| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... 11:14 - Feb 11 with 6836 views | tractorboy1978 |
in his first interview with Chesterfield - in case anyone needed any more convincing on the matter. Thought he was coming in to work with Evans and 6 weeks later he wasn't! |  | | |  |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:20 - Feb 11 with 1691 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 11:52 - Feb 11 by PhilTWTD |
He really didn't, he commented on speculation but knew nothing of the ins and outs. Cook really did know nothing about it and evidently assumed it was all talk. |
He must be an idiot then.
Lambert talked about a possible takeover.
The papers talked about an almost certain takeover, including the nationals.
I think the guy is re-writing history. |  |
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:21 - Feb 11 with 1685 views | WD19 |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:13 - Feb 11 by FrimleyBlue |
Lets be honest though
What manager, would hate to be told, btw the clubs now got more money than when you got the job, we can do whatever you want as manager to be in the top 2 |
That's not really the point though. Everything he thought he knew turned out to be a lie. That's not a great platform from which to build.....and almost from day 1 it felt like he was fighting the desire to walk out on a point of principle. |  | | |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:22 - Feb 11 with 1687 views | PhilTWTD |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 11:30 - Feb 11 by PrideOfTheEast |
That was definitely the case when the conversations first started. Similar to what it looks like he might end up doing at Huddersfield, Evans wanted to retain control but partner with an investor to reduce his exposure and generate funds to sort the club out.
When it became pretty clear we were going nowhere fast (and animosity towards the ownership was growing) it became a bit more of an all or nothing conversation. O'Leary wanted an active role and to run things properly so in reality an investment type model wouldn't have worked long term unless Evans was willing to relinquish day to day management. Literally right up until the Rochdale game on 5 April Evans wasn't sure he wanted to proceed. The deal closed on the 7th. |
Indeed, Marcus tried to turn the takeover into investment but ultimately realised that it wasn't something Gamechanger were interested in and that it was time to move on, although he was still hanging onto that as an aim until very late in the day.
From my perspective, it confused the issue, especially when I heard there was an organisation called ORG involved in the situation a day or so before everything was confirmed, I wasn't sure where they fitted into the picture. |  | | |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:23 - Feb 11 with 1689 views | Garv |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:02 - Feb 11 by Fixed_It |
He knew about investment, but not the change of ownership. |
And yet the media were widely reporting we were close to being sold?
I don't remember all of us discussing how we were about to just have an injection of cash, it was all about how we were about to be taken over, wasn't it? |  |
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:23 - Feb 11 with 1684 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:14 - Feb 11 by PhilTWTD |
I think ME kept him in the dark, as he did everyone else at the club until it was absolutely necessary to tell them. Cook really wasn't told anything until the day the morning the deal was confirmed. |
Really cant have been a huge surprise given the scale and credibility of the speculation at the time.
....he mustve been gutted to find out that the club was getting massive investment and that he could replace all the players that he really didnt rate.  | |
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:24 - Feb 11 with 1679 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:23 - Feb 11 by Garv |
And yet the media were widely reporting we were close to being sold?
I don't remember all of us discussing how we were about to just have an injection of cash, it was all about how we were about to be taken over, wasn't it? |
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:24 - Feb 11 with 1677 views | N2_Blue |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 11:32 - Feb 11 by bluebudgie |
I see he is still sticking to the remit that he was sacked after "only" 20 games in charge when it was in fact 43 and he left with a 29% win record. Why he has continually forgotten about the season he came in when we were only a point off the playoffs is anyone's guess. If he has a similar run of poor results at Chesterfield with the team being in an even stronger position than Town, will he conveniently forget about this season? |
probably because he was pi*sed. Too much drinking and not enough focus on making the play offs that season.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt at the time but his comments get to me a bit.
He is ridiculous naive and not very aware if he didn't think a takeover was happening or about to happen. He came to work for a guy that was admittedly trying to sell the club. Sorry Cook it doesn't add up. How could the fans know but you not. He didn't put his due diligence in or he's lying. Either way doesn't reflect well on him.
And yes the continual bleating that he only got 20 games is a bit pathetic. Its clearly deliberately misleading. In any case those 20 games were pretty pathetic.
I liked him and he was my choice for the job, i was very wrong and i have much less time for him following his comments. If he just held up his hands and admitted he made mistakes I'd have far more respect for him. |  |
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:25 - Feb 11 with 1677 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:23 - Feb 11 by Garv |
And yet the media were widely reporting we were close to being sold?
I don't remember all of us discussing how we were about to just have an injection of cash, it was all about how we were about to be taken over, wasn't it? |
Could have been clever work by the new owners? Get the story in the papers, all the fans demand the takeover after years and years of pain under M.E
Had it just been about investment but M.E still being owner, It wouldn't really have given the fans a buzz imo and the pressure on M.E wouldn't have been as high to sell |  |
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:27 - Feb 11 with 1677 views | clive_baker |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 11:52 - Feb 11 by PhilTWTD |
He really didn't, he commented on speculation but knew nothing of the ins and outs. Cook really did know nothing about it and evidently assumed it was all talk. |
While it doesn't discredit that at all, and both things could certainly have been true, I heard from a pretty reliable source that ME sought the approval of Gamechanger before pulling the trigger on Lambert and instating Cook. I guess it would make sense as the deal was in progress, and it was probably a material enough decision to need their consent as to not compromise the sale. Is that aligned with your understanding of it? That wasn't something I heard from a player, but someone close to the goings on at the time. |  |
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:28 - Feb 11 with 1674 views | PhilTWTD |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:20 - Feb 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
He must be an idiot then.
Lambert talked about a possible takeover.
The papers talked about an almost certain takeover, including the nationals.
I think the guy is re-writing history. |
He's not at all. The denials from people at the club were genuine, they didn't know anything about it. Only Marcus and presumably those around him away from the club. They obviously knew what they'd read but Marcus kept telling people there was nothing in it and then when it became obvious that there was that it was all still speculative.
I assume PC was given assurances that he wasn't going anywhere, which ultimately proved to be false, of course. If you remember, PC kept talking about things that were going to happen in the summer, which I assume would have been as a result of Marcus's hoped-for investment.
Whether PC was naive in not believing there was something in all the takeover noise is another matter, of course, but he really wasn't kept in the loop. And actually ME appointing a manager at the point he did might be seen as evidence that he was planning on sticking around, which he was until very close to the point he signed the papers. | | | |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:30 - Feb 11 with 1665 views | PhilTWTD |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:27 - Feb 11 by clive_baker |
While it doesn't discredit that at all, and both things could certainly have been true, I heard from a pretty reliable source that ME sought the approval of Gamechanger before pulling the trigger on Lambert and instating Cook. I guess it would make sense as the deal was in progress, and it was probably a material enough decision to need their consent as to not compromise the sale. Is that aligned with your understanding of it? That wasn't something I heard from a player, but someone close to the goings on at the time. |
Mike O'Leary said that he told them he was making the appointment, but would have been no more than that. They weren't involved in the decision to sack PL or the appointment of PC. | | | |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:31 - Feb 11 with 1654 views | PhilTWTD |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:23 - Feb 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Really cant have been a huge surprise given the scale and credibility of the speculation at the time.
....he mustve been gutted to find out that the club was getting massive investment and that he could replace all the players that he really didnt rate. |
The money would have been welcome, obviously, but I don't think he was happy as one of the attractions of Town was that he was a manager in the traditional sense, something which he probably knew wasn't going to be the case after the takeover. | | | |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:34 - Feb 11 with 1643 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:28 - Feb 11 by PhilTWTD |
He's not at all. The denials from people at the club were genuine, they didn't know anything about it. Only Marcus and presumably those around him away from the club. They obviously knew what they'd read but Marcus kept telling people there was nothing in it and then when it became obvious that there was that it was all still speculative.
I assume PC was given assurances that he wasn't going anywhere, which ultimately proved to be false, of course. If you remember, PC kept talking about things that were going to happen in the summer, which I assume would have been as a result of Marcus's hoped-for investment.
Whether PC was naive in not believing there was something in all the takeover noise is another matter, of course, but he really wasn't kept in the loop. And actually ME appointing a manager at the point he did might be seen as evidence that he was planning on sticking around, which he was until very close to the point he signed the papers. |
Well, whatever the case, he made a mess of it.
He wont find many League clubs where he can have an 'Alex Ferguson' role. I guess thats why he's back at Chesterfield.
99.9% of managers would welcome huge investment. | |
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:41 - Feb 11 with 1625 views | clive_baker |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:34 - Feb 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Well, whatever the case, he made a mess of it.
He wont find many League clubs where he can have an 'Alex Ferguson' role. I guess thats why he's back at Chesterfield.
99.9% of managers would welcome huge investment. |
I think it's fair to say he made a mess of it, certainly.
Although if it's true what he's saying, then he was entirely mis sold the opportunity by Evans. His stock was high, he was going to get a good job whether it was here or elsewhere and you have to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he was attracted to what he thought he might achieve under Evans. Those goalposts, expectations, structure, leadership team all moved spectacularly only a few weeks later. Most would say for the better, but we don't know what Cook was looking for. He does strike me as a bit of an old school manager, hands on across the club etc and the 'head coach' approach never looked like it was very him. I would argue it reflects awfully on Evans to entirely mis sell an opportunity, knowing it was likely to change in the near future. I'm surprised Cook doesn't have some sort of case against him,. | |
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:43 - Feb 11 with 1617 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:41 - Feb 11 by clive_baker |
I think it's fair to say he made a mess of it, certainly.
Although if it's true what he's saying, then he was entirely mis sold the opportunity by Evans. His stock was high, he was going to get a good job whether it was here or elsewhere and you have to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he was attracted to what he thought he might achieve under Evans. Those goalposts, expectations, structure, leadership team all moved spectacularly only a few weeks later. Most would say for the better, but we don't know what Cook was looking for. He does strike me as a bit of an old school manager, hands on across the club etc and the 'head coach' approach never looked like it was very him. I would argue it reflects awfully on Evans to entirely mis sell an opportunity, knowing it was likely to change in the near future. I'm surprised Cook doesn't have some sort of case against him,. |
Things change... that's life.... adapt.
To be fair, if he had appointed some professional coaches, I think he would have done OK.
...those appointments were certainly his choice. | |
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:45 - Feb 11 with 1615 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:41 - Feb 11 by clive_baker |
I think it's fair to say he made a mess of it, certainly.
Although if it's true what he's saying, then he was entirely mis sold the opportunity by Evans. His stock was high, he was going to get a good job whether it was here or elsewhere and you have to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he was attracted to what he thought he might achieve under Evans. Those goalposts, expectations, structure, leadership team all moved spectacularly only a few weeks later. Most would say for the better, but we don't know what Cook was looking for. He does strike me as a bit of an old school manager, hands on across the club etc and the 'head coach' approach never looked like it was very him. I would argue it reflects awfully on Evans to entirely mis sell an opportunity, knowing it was likely to change in the near future. I'm surprised Cook doesn't have some sort of case against him,. |
With the moans he had about the Rolls team and we know of the traffic light fitness system, You have to think he prefers to pick players based on how they feel not how a system says they should feel. | |
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:59 - Feb 11 with 1597 views | Churchman |
Whether Cook knew or not, he comes across as somebody trying to re-write 12 months of making a right pigs ear of things.
If he didn’t think anything was going on takeover wise, where exactly was he burying his head? Also, I get Evans couldn’t say anything directly about a potential takeover but surely he could have either held off appointing him and should have done so all parties knew what they were getting into.
As for Cook’s comments, he was given the best opportunity any manager at that level could ever have. The opportunity to build his own team with backing. Instead, bull in a china shop time. He was wasteful and divisive with how he shipped out last years squad. He then took the throw mud at a wall panic approach in assembling a new team. Bomb squad, players told to leave, players retained. A mob of strangers to start the season. No wonder it took so long for them to win a game.
20 games? Well even if you ignore last season’s efforts, it was obvious after 20 games he was the wrong man for the job. Also, if he wasn’t enjoying it, why didn’t he show some backbone and resign instead of appointing coach after coach? He was rightly fired.
I like Cook and wish him well. However it would be helpful to him if he owned a bit of what went wrong and shut up about it. [Post edited 11 Feb 2022 13:39]
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 13:22 - Feb 11 with 1569 views | clive_baker |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:43 - Feb 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Things change... that's life.... adapt.
To be fair, if he had appointed some professional coaches, I think he would have done OK.
...those appointments were certainly his choice. |
I don't think its as simple as saying that's life. If ME knew it was likely to change, and so materially, then it changes the proposition Cook things he's signing up to. I think he has a moral obligation (maybe even a legal one) to be a bit clearer about that prospect to Cook. It's his life and career, uprooting his family, it's poor for to treat people like that.
Far from a direct comparison admittedly, but if you sold a house to someone knowing there was going to be planning permission for a power plant next door a month later and you didn't disclose it, you would be done for damages under the Misrepresentation act. It might have altered their decision to buy it / or Cook's to take the job. I just think it's a pretty poor way to conduct yourself from ME.
Don't disagree that Cook played the new hand he was dealt poorly. | |
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 13:31 - Feb 11 with 1558 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:59 - Feb 11 by Churchman |
Whether Cook knew or not, he comes across as somebody trying to re-write 12 months of making a right pigs ear of things.
If he didn’t think anything was going on takeover wise, where exactly was he burying his head? Also, I get Evans couldn’t say anything directly about a potential takeover but surely he could have either held off appointing him and should have done so all parties knew what they were getting into.
As for Cook’s comments, he was given the best opportunity any manager at that level could ever have. The opportunity to build his own team with backing. Instead, bull in a china shop time. He was wasteful and divisive with how he shipped out last years squad. He then took the throw mud at a wall panic approach in assembling a new team. Bomb squad, players told to leave, players retained. A mob of strangers to start the season. No wonder it took so long for them to win a game.
20 games? Well even if you ignore last season’s efforts, it was obvious after 20 games he was the wrong man for the job. Also, if he wasn’t enjoying it, why didn’t he show some backbone and resign instead of appointing coach after coach? He was rightly fired.
I like Cook and wish him well. However it would be helpful to him if he owned a bit of what went wrong and shut up about it. [Post edited 11 Feb 2022 13:39]
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Cook had 8 games before the takeover. He took 9 points from a possible 24. That's almost 20% of the season. Not sure it's fair to criticise Evans for making the change given he clearly wanted to salvage the season and probably brought Cook in with the hope we'd go on a run which would likely have delayed him selling at all. Lambert should have gone much earlier obviously. | | | |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 14:10 - Feb 11 with 1518 views | BlueBadger |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 11:31 - Feb 11 by BiGDonnie |
Massively. HE seems like a decent bloke, but really hasn't' done himself many favours wit his time here and some interviews after.
A bad workman will always blame his tools. |
In all fairness, he DID inherit a fair few tools... |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 14:34 - Feb 11 with 1489 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 11:30 - Feb 11 by PrideOfTheEast |
That was definitely the case when the conversations first started. Similar to what it looks like he might end up doing at Huddersfield, Evans wanted to retain control but partner with an investor to reduce his exposure and generate funds to sort the club out.
When it became pretty clear we were going nowhere fast (and animosity towards the ownership was growing) it became a bit more of an all or nothing conversation. O'Leary wanted an active role and to run things properly so in reality an investment type model wouldn't have worked long term unless Evans was willing to relinquish day to day management. Literally right up until the Rochdale game on 5 April Evans wasn't sure he wanted to proceed. The deal closed on the 7th. |
That’s not correct. The takeover was very advanced when Cook was appointed.
In Lambert’s last post match press conference he said that the takeover was imminent and that 99% of the time new owners put in a new manager. He even joked that Paul Cook was sitting in his office. [Post edited 11 Feb 2022 14:36]
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 14:45 - Feb 11 with 1481 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 11:52 - Feb 11 by PhilTWTD |
He really didn't, he commented on speculation but knew nothing of the ins and outs. Cook really did know nothing about it and evidently assumed it was all talk. |
As has been covered before, even Evans had assumed it was unlikely at the time
Evans made the appointment assuming his medium term ownership of the club [Post edited 11 Feb 2022 14:46]
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 14:48 - Feb 11 with 1473 views | Ryorry |
| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 12:14 - Feb 11 by PhilTWTD |
I think ME kept him in the dark, as he did everyone else at the club until it was absolutely necessary to tell them. Cook really wasn't told anything until the day the morning the deal was confirmed. |
Wow. Thanks for the info 👠|  |
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| Notice Cook alluded once again to having no idea of the takeover... on 14:52 - Feb 11 with 1471 views | Kieran_Knows |
Hadn't Cook also sold Evans the dream about the whole player trading and that was the route we was going to go down (didn't Evans release a statement on that? Or am I making that up).
I know Cook had several scouts and analysis chaps he wanted to bring down with him from Wigan - which Evans agreed to as part of this new 'structure', but that changed when Ashton and Co came in and Ashton wanted his own recruitment team. |  |
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