadger |
Mick was clearly way below those, obvs.
The monstrous man never thought to start a long term build that involved relegation and/or being mid table in the third division FFS, what's technical, progressive or Improved about that? |
He's gone. Let it go.
You Do Have Real Concerns. |  | | |
| Unpopular opinion on 00:41 - Dec 6 with 2308 views | Garv |
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Neither were as bad as they were made out to be, for different reasons. |  |
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| Unpopular opinion on 07:35 - Dec 6 with 2109 views | Herbivore |
| Unpopular opinion on 00:41 - Dec 6 by Garv |
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Neither were as bad as they were made out to be, for different reasons. |
Depends on what you mean by not as bad as they were made out to be. Were they Peter Sutcliffe levels of evil human being? No, they were just football managers. Did either demonstrate that they were even averagely competent at their jobs during their time at Town? No, they did not. They were both largely hopeless. | |
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| Unpopular opinion on 07:49 - Dec 6 with 2056 views | chicoazul |
| Unpopular opinion on 23:16 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
Other than Mick, every ME appointment has basically just been a differing shade of sh!t. |
This is what I’m worried about. There is room for things to get worse. |  |
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| Unpopular opinion on 07:58 - Dec 6 with 2019 views | DanTheMan |
| Unpopular opinion on 07:49 - Dec 6 by chicoazul |
This is what I’m worried about. There is room for things to get worse. |
I hear Megson is still available... |  |
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| Unpopular opinion on 08:05 - Dec 6 with 1992 views | Darth_Koont |
| Unpopular opinion on 23:54 - Dec 5 by BlueBadger |
Mick was clearly way below those, obvs.
The monstrous man never thought to start a long term build that involved relegation and/or being mid table in the third division FFS, what's technical, progressive or Improved about that? |
So that was Keanish’s rant in your signature?
I don’t agree with him all the way in terms of effect but I agree with the sentiment. I was enjoying the new era of Cook and what was developing/still needed to develop. But a lot of the chat around it almost from the start has been fairly awful. It’s all been a bit Bedsheet if I’m being honest. |  |
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| Unpopular opinion on 08:09 - Dec 6 with 1958 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Unpopular opinion on 08:05 - Dec 6 by Darth_Koont |
So that was Keanish’s rant in your signature?
I don’t agree with him all the way in terms of effect but I agree with the sentiment. I was enjoying the new era of Cook and what was developing/still needed to develop. But a lot of the chat around it almost from the start has been fairly awful. It’s all been a bit Bedsheet if I’m being honest. |
That sentiment being that Mullers, Gtsb, Badge, Blootsie, N2 & Joe are all knobs?
Bang to rights I'd argue  |  |
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| Unpopular opinion on 08:15 - Dec 6 with 1943 views | Herbivore |
| Unpopular opinion on 08:05 - Dec 6 by Darth_Koont |
So that was Keanish’s rant in your signature?
I don’t agree with him all the way in terms of effect but I agree with the sentiment. I was enjoying the new era of Cook and what was developing/still needed to develop. But a lot of the chat around it almost from the start has been fairly awful. It’s all been a bit Bedsheet if I’m being honest. |
Delusional on every level. | |
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| Unpopular opinion on 08:15 - Dec 6 with 1937 views | Darth_Koont |
| Unpopular opinion on 08:09 - Dec 6 by Swansea_Blue |
That sentiment being that Mullers, Gtsb, Badge, Blootsie, N2 & Joe are all knobs?
Bang to rights I'd argue |
Yeah, that’s harsh.
They’ve been a bit knobbish. But who hasn’t over certain issues?
And FWIW I didn’t think the bedsheet era was a good look during Magilton’s time either. Although I accepted his time was probably up by then. | |
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| Unpopular opinion on 08:17 - Dec 6 with 1909 views | Darth_Koont |
| Unpopular opinion on 08:15 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
Delusional on every level. |
Gmpf.
Thanks Rich. | |
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| Unpopular opinion on 08:17 - Dec 6 with 1904 views | SomethingBlue |
It's a tough call — they both came in with good intentions and then totally messed up big opportunities. Cook possibly shades it for the failures that repeated themselves almost identically across two sets of players. | |
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