| Recruiting as if we're promoted 20:02 - Apr 26 with 10010 views | PaoloMarinero |
I've seen it mentioned on here that we could be recruiting as if we were in the championship. If true, who could that mean in terms of targets? What promising Prem youngsters or settled Championship players would be in the radar? Is it a done deal that we'll get some Man Utd youngsters? |  | | |  |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 10:26 - Apr 27 with 2440 views | hammo56 |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 10:15 - Apr 27 by abracaDOBRA_ |
Doesn't really work like that. You need the whole team functioning, individual players cannot carry a team. They aren't going to put 4 Ipswich players in team of season when were 11th. |
For me even if these players are above league 1 standard in terms of ability the question is are they actually suited to league 1 football? I feel that not only do we need to recruit players which are going to fit into our style of football but also take into account what type of player is required to get us out of this league.
Hopefully this will be dealt with this summer. As we all know the squad at this moment in time is unbalanced and I’m hopeful that KM will rectify this. |  | | |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 11:01 - Apr 27 with 2332 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 08:35 - Apr 27 by BiGDonnie |
How he's allowed to post this drivel is beyond me.
I reckon he's got a micro willy and hates life. |
I know many on here have a strop when faced with reality, have very short memories - and anyone with an alternative point of view bordering on the sane and logical is a Norwich fan … BUT….
If you cast you mind back a couple of days the player of the year is Mr Burns - albeit Town signed more than one Smithers too as they dismembered a more than capable squad The year before it was a jobbing journeyman from Lincoln whose signing probably didn’t get your juices going , nor obviously, Cook’s
Think back a bit and you have marquee signings like Ivan Campo to take us to the next level Or ‘European experience’ to help us compete for relegation.
So - you get my drift? PR is PR - and yes the Americans may want a ‘franchise signing’ - and I’m sure Ronaldo is available.
But the answer to Town’s recurring problem in division three is to recruit a balanced team of third division players who are here for more than a year | |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 11:05 - Apr 27 with 2356 views | footers |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 11:01 - Apr 27 by ElephantintheRoom |
I know many on here have a strop when faced with reality, have very short memories - and anyone with an alternative point of view bordering on the sane and logical is a Norwich fan … BUT….
If you cast you mind back a couple of days the player of the year is Mr Burns - albeit Town signed more than one Smithers too as they dismembered a more than capable squad The year before it was a jobbing journeyman from Lincoln whose signing probably didn’t get your juices going , nor obviously, Cook’s
Think back a bit and you have marquee signings like Ivan Campo to take us to the next level Or ‘European experience’ to help us compete for relegation.
So - you get my drift? PR is PR - and yes the Americans may want a ‘franchise signing’ - and I’m sure Ronaldo is available.
But the answer to Town’s recurring problem in division three is to recruit a balanced team of third division players who are here for more than a year |
I'm still waiting to hear why Reuser was 'an expensive flop'. |  |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 11:12 - Apr 27 with 2351 views | OldFart71 |
Whilst it is a good idea to bring in players that are the future of ITFC it must also be remembered that we are still a Division One side and that we have now been in this league for three seasons and in all honesty haven't improved position wise in that time. Therefore we have to not only get players that are able to be with us for say five years, but they must also be able to hack it in this muck and bullets league. | | | |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 11:34 - Apr 27 with 2312 views | itfcjoe |
Finance wise, once you are out of the parachute teams and the ongoing big hitters like Forest there is very little difference in spending power between those clubs and us
Teams like Hull, Coventry, Luton etc don't have the muscle we do in the market |  |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 12:41 - Apr 27 with 2220 views | jayessess |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 11:12 - Apr 27 by OldFart71 |
Whilst it is a good idea to bring in players that are the future of ITFC it must also be remembered that we are still a Division One side and that we have now been in this league for three seasons and in all honesty haven't improved position wise in that time. Therefore we have to not only get players that are able to be with us for say five years, but they must also be able to hack it in this muck and bullets league. |
Every English league is a "muck and bullets" league. |  |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 12:41 - Apr 27 with 2219 views | MattinLondon |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 11:34 - Apr 27 by itfcjoe |
Finance wise, once you are out of the parachute teams and the ongoing big hitters like Forest there is very little difference in spending power between those clubs and us
Teams like Hull, Coventry, Luton etc don't have the muscle we do in the market |
I agree with that, but do you think the majority of players really care about ‘projects’ or a clubs long-term ambitions?
You didn’t use those words but do you think that most players are probably only interested in the here-and-now? Of being able to play at a higher level rather than spending a season (at the very least) playing in a lower division.
Football is a relatively short career (playing wise) and they don’t have the luxury of waiting to see what happens.
On the plus side, the manager has a good reputation and hopefully players will want to play under him and the added financial muscle may also help. |  | | |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 12:43 - Apr 27 with 2208 views | MattinLondon |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 12:41 - Apr 27 by jayessess |
Every English league is a "muck and bullets" league. |
It’s only muck and bullets if two teams play that way or if one team gets dragged down to that level. | | | |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 12:55 - Apr 27 with 2165 views | jayessess |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 12:41 - Apr 27 by MattinLondon |
I agree with that, but do you think the majority of players really care about ‘projects’ or a clubs long-term ambitions?
You didn’t use those words but do you think that most players are probably only interested in the here-and-now? Of being able to play at a higher level rather than spending a season (at the very least) playing in a lower division.
Football is a relatively short career (playing wise) and they don’t have the luxury of waiting to see what happens.
On the plus side, the manager has a good reputation and hopefully players will want to play under him and the added financial muscle may also help. |
I'd say for a lot of footballers (probably the majority), the main priority is wage level and only after that current status of the club and longer term career opportunities.
Sure you might prefer to play regularly in the Championship, but not if you're taking home less money as a result. | |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 13:07 - Apr 27 with 2142 views | itfcjoe |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 12:41 - Apr 27 by MattinLondon |
I agree with that, but do you think the majority of players really care about ‘projects’ or a clubs long-term ambitions?
You didn’t use those words but do you think that most players are probably only interested in the here-and-now? Of being able to play at a higher level rather than spending a season (at the very least) playing in a lower division.
Football is a relatively short career (playing wise) and they don’t have the luxury of waiting to see what happens.
On the plus side, the manager has a good reputation and hopefully players will want to play under him and the added financial muscle may also help. |
They are most interested in the here and now, and the value of their next contract - and that is where we are competing.
If you can get £8k a week and a 3 year deal at a Champ club, or £8k a week and a 3 year deal at a L1 club, which will increase by 50% if you go up then it's a coin flip decision.
Prestige of the Champ and the opportunities that can bring, vs potential to be earning more money if can get out of a lower league | |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 13:17 - Apr 27 with 2102 views | jayessess |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 12:43 - Apr 27 by MattinLondon |
It’s only muck and bullets if two teams play that way or if one team gets dragged down to that level. |
I think every league in England has very high levels of strength and athleticism, plus a smattering of teams for whom those are the main tools deployed to win football matches.
I'm sceptical of the idea that you specifically have to recruit to combat those teams in L1. The team held up as the arch-exponents of this style of play, Rotherham, never seem to get much joy with it in the league above, so it isn't exactly kryptonite for higher level players. | |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 13:30 - Apr 27 with 2072 views | tractordownsouth |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 21:44 - Apr 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Bennetts back on loan?
Tbh tho let's just see how these players get on
Can still remember herbz thinking it should have been illegal that we had Edwards in league 1. [Post edited 26 Apr 2022 21:49]
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Blubbers used to think that too, but for very different reasons. |  |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 13:37 - Apr 27 with 2060 views | Stu_Magoo |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 07:28 - Apr 27 by ElephantintheRoom |
Just puff. Any young player who can improve or expensive mercenaries who have played one minute of football at a higher level fit that PR guff. It’s just drivel to make the gullible feel better about lashing out on a season ticket.
Personally I’d feel a bit more positive if anyone at the franchise has come to terms with the fact Town are a mid-table team in the third division - and something more than hot air and delusion is needed to arrest the decline. That might actually mean a core of good third division players is required |
Berk. |  |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 13:39 - Apr 27 with 2044 views | clive_baker |
Problem with that is you're attracting the players based on money and promises rather than those that want to test themselves at the highest level they can, which might indicate something about the sort of player. Our best season in the past decade was when we had a group of players desperate to prove something, either to former employers or to themselves. I do think there's a lot to be said for that, so I hope we're signing the right characters as well who have that internal drive and hunger to win something next season. Not just here for the £500k a year and easy life. |  |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 13:52 - Apr 27 with 1990 views | BonneNIL |
First things first, how under the L1 FFP rules can we recruit like a Championship club? We've had our two years grace period which ended in 2020-21, we now must live broadly within our means.
Last season was well funded due to the club offloading the majority of its top earners in Chambers, Skuse, Sears, and Judge and selling the likes of Cornell, Dozzell, and Downes to the Championship for good fees. We won't have the luxury of offloading a ton of players for free this summer, nor unless we are getting a silly offer for Morsy, Burns or Edmondson are we getting any big fees.
So we need to question the bs coming out of the newspapers and Sky about how we're going to be spending big because it is nonsense unless we are planning to enter the Championship (2023/24) with a 12-point deduction for breaking the rules in 2022/23? We'd go straight back down having gained nothing.
It's more nonsense. |  |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 13:56 - Apr 27 with 1974 views | BonneNIL |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 08:35 - Apr 27 by abracaDOBRA_ |
Morsy, Walton, Burns, Edmundson, Chaplin and Celina are all too good for league 1. Things didn't go to plan but the recruitment wasn't far off. |
Are they really too good for League One? Burns is unproven at that level, as is Edmondson and Celina was alright at Ipswich and Swansea but wasn't a top player in that league by any stretch and has hardly been a huge asset for the money we've paid him for this season has he?
Morsy is someone Championship teams may look at, but the others maybe not. It's a myth that these players were ever too good for this league, just like it was a myth that the players we had were solely responsible for Cooks failures last season. We didn't finish 11th because of a manager alone, the players had a lot to do with it. | |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 13:57 - Apr 27 with 1972 views | SheffordBlue |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 13:07 - Apr 27 by itfcjoe |
They are most interested in the here and now, and the value of their next contract - and that is where we are competing.
If you can get £8k a week and a 3 year deal at a Champ club, or £8k a week and a 3 year deal at a L1 club, which will increase by 50% if you go up then it's a coin flip decision.
Prestige of the Champ and the opportunities that can bring, vs potential to be earning more money if can get out of a lower league |
I think the bit to be added to this is the opportunity for an individual to showcase their abilities in a system/set up that suits them becomes important for certain players at certain stages of their career.
E.g A Championship striker might drop down a level if it meant them starting in a system and style that suited them if they felt that doing so would get them a starting striker slot in the Championship the year after | |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 14:06 - Apr 27 with 1946 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 07:28 - Apr 27 by ElephantintheRoom |
Just puff. Any young player who can improve or expensive mercenaries who have played one minute of football at a higher level fit that PR guff. It’s just drivel to make the gullible feel better about lashing out on a season ticket.
Personally I’d feel a bit more positive if anyone at the franchise has come to terms with the fact Town are a mid-table team in the third division - and something more than hot air and delusion is needed to arrest the decline. That might actually mean a core of good third division players is required |
Gav how tf is this moron not banned yet? |  | | |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 14:40 - Apr 27 with 1902 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 13:52 - Apr 27 by BonneNIL |
First things first, how under the L1 FFP rules can we recruit like a Championship club? We've had our two years grace period which ended in 2020-21, we now must live broadly within our means.
Last season was well funded due to the club offloading the majority of its top earners in Chambers, Skuse, Sears, and Judge and selling the likes of Cornell, Dozzell, and Downes to the Championship for good fees. We won't have the luxury of offloading a ton of players for free this summer, nor unless we are getting a silly offer for Morsy, Burns or Edmondson are we getting any big fees.
So we need to question the bs coming out of the newspapers and Sky about how we're going to be spending big because it is nonsense unless we are planning to enter the Championship (2023/24) with a 12-point deduction for breaking the rules in 2022/23? We'd go straight back down having gained nothing.
It's more nonsense. |
Spoken like somebody who has no clue what the rules actually are. | | | |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 14:56 - Apr 27 with 1871 views | jayessess |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 13:52 - Apr 27 by BonneNIL |
First things first, how under the L1 FFP rules can we recruit like a Championship club? We've had our two years grace period which ended in 2020-21, we now must live broadly within our means.
Last season was well funded due to the club offloading the majority of its top earners in Chambers, Skuse, Sears, and Judge and selling the likes of Cornell, Dozzell, and Downes to the Championship for good fees. We won't have the luxury of offloading a ton of players for free this summer, nor unless we are getting a silly offer for Morsy, Burns or Edmondson are we getting any big fees.
So we need to question the bs coming out of the newspapers and Sky about how we're going to be spending big because it is nonsense unless we are planning to enter the Championship (2023/24) with a 12-point deduction for breaking the rules in 2022/23? We'd go straight back down having gained nothing.
It's more nonsense. |
League One doesn't have FFP, it has the Salary Cost Management Protocol.
FFP has points deductions for clubs that run substantial losses for a sustained period.
SCMP doesn't have points deductions and isn't concerned with whether clubs are run at a loss. It's a salary cap, related to revenue, it's tracked on an ongoing basis and the punishment for breaking the rules is a transfer embargo.
When you are promoted to the Championship, SCMP rules no longer apply and neither do their punishments. | |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 15:03 - Apr 27 with 1847 views | itfcsuth |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 14:56 - Apr 27 by jayessess |
League One doesn't have FFP, it has the Salary Cost Management Protocol.
FFP has points deductions for clubs that run substantial losses for a sustained period.
SCMP doesn't have points deductions and isn't concerned with whether clubs are run at a loss. It's a salary cap, related to revenue, it's tracked on an ongoing basis and the punishment for breaking the rules is a transfer embargo.
When you are promoted to the Championship, SCMP rules no longer apply and neither do their punishments. |
I also think some people are getting a little carried away.
We aren't going to blow the bank, it isn't how Ashton or GC20 seem to operate.
We have so far done good business overall at good fees - I don't see any significant reason that will change.
And numerically, it will be at the fraction of the % of players bought in last summer. |  | | |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 15:13 - Apr 27 with 1820 views | PhilTWTD |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 14:56 - Apr 27 by jayessess |
League One doesn't have FFP, it has the Salary Cost Management Protocol.
FFP has points deductions for clubs that run substantial losses for a sustained period.
SCMP doesn't have points deductions and isn't concerned with whether clubs are run at a loss. It's a salary cap, related to revenue, it's tracked on an ongoing basis and the punishment for breaking the rules is a transfer embargo.
When you are promoted to the Championship, SCMP rules no longer apply and neither do their punishments. |
SCMP is League One's FFP. Not building up big debts is the aim, so owners can inject cash as long as it's not in the form of loans. This is what's been happening here, hence Marcus Evans's stake in the club being reduced. |  | | |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 16:45 - Apr 27 with 1706 views | Mullet |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 15:13 - Apr 27 by PhilTWTD |
SCMP is League One's FFP. Not building up big debts is the aim, so owners can inject cash as long as it's not in the form of loans. This is what's been happening here, hence Marcus Evans's stake in the club being reduced. |
What do you reckon Phil? Are we going to go all Viv Nicholson or will it be Moneyballesque sell a Fridge to complete the rest of the team type dealings? |  |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 16:49 - Apr 27 with 1699 views | clive_baker |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 08:07 - Apr 27 by MattinLondon |
I know that I’m just giving you the attention that you crave - personally I’m not sure why you crave attention online. Maybe you’re a pathetic middle-age man whose ambitions have long gone and you’ve woken up next to a wife you don’t like or maybe you’re all alone. Or maybe you’re someone with no friends or goals on life.
But.
I’ve never called for anyone to be banned…but Phil and Gav, please ban the Elephant man as I don’t want to put anyone on ignore. |
We can but dream.
Of banning Elephant I mean, not all these superstar signings. | |
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| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 16:53 - Apr 27 with 1696 views | PhilTWTD |
| Recruiting as if we're promoted on 16:45 - Apr 27 by Mullet |
What do you reckon Phil? Are we going to go all Viv Nicholson or will it be Moneyballesque sell a Fridge to complete the rest of the team type dealings? |
We'll spend but I think it's difficult to spend too much; in most cases players that would command fees and wages very much in excess of the average for upper League One won't be willing to move to this level as they could get the same at the level above. | | | |
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