| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 20:21 - Dec 9 with 2015 views | mylittletown |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 20:08 - Dec 9 by Churchman |
The media views were mixed on Ashton. Some good, some bad. The reality is that an L1/sometimes Championship club sit snugly in the Championship. Their weird supporters believe literally anything decent that’s happened to them was nothing whatsoever to do with Ashton in his five years and everything bad was, from players leaving to the weather. Fine, if that’s your view and your friends then crack on with the anti-Ashton stuff. I expect now the anchor of Ashton is off BC to be in the PL in the next year or so.
He wasn’t sacked by BC btw. He resigned. Did well for a bloke that was totally responsible for their failure to not be PL. Despite being fired, Lee Johnson has not slagged him off and neither has Pearson. People who have directly worked with him. Now I’m assuming that if the BC narrative is right, Ashton was responsible for Holden but not Pearson.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s what he does here. I take as I find. In six months, he’s done nothing wrong. If Cook tells us Ashton lied, I’ll pile in. When Ashton makes a mistake, I’ll give a view. Until then I’ll ignore what the Ashton out agenda brigade have to say.
The same applies to the new manager, even if it’s somebody I believe is uninspiring. It’s what they do here. |
Obviously I hope that he succeeds. Nor am I pursuing an Ashton out agenda. He will be judged by his record. Personally I think that buying 19-20 new players in one transfer window, and then expecting them to gel into a team in a few months was very high risk.
I do, though, object to the view that he did a great job at Ashton Gate, when he clearly didn't.
The Lansdowns have a good record for being pretty faithful to their staff. |  | |  |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 20:30 - Dec 9 with 1992 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 19:23 - Dec 9 by itfcsuth |
We had this with Paul Cook.
You can be anti and pro decisions that are made.
I think he did really good business in the summer, I thought the sacking of Cook was a touch too early. His next managerial decision is critical.
I don’t understand the desire that there needs to be such a divisive in an out camp on everything on TWTD. |
Same, just before he was sacked, I put "on Barrowed time" in the three word summary. So I wasn't surprised, but I would have given him longer myself.
I think he got a lot of recruitment right. We've seen flashes of that. I think he expected to get better defenders in and was unfortunate in the way Hladky turned out to be so rubbish early on, costing us early momentum and player belief.
The club have made the decision, now we look forward. I don't think Ashton can be blamed for taking action. He took a decision that many fans would of. He and the team in general seem like a massive upgrade on the administrative side. Again, we shall see. |  |
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| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 20:37 - Dec 9 with 1983 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 20:09 - Dec 9 by quad |
I didn't want Cook out. It's a bad, bad decision which I believe is mainly down to Ashton.
Things were bad but there was a reasonable chance Cook could have turned it around. It's about to get a whole lot worse. We'll get battered at Wigan as the players have all downed tools. I actually think we will be in an almighty struggle to avoid relegation, every team will fancy their chances against a team where half the players don't care any more. |
Nonsense.
Players will get over it, they are selfish. They will care about their career and their earnings. They'll soon forget Cook. |  |
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| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 22:27 - Dec 9 with 1780 views | Melford |
Also, according to Phil's news story Evans is in the frame to buy Huddersfield/ Derby . Apparently they're close to going bust, their fans might see him as their saviour being ***king loaded and paying their debts off when he first comes in .
You ask anyone on here about ME's time here and pretty much everybody would say it was a crap tenure, they'd be a couple of fans going on their message boards and saying Evans is a wrong un and you don't want him as an owner.
But when Bristol City fans come on here to warn us about Ashton they get mocked and called windowlickers. They've got no axe to grind with us, just telling us watch out for the bloke. |  |
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| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 22:39 - Dec 9 with 1737 views | Churchman |
I am. More than you’ll ever know.
Look, people will believe what they want to believe. If an individual wishes to pursue a bizarre campaign against somebody on another club’s forum and people choose to believe that fine,
I choose to take as I find, wherever possible. If he turns out to be the gross incompetent spawn of Satan, we will find out and I’ll be complaining with the rest. As far as Evans is concerned, Huddersfield and whoever’s supporters will find out for themselves. Maybe Evans will do things differently and succeed. Hooray for him and them, but I would dream of going on their forums’ endlessly to ‘educate’ them. |  | | |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 22:50 - Dec 9 with 1713 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Keep up….. we all hate Ashton because Toto walked over towards the fans! Have you been under a rock?! |  | | |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 00:59 - Dec 10 with 1614 views | quad |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 20:37 - Dec 9 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Nonsense.
Players will get over it, they are selfish. They will care about their career and their earnings. They'll soon forget Cook. |
Lose to Wigan and we could well be down to 17th. I wish I was as confident as you. Unless the new manager really hits the ground running and the players step up we're in deep sh*t. Morsy already wants out, so do a few other players I would expect. |  | | |
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| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 01:19 - Dec 10 with 1589 views | quad |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 22:50 - Dec 9 by Matt_Netherlands |
Keep up….. we all hate Ashton because Toto walked over towards the fans! Have you been under a rock?! |
It was Ashton's decision or influence that culminated in Cook being sacked. This affected the players immensely and contributed towards the worst performance of the season against Charlton (aside from Bolton at home). Morsy, Evans and others came here because of Cook in the first place. They will already want to leave. Toto went over towards the fans because the hatred towards him is unfair and he clearly gives everything he can every game. He has his faults but he gives his all. And Walton gets shoved by some moron. WTF?? If these players and others just said right f**k it I won't bother then I really wouldn't blame them. We're a mid-table 3rd division team, where's the motivation to give your all if you're treated like this??
We need to stop living in the past. The days of Wark, Mariner etc are long gone. New players don't give a sh*te about the history of the club. It's irrelevant to them. They've been sold a dream that we can at least get back to the championship, now that's gone t*ts up apart from the better wages where is the incentive to stay and give their all??? | | | |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 06:33 - Dec 10 with 1485 views | PioneerBlue |
I didn’t want Paul Cook out. Mark Ashton has led the board to a decision that I don’t agree with at the wrong time, it looks panicked in first sign of fan blowback, and it also now looks like there was no plan to back up the decision. PR did start to turn but this was way before turning to anything other than calls to sort it out which was presumably what Jan is for. I like JMcG, but it’s a big ask for him to reset the heads of this group. With our history and experience of manager change, there is no clear path for leading another managers squad to greater success. It has Magilton, Keane and Jewell written all over it right now. | |
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| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 07:04 - Dec 10 with 1462 views | itfcbam |
Trouble is we have a section of vocal people, often with unrealistic expectations, who always have to moan about something and expect success just to fall on our laps. These people are actually happy when they have moan. They wanted sweeping changes, it's happened then because on day 1 things hadn't gelled (which would never happen in any work place) they moan. Things have gone backwards the last month, the manager loses his job so now there has to be another 1 to moan at. If these spent half their energy actually getting behind the club instead of spreading constant negativity you never know where we might end up. | | | |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 07:04 - Dec 10 with 1461 views | CornishMariner |
I wouldn't say I was anti-Ashton but there are concerns and, yes, some of that is because the Bristol comments seem to have more credence now than they did a few weeks ago. Clearly he and his team are doing a fantastic job around the stadium on the cosmetics/appearance and I see no reason why this won't get any better next year too. The background appointments seem sensible too, bringing the club into the 21st century.
Just having a CEO at all that has worked in the business is an upgrade for ITFC but my concern is over his role in signings, the way he chose to steal the limelight at Lincoln and the way the managerial change has gone so far. I guess we will never know how many of the signings were Cook requests and how many were about Ashton making himself look good but some, most notably Lous Barry, seemed strange when we clearly needed to beef up the defence in all four positions. Dismissing a manager on Saturday night seemed rash, especially given Cook's record for turning these things around. Again these are only concerns not a major panic. I just hope O Leary and others are keeping his ego in check and that the owners are prepared to be as decisive with him as they were with Cook, should things really start to go wrong i.e. appointing a dud manager. Things should get better but they might get worse - imagine a win record no better than Cook's combined with hoof-ball. |  |
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| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 08:00 - Dec 10 with 1427 views | Churchman |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 01:19 - Dec 10 by quad |
It was Ashton's decision or influence that culminated in Cook being sacked. This affected the players immensely and contributed towards the worst performance of the season against Charlton (aside from Bolton at home). Morsy, Evans and others came here because of Cook in the first place. They will already want to leave. Toto went over towards the fans because the hatred towards him is unfair and he clearly gives everything he can every game. He has his faults but he gives his all. And Walton gets shoved by some moron. WTF?? If these players and others just said right f**k it I won't bother then I really wouldn't blame them. We're a mid-table 3rd division team, where's the motivation to give your all if you're treated like this??
We need to stop living in the past. The days of Wark, Mariner etc are long gone. New players don't give a sh*te about the history of the club. It's irrelevant to them. They've been sold a dream that we can at least get back to the championship, now that's gone t*ts up apart from the better wages where is the incentive to stay and give their all??? |
You speak with such certainty. I take you are on the inside of the club, it’s decision making process and know how it works along the mindset of the players and what motivates them.
Wow, great knowledge. I won’t ask you the source of your facts that enable you to speak in definite terms as opposed guesswork and the endless moans of a Bristol City bloke with an agenda whose done his work well.
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| Day 1 or day 277……? on 08:32 - Dec 10 with 1388 views | Bloots |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 07:04 - Dec 10 by itfcbam |
Trouble is we have a section of vocal people, often with unrealistic expectations, who always have to moan about something and expect success just to fall on our laps. These people are actually happy when they have moan. They wanted sweeping changes, it's happened then because on day 1 things hadn't gelled (which would never happen in any work place) they moan. Things have gone backwards the last month, the manager loses his job so now there has to be another 1 to moan at. If these spent half their energy actually getting behind the club instead of spreading constant negativity you never know where we might end up. |
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| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 08:38 - Dec 10 with 1368 views | Herbivore |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 07:04 - Dec 10 by itfcbam |
Trouble is we have a section of vocal people, often with unrealistic expectations, who always have to moan about something and expect success just to fall on our laps. These people are actually happy when they have moan. They wanted sweeping changes, it's happened then because on day 1 things hadn't gelled (which would never happen in any work place) they moan. Things have gone backwards the last month, the manager loses his job so now there has to be another 1 to moan at. If these spent half their energy actually getting behind the club instead of spreading constant negativity you never know where we might end up. |
The problem with this take is that the people moaning about Ashton aren't the same people who were questioning Cook's poor performance. In fact many of those who are turning on Ashton were ardent supporters of Cook. |  |
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| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 08:43 - Dec 10 with 1347 views | ElephantintheRoom |
As a lapsed Britol City follower, still in touch with a few fans I dont think any of them are bitter about Ashton and are simply happy he's left - and watching the unfolding smarm and chaos here with a mixture of amusement and relief.
It depend how close to reality you are. He's allegedly the man in charge - although he is in reality O'Leary's poodle and would have gone anywhere in response to a nibble at their powerpoint presentation out of how to make a financial killling in a faraway league you dont understand. The absurdity of gutting the club and the haphazard recuitment of ill-fitting mercenaries would have been every bit his responsibility - more so as Cook was an employee and could have been reigned in and told to manage.
Some people still like Sheepshanks - even though he arrogantly drove the club into insolvency not once but twice, tried to sell the club to a fraudster, did sell out to a spiv -leading in a very direct line to the current state of affairs.
I think its because he was charming and full of misplaced confidence in his own ability - and good at ladling out the product of a bull's digestive tract. A rich man's Ashton if you like | |
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| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 09:25 - Dec 10 with 1287 views | Churchman |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 08:43 - Dec 10 by ElephantintheRoom |
As a lapsed Britol City follower, still in touch with a few fans I dont think any of them are bitter about Ashton and are simply happy he's left - and watching the unfolding smarm and chaos here with a mixture of amusement and relief.
It depend how close to reality you are. He's allegedly the man in charge - although he is in reality O'Leary's poodle and would have gone anywhere in response to a nibble at their powerpoint presentation out of how to make a financial killling in a faraway league you dont understand. The absurdity of gutting the club and the haphazard recuitment of ill-fitting mercenaries would have been every bit his responsibility - more so as Cook was an employee and could have been reigned in and told to manage.
Some people still like Sheepshanks - even though he arrogantly drove the club into insolvency not once but twice, tried to sell the club to a fraudster, did sell out to a spiv -leading in a very direct line to the current state of affairs.
I think its because he was charming and full of misplaced confidence in his own ability - and good at ladling out the product of a bull's digestive tract. A rich man's Ashton if you like |
As a lapsed Bristol City follower?? I thought you were Norwich. Or do you follow both?
How does that work? Personally, I’ve never understood how people can ever follow more than one club and I’m interested. | | | |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 09:39 - Dec 10 with 1261 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 22:27 - Dec 9 by Melford |
Also, according to Phil's news story Evans is in the frame to buy Huddersfield/ Derby . Apparently they're close to going bust, their fans might see him as their saviour being ***king loaded and paying their debts off when he first comes in .
You ask anyone on here about ME's time here and pretty much everybody would say it was a crap tenure, they'd be a couple of fans going on their message boards and saying Evans is a wrong un and you don't want him as an owner.
But when Bristol City fans come on here to warn us about Ashton they get mocked and called windowlickers. They've got no axe to grind with us, just telling us watch out for the bloke. |
What are we meant to do about him? |  |
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| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 09:42 - Dec 10 with 1254 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 09:25 - Dec 10 by Churchman |
As a lapsed Bristol City follower?? I thought you were Norwich. Or do you follow both?
How does that work? Personally, I’ve never understood how people can ever follow more than one club and I’m interested. |
I went to uni in Bristol and wrote match reports for the student paper on City and Rovers games - almost unbeleivably a student reporter and friend (photographer) were given press passes and could sit with the national press or by the goal and take photos. Great fun
It was back in an era where the core of the Bristol City team had played against Town in the Youth Cup final - so was kind of interesting. doing a five year course meant I saw rather more of Bristol City and Rovers before moving on... and you do develop a passing interest in clubs you watch even though its not quite the same.
When Town became an offshore spiv's plaything I started watching more of Cambridge because a friend had a couple of season tickets.... even went to two play off finals at Wembley - again not the same as watching Town... but then in my humble opinion watching what Town have become is not like watching Town - but I sympathise and sort of understand the dilemma facing those who have no memory or understanding of that Ipswich Town once were | |
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| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 09:45 - Dec 10 with 1252 views | Herbivore |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 09:42 - Dec 10 by ElephantintheRoom |
I went to uni in Bristol and wrote match reports for the student paper on City and Rovers games - almost unbeleivably a student reporter and friend (photographer) were given press passes and could sit with the national press or by the goal and take photos. Great fun
It was back in an era where the core of the Bristol City team had played against Town in the Youth Cup final - so was kind of interesting. doing a five year course meant I saw rather more of Bristol City and Rovers before moving on... and you do develop a passing interest in clubs you watch even though its not quite the same.
When Town became an offshore spiv's plaything I started watching more of Cambridge because a friend had a couple of season tickets.... even went to two play off finals at Wembley - again not the same as watching Town... but then in my humble opinion watching what Town have become is not like watching Town - but I sympathise and sort of understand the dilemma facing those who have no memory or understanding of that Ipswich Town once were |
Given that you hate everything about ITFC it's odd that you invest so much time and effort posting on an ITFC messageboard. | |
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| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 09:50 - Dec 10 with 1239 views | Wickets |
I just love the way some posters give their opinions and post it as fact . |  | | |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 09:52 - Dec 10 with 1232 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 08:43 - Dec 10 by ElephantintheRoom |
As a lapsed Britol City follower, still in touch with a few fans I dont think any of them are bitter about Ashton and are simply happy he's left - and watching the unfolding smarm and chaos here with a mixture of amusement and relief.
It depend how close to reality you are. He's allegedly the man in charge - although he is in reality O'Leary's poodle and would have gone anywhere in response to a nibble at their powerpoint presentation out of how to make a financial killling in a faraway league you dont understand. The absurdity of gutting the club and the haphazard recuitment of ill-fitting mercenaries would have been every bit his responsibility - more so as Cook was an employee and could have been reigned in and told to manage.
Some people still like Sheepshanks - even though he arrogantly drove the club into insolvency not once but twice, tried to sell the club to a fraudster, did sell out to a spiv -leading in a very direct line to the current state of affairs.
I think its because he was charming and full of misplaced confidence in his own ability - and good at ladling out the product of a bull's digestive tract. A rich man's Ashton if you like |
Are you related to the Cobbolds in any way at all? Just wondering.... |  |
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| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 09:57 - Dec 10 with 1215 views | Herbivore |
| Where's all the Anti-Ashton stuff come from all of a sudden? on 09:50 - Dec 10 by Wickets |
I just love the way some posters give their opinions and post it as fact . |
Is that your opinion or a fact? | |
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