| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) 09:32 - Jan 30 with 13302 views | Simonds92 |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 15:49 - Jan 30 with 2250 views | tractordownsouth |
He's been suspended by Man Utd |  |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 15:56 - Jan 30 with 2219 views | LankHenners |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 15:24 - Jan 30 by lowhouseblue |
the media / commentators are probably very wise not to opine on the cases you mention until court cases conclude. it's not necessarily hiding things away, rather it's not prejudicing court cases. |
Yes and I addressed that - clearly it would not be sensible to have Jermaine Jenas opining live on TV about such matters. However, taking the Giggs case for example, it would be factually and legally sound to say that the reason he was relieved of his duties as manager was because of his assault charge.
To expand on the role of the media, whilst they may not be in a position to discuss specifics openly, making a big deal of players with allegations against them helps hides things from public knowledge, even if it's unintentional. Is it really necessary for relatively large public figures in the football world to fawn over Ronaldo at every opportunity, for example?
It's not a case of them mentioning these things every single time there's a possibility to. They don't have to mention Giggs' case all the time, and from now on pundits don't have to mention the Greenwood situation whenever they discuss Utd's forward options, but a little more awareness and a sense they're taking these things seriously wouldn't go amiss. |  |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:20 - Jan 30 with 2145 views | Guthrum |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 14:25 - Jan 30 by N2_Blue |
I really hate to say it and hope I'm wrong but I wonder if that's why she's broken it this way on social media.
Why has she chosen to post it on social media and not gone to the police. Doesn't change what has allegedly happened to her which is utterly horrific and she has my full sympathy and hope she gets support from the relevant channels.
But please press charges for any crimes that *may* have been committed and ensure justice is served rather than looking for a pay day. |
Gets it out there, gets it noticed, puts pressure upon people to actually do something about it. |  |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:24 - Jan 30 with 2134 views | gtsb1966 |
The thing I don't understand, and can never understand in rape cases (which I'm not saying this is), is how a man is actually capable of sex if he is with a woman who doesn't want to have sex. Can never get my head around that. |  | | |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:29 - Jan 30 with 2113 views | footers |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:24 - Jan 30 by gtsb1966 |
The thing I don't understand, and can never understand in rape cases (which I'm not saying this is), is how a man is actually capable of sex if he is with a woman who doesn't want to have sex. Can never get my head around that. |
I can PM you an answer to this but think it would be inappropriate to post a reply on this thread tbh. |  |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:41 - Jan 30 with 2068 views | gtsb1966 |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:29 - Jan 30 by footers |
I can PM you an answer to this but think it would be inappropriate to post a reply on this thread tbh. |
Yes i know what you're on about and there are drugs to make it possible but how can a man even consider it knowing the woman isn't interested. Hardly a turn on is it. | | | |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:47 - Jan 30 with 2039 views | footers |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:41 - Jan 30 by gtsb1966 |
Yes i know what you're on about and there are drugs to make it possible but how can a man even consider it knowing the woman isn't interested. Hardly a turn on is it. |
I'm not sure how anyone normal could ever get their head around it. | |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:48 - Jan 30 with 2028 views | gordon |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:20 - Jan 30 by Guthrum |
Gets it out there, gets it noticed, puts pressure upon people to actually do something about it. |
And it's about a 3-year wait from offence to trial for rape in the UK, due to the underfunding of the criminal justice system. [Post edited 30 Jan 2022 16:48]
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:48 - Jan 30 with 2028 views | gtsb1966 |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:47 - Jan 30 by footers |
I'm not sure how anyone normal could ever get their head around it. |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:49 - Jan 30 with 2019 views | pointofblue |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 14:25 - Jan 30 by N2_Blue |
I really hate to say it and hope I'm wrong but I wonder if that's why she's broken it this way on social media.
Why has she chosen to post it on social media and not gone to the police. Doesn't change what has allegedly happened to her which is utterly horrific and she has my full sympathy and hope she gets support from the relevant channels.
But please press charges for any crimes that *may* have been committed and ensure justice is served rather than looking for a pay day. |
I'm concerned that, by releasing it on social media, she's made it very easy for Greenwood, or his counsel, to plead not guilty and then claim that he won't get a fair trial because the evidence is in the public domain. I wonder if she went to the police and they said there wasn't enough evidence, hence she has gone down this route? Otherwise I'm concerned the criminal charges might be difficult to make stick. | |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:57 - Jan 30 with 1995 views | ITFC1977 |
This may not be the most popular view but this is all speculation at the moment and it wasn’t long ago ( there’s a few posts on here about it ) that everybody was outraged with the press/social media coverage of Caroline Flack committing suicide after attacking her BOYFRIEND and the evidence due to be made public.
If he does a similar thing, would he get the same treatment? Would everybody condemning him be saying how he was “ taken to young “ etc?
I am obviously against any behaviour that has been suggested but the hypocrisy of people trying to say the right thing is nauseating. He was 18 years old, the truth will come out and he will be dealt with. But I hope everybody who is stating he should never play football again etc etc have no history of vilifying social media for the demise of her mental health and the results that occurred. | | | |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 17:02 - Jan 30 with 1959 views | footers |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:57 - Jan 30 by ITFC1977 |
This may not be the most popular view but this is all speculation at the moment and it wasn’t long ago ( there’s a few posts on here about it ) that everybody was outraged with the press/social media coverage of Caroline Flack committing suicide after attacking her BOYFRIEND and the evidence due to be made public.
If he does a similar thing, would he get the same treatment? Would everybody condemning him be saying how he was “ taken to young “ etc?
I am obviously against any behaviour that has been suggested but the hypocrisy of people trying to say the right thing is nauseating. He was 18 years old, the truth will come out and he will be dealt with. But I hope everybody who is stating he should never play football again etc etc have no history of vilifying social media for the demise of her mental health and the results that occurred. |
Fcking hell. The state of this. | |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 17:09 - Jan 30 with 1918 views | Mullet |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:57 - Jan 30 by ITFC1977 |
This may not be the most popular view but this is all speculation at the moment and it wasn’t long ago ( there’s a few posts on here about it ) that everybody was outraged with the press/social media coverage of Caroline Flack committing suicide after attacking her BOYFRIEND and the evidence due to be made public.
If he does a similar thing, would he get the same treatment? Would everybody condemning him be saying how he was “ taken to young “ etc?
I am obviously against any behaviour that has been suggested but the hypocrisy of people trying to say the right thing is nauseating. He was 18 years old, the truth will come out and he will be dealt with. But I hope everybody who is stating he should never play football again etc etc have no history of vilifying social media for the demise of her mental health and the results that occurred. |
A lot of people were critical of Flack and the double standards and mental gymnastics from certain corners. Same as today.
Her committing suicide was tragic, but your comparison is crass at best even if you are trying to be well meaning.
There is also a huge difference with the position of the victims and how both cases came to light. Hopefully Greenwood will get his day in court and such concerns can be addressed. However it’s an incredibly bad take to worry about him and dismiss the victim |  |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 17:13 - Jan 30 with 1873 views | GlasgowBlue |
A man has now been arrested on suspicion of rape. |  |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 17:17 - Jan 30 with 1855 views | XYZ |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:49 - Jan 30 by pointofblue |
I'm concerned that, by releasing it on social media, she's made it very easy for Greenwood, or his counsel, to plead not guilty and then claim that he won't get a fair trial because the evidence is in the public domain. I wonder if she went to the police and they said there wasn't enough evidence, hence she has gone down this route? Otherwise I'm concerned the criminal charges might be difficult to make stick. |
I really don't think it will be difficult for them to find 12 people who've not seen it and have never heard of him. | | | |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 17:20 - Jan 30 with 1840 views | ITFC1977 |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 17:09 - Jan 30 by Mullet |
A lot of people were critical of Flack and the double standards and mental gymnastics from certain corners. Same as today.
Her committing suicide was tragic, but your comparison is crass at best even if you are trying to be well meaning.
There is also a huge difference with the position of the victims and how both cases came to light. Hopefully Greenwood will get his day in court and such concerns can be addressed. However it’s an incredibly bad take to worry about him and dismiss the victim |
The large majority very much forgot her accusations once she took matters into her own hands and my only point is we are at a similar stage now with this, minus the suicide and I think male or female, footballer or presenter people should realise the repercussions of being judge, jury and executioner. Just my view and no real offence intended.
And I at no stage dismissed the victim, and if that has been interpreted that way then it was not my meaning. [Post edited 30 Jan 2022 17:22]
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 18:08 - Jan 30 with 1646 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Someone in shop mentioned he’d been arrested today but only on the train back did I see on Twitter what has happened. Absolute scumbag. His poor missus.
The girlfriends dad seemingly standing up for him is also disturbing |  |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 18:19 - Jan 30 with 1568 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:57 - Jan 30 by ITFC1977 |
This may not be the most popular view but this is all speculation at the moment and it wasn’t long ago ( there’s a few posts on here about it ) that everybody was outraged with the press/social media coverage of Caroline Flack committing suicide after attacking her BOYFRIEND and the evidence due to be made public.
If he does a similar thing, would he get the same treatment? Would everybody condemning him be saying how he was “ taken to young “ etc?
I am obviously against any behaviour that has been suggested but the hypocrisy of people trying to say the right thing is nauseating. He was 18 years old, the truth will come out and he will be dealt with. But I hope everybody who is stating he should never play football again etc etc have no history of vilifying social media for the demise of her mental health and the results that occurred. |
Did she rape him too then? Few odd statements from you in this.
"but the hypocrisy of people trying to say the right thing is nauseating."
Its a little bit odd to use 'but' when talking about rape and domestic abuse.
"Caroline Flack committing suicide after attacking her BOYFRIEND and the evidence due to be made public"
Odd use of the word 'boyfriend' all in caps.
But ultimately, your post boils down to 'girls abuse men too'. Which of course we all know, but is not an excuse for Greenwoods alleged behaviour, Flack, who was already know to suffer with depression and low self-esteem, killed herself after a press witch-hunt, led by Dan fking Wooton, not a football message board; and no, its not the same thing. [Post edited 30 Jan 2022 18:31]
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 18:24 - Jan 30 with 1551 views | footers |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 18:19 - Jan 30 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Did she rape him too then? Few odd statements from you in this.
"but the hypocrisy of people trying to say the right thing is nauseating."
Its a little bit odd to use 'but' when talking about rape and domestic abuse.
"Caroline Flack committing suicide after attacking her BOYFRIEND and the evidence due to be made public"
Odd use of the word 'boyfriend' all in caps.
But ultimately, your post boils down to 'girls abuse men too'. Which of course we all know, but is not an excuse for Greenwoods alleged behaviour, Flack, who was already know to suffer with depression and low self-esteem, killed herself after a press witch-hunt, led by Dan fking Wooton, not a football message board; and no, its not the same thing. [Post edited 30 Jan 2022 18:31]
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And that male-on-female violence, especially sexual violence, is so much more prevalent than female-on-male violence that to make such a comparison or attempt to draw equivalence is essentially pointless and insulting to the victim.
Some of the views on this thread are strange and depressing. | |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 18:54 - Jan 30 with 1420 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 16:49 - Jan 30 by pointofblue |
I'm concerned that, by releasing it on social media, she's made it very easy for Greenwood, or his counsel, to plead not guilty and then claim that he won't get a fair trial because the evidence is in the public domain. I wonder if she went to the police and they said there wasn't enough evidence, hence she has gone down this route? Otherwise I'm concerned the criminal charges might be difficult to make stick. |
Only Murder is seen as a more serious offence than Rape and any allegation of Rape has to be recorded and investigated, even if it by someone who had already passed away… even if someone claims they were raped by Casper the ghost, it has to be recorded. Rape and sexual assaults are very much victim led in how the police progress it, not pursuing if victim no longer wants to etc. so I doubt very much that even without the images and voice recordings she would have been told that… though it is a very difficult offence to prove beyond reasonable doubt, which is the burden of proof that police work with.
I think, as others have put the modern young adult sees Social Media as the modern day court.. certainly the court of popularity and public opinion |  | | |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 18:58 - Jan 30 with 1380 views | tractordownsouth |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 18:08 - Jan 30 by The_Romford_Blue |
Someone in shop mentioned he’d been arrested today but only on the train back did I see on Twitter what has happened. Absolute scumbag. His poor missus.
The girlfriends dad seemingly standing up for him is also disturbing |
I don't have kids and in some ways I feel harsh making a judgement on her dad but I'd like to think if I was a father and that happened to my child, I'd be wanting the book thrown at him and not trying to make excuses. | |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 18:59 - Jan 30 with 1374 views | textbackup |
as horrific it as it is we all know what happens here, he does his time, comes out, and still gets paid a week what some people dont get paid a year. |  |
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| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 19:07 - Jan 30 with 1319 views | ITFC1977 |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 18:19 - Jan 30 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Did she rape him too then? Few odd statements from you in this.
"but the hypocrisy of people trying to say the right thing is nauseating."
Its a little bit odd to use 'but' when talking about rape and domestic abuse.
"Caroline Flack committing suicide after attacking her BOYFRIEND and the evidence due to be made public"
Odd use of the word 'boyfriend' all in caps.
But ultimately, your post boils down to 'girls abuse men too'. Which of course we all know, but is not an excuse for Greenwoods alleged behaviour, Flack, who was already know to suffer with depression and low self-esteem, killed herself after a press witch-hunt, led by Dan fking Wooton, not a football message board; and no, its not the same thing. [Post edited 30 Jan 2022 18:31]
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Did she rape him too then? Few odd statements from you in this.
This hasn’t been proven yet so although you’ve made your mind up, I’m just saying that time will tell and hopefully truth will prevail.
"but the hypocrisy of people trying to say the right thing is nauseating."
Its a little bit odd to use 'but' when talking about rape and domestic abuse.
Not proven, see above.
"Caroline Flack committing suicide after attacking her BOYFRIEND and the evidence due to be made public"
Odd use of the word 'boyfriend' all in caps.
She was his “GIRLFRIEND “ just stating the situation and similarity, not justifying anything.
But ultimately, your post boils down to 'girls abuse men too'. Which of course we all know, but is not an excuse for Greenwoods alleged behaviour, Flack, who was already know to suffer with depression and low self-esteem, killed herself after a press witch-hunt, led by Dan fking Wooton, not a football message board; and no, its not the same thing.
I was making no excuse for his behaviour, far from it, merely making the point that suffering from low self-esteem ( who knows mason isn’t suffering from this) that the same witch-hunt you talk of, is now starting, not just on a football forum ( check all social media if you need clarification) and that other than the sex of each person there are a lot of similarities between the two.
Hope this answers your points.
To clarify, I don’t agree with any bullying, rape or physical violence by anybody and my point is nothing has been proven yet and although you’ve clearly made your mind up, it was similar people who made there mind up that she was a man beating bla bla bla, that contributed to her unfortunate decisions. | | | |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 19:23 - Jan 30 with 1219 views | gtsb1966 |
| Looks like Greenwood's career is done. (n/t) on 18:59 - Jan 30 by textbackup |
as horrific it as it is we all know what happens here, he does his time, comes out, and still gets paid a week what some people dont get paid a year. |
That won't happen. 100% won't happen. IF he is guilty there isn't a football club who would touch him. | | | |
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