| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? 08:18 - Sep 16 with 7504 views | bluelagos |
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| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 12:37 - Sep 16 with 1234 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 11:16 - Sep 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Not true. Andrew is a councillor due to an act of Parliament. The King has no say. Only our elected MP’s can overturn this.
Getting fed up with people constantly linking fake news without bothering to check the facts. You’re not Harry10 ffs. |
Uppied in terms of accuray to Andrew's position, although that's bit harsh on BL. He's only pointing out what people are saying and wasn't claiming it was true or not (and besides, the part about it being a disgrace that Andy is afforded protections the rest of us wouldn't get is disgusting). But yes, the CoS position is being wrongly represented.
Your ire would be well-directed a the tweet author. Have you seen his bio - "Leading Criminal Defence Lawyer". No wonder our legal system is in a mess! A "leading" lawyer, but can't be arsed to get facts right. |  |
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| This is an absolute shocker of a post.... on 12:43 - Sep 16 with 1226 views | Bloots |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 08:55 - Sep 16 by bluelagos |
I'll put you down as someone proud to have a friend of a convicted paedo as a Counsellor of State. |
...you're lucky that Sitters is a level headed mature individual and doesn't take this place too seriously.
Some people on here seem to be getting very, very angry for no discernable reason.
You should probably apologise for your totally OTT response. |  |
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| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 12:47 - Sep 16 with 1204 views | Churchman |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 10:11 - Sep 16 by StokieBlue |
Would you apply the same logic to OJ Simpson?
Not convicted criminally due to circumstance but lost a civil case to the tune of 34m USD. Sometimes civil cases are a very good guide to guilt even if they don't have criminal repercussions.
Settling is usually done if one knows they are going to lose the case or if the settlement is less than future costs (this happens a lot for company cases but wouldn't seem to be applicable in this case).
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I was approaching it from a position of ignorance SB, hence the question mark. There are people on here far more knowledgeable than me on the law and I defer to them. My question was around the use of language - ‘convicted paedo’ etc.
I did look up what a Counsellor of State was because I’ve never heard of it. Wiki explains it better than me, but there are no guarantees of accuracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counsellor_of_State
In the good ole days when Henry 8th scooted off to France to try and grab back a bit of territory, Catherine of Aragon stood in - and did a good job, including stamping on the Scots if memory serves me right. Richard Duke of York stood in for his brother Edward 4th so I guess it was whoever the King/Queen nominated.
Certainly the current Counsellor of State succession is surely easily changed, if only to get Princess Anne in the line up - the most able of them and Andrew and Harry out. |  | | |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 12:49 - Sep 16 with 1193 views | Darth_Koont |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 12:37 - Sep 16 by Swansea_Blue |
Uppied in terms of accuray to Andrew's position, although that's bit harsh on BL. He's only pointing out what people are saying and wasn't claiming it was true or not (and besides, the part about it being a disgrace that Andy is afforded protections the rest of us wouldn't get is disgusting). But yes, the CoS position is being wrongly represented.
Your ire would be well-directed a the tweet author. Have you seen his bio - "Leading Criminal Defence Lawyer". No wonder our legal system is in a mess! A "leading" lawyer, but can't be arsed to get facts right. |
“Can’t be arsed to get facts straight”
I think that’s a good description of how UK public discourse is on pretty much the full range of issues. And the biggest stuff too like climate change, not just the whys and wherefores of Andrew’s position in an official capacity, when it’s the dodginess of the whole thing that’s still a problem. |  |
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| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 12:54 - Sep 16 with 1172 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 12:49 - Sep 16 by Darth_Koont |
“Can’t be arsed to get facts straight”
I think that’s a good description of how UK public discourse is on pretty much the full range of issues. And the biggest stuff too like climate change, not just the whys and wherefores of Andrew’s position in an official capacity, when it’s the dodginess of the whole thing that’s still a problem. |
Yeah, hard to argue with that. And inaccuracies spread like wildfire when it's just headlines being circulated. I've seen that claim loads of time of Twitter, and I'm not even on there. It must be a cesspit of misinformation and people don't have the time, tools or inclination to dig deeper (not aimed at BL though as he deep dives on all sorts of stuff). | |
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| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 12:59 - Sep 16 with 1155 views | MattinLondon |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 11:31 - Sep 16 by GlasgowBlue |
No he isn’t. He is calling you out for spreading fake news.
King Charles is bound by the Regency Act 1937, as amended in 1943, which stipulates that the counsellors of state are the monarch’s spouse and the four next in line to the throne above the age of 21. Charles has no say in the matter; responsibility rests instead with our elected masters in parliament who can amend such laws. You are normally big enough to own up to your mistakes. Not double down on them.
Republicans really seem to be losing their sh1t this week. I think the mass mourning and crowds have shown that the monarchy is as popular as ever and is here to stay and they’d Re really struggling with that realisation. |
By your own logic I make you triggered. |  | | |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:00 - Sep 16 with 1154 views | GeoffSentence |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 11:31 - Sep 16 by GlasgowBlue |
No he isn’t. He is calling you out for spreading fake news.
King Charles is bound by the Regency Act 1937, as amended in 1943, which stipulates that the counsellors of state are the monarch’s spouse and the four next in line to the throne above the age of 21. Charles has no say in the matter; responsibility rests instead with our elected masters in parliament who can amend such laws. You are normally big enough to own up to your mistakes. Not double down on them.
Republicans really seem to be losing their sh1t this week. I think the mass mourning and crowds have shown that the monarchy is as popular as ever and is here to stay and they’d Re really struggling with that realisation. |
These days, you can't say you're a republican without being thrown into jail. |  |
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| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:04 - Sep 16 with 1139 views | Ryorry |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 12:54 - Sep 16 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, hard to argue with that. And inaccuracies spread like wildfire when it's just headlines being circulated. I've seen that claim loads of time of Twitter, and I'm not even on there. It must be a cesspit of misinformation and people don't have the time, tools or inclination to dig deeper (not aimed at BL though as he deep dives on all sorts of stuff). |
"A cesspit of misinformation" - it can be sometimes, but it's always corrected in my experience (which is obs different to DK's as I'm always logged in & only get feed from the 2K or so I follow, + hashtags I choose).
It's also vastly outweighed by the good stuff on there.
Getting fed up with this constant misrepresentation of Twitter, which could also be described as fake news about it. It's a valuable resource with a mass of good stuff & people on there, I'd really hate people on here to be put off using it because of the incessant stream of negativity about it on here which is trotted out like a generalised meme by some who don't even use it. [Post edited 16 Sep 2022 13:05]
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| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:05 - Sep 16 with 1135 views | Darth_Koont |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 12:54 - Sep 16 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, hard to argue with that. And inaccuracies spread like wildfire when it's just headlines being circulated. I've seen that claim loads of time of Twitter, and I'm not even on there. It must be a cesspit of misinformation and people don't have the time, tools or inclination to dig deeper (not aimed at BL though as he deep dives on all sorts of stuff). |
Indeed.
BL is also an often painfully honest poster. I have no doubt it was an error in good faith (and a detail at that because the overall issue with Andrew’s suitability for official duties is still there). If BL’s guilty of anything it’s assuming people have his standards.
And for that he should hang! 😀 | |
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| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:10 - Sep 16 with 1116 views | MattinLondon |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:00 - Sep 16 by GeoffSentence |
These days, you can't say you're a republican without being thrown into jail. |
Typically GlasgowBlue is being over-the-top in order to make his point. Most republicans realise that they are in the majority with their preferred outcome of the UK becoming a republic decades away. Instead most want to see a much more streamlined monarchy and royal family.
I don’t recall a post on here stating that the country will become a republic soon. I’m short, no one is going ‘mad’ due to the monarchy being popular as we all know that it is.
Obviously posters can be royalist if they want to be and I’m, and others, are allowed to call it a ridiculous outdated conceited.
GSTK - despite very few of them actually believing in God. [Post edited 16 Sep 2022 13:30]
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| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:11 - Sep 16 with 1111 views | giant_stow |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:05 - Sep 16 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed.
BL is also an often painfully honest poster. I have no doubt it was an error in good faith (and a detail at that because the overall issue with Andrew’s suitability for official duties is still there). If BL’s guilty of anything it’s assuming people have his standards.
And for that he should hang! 😀 |
You're right about all that, although as Bloots says, perhaps the post to Sitters was a touch OTT.
Edit:To explain, I've had a similar thing thrown at me years back. I actually got called 'Peado scum' by a work colleague's husband (who was drunk) because I backed my Dad's decision to hire a freelancer for a small project, who had just come out of jail for such offences. Dad's angle, as a Christian who lived his beliefs, was that everyone deserves a chance to rebuild their life and improve themselves and that that applied to criminals in particular. Gawd, someone's gonna call me peado scum again aren;t they? Dad was right. [Post edited 16 Sep 2022 13:16]
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| This is an absolute shocker of a post.... on 13:21 - Sep 16 with 1062 views | BlackShuckBlue |
| This is an absolute shocker of a post.... on 12:43 - Sep 16 by Bloots |
...you're lucky that Sitters is a level headed mature individual and doesn't take this place too seriously.
Some people on here seem to be getting very, very angry for no discernable reason.
You should probably apologise for your totally OTT response. |
I've seen a lot of people lashing out over the last week, deliberately trying to start an argument with others, and it's pretty sad. It's certainly not what the monarch would have wanted.
When I see posts like this one, people getting angry about silly, inconsequential things and then projecting that anger on to others, it just makes me reflect on how complex the grieving process can be for many, especially if they aren't what you would typically consider 'in touch with their enotions'. You dud not have to know the Queen for her death to resonate emotionally.
If you're struggling with her death, that's OK, it's a huge event for the country. You aren't alone in feeling that way. I would humbly advise you to talk these feelings through with your real life friends and family, get offline for a while. It'll do no good searching for things to make you angry or upset, and when they usually aren't found, inventing paper tigers to wage war against.
It would he nice if we could all be a little bit more understanding of one another rather than just posting inflammatory things to get a reaction. |  | | |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:25 - Sep 16 with 1032 views | Darth_Koont |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:11 - Sep 16 by giant_stow |
You're right about all that, although as Bloots says, perhaps the post to Sitters was a touch OTT.
Edit:To explain, I've had a similar thing thrown at me years back. I actually got called 'Peado scum' by a work colleague's husband (who was drunk) because I backed my Dad's decision to hire a freelancer for a small project, who had just come out of jail for such offences. Dad's angle, as a Christian who lived his beliefs, was that everyone deserves a chance to rebuild their life and improve themselves and that that applied to criminals in particular. Gawd, someone's gonna call me peado scum again aren;t they? Dad was right. [Post edited 16 Sep 2022 13:16]
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I’ll let that go.
Having seen both at work over the years, I know which one generally adds to a discussion like this and which one generally doesn’t. And they’re clearly very much on opposite sides of the Monarchy/Republican debate – that’s been obvious to me over the past week even though I’m generally not paying that much attention to who is saying what. | |
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| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:27 - Sep 16 with 1031 views | blueasfook |
No way that would happen anyway. As others have said, it's just the law, not a conscious decision by Charles.
If Charles was incapacitated in some way, it would be William who would step in. [Post edited 16 Sep 2022 13:33]
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| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:32 - Sep 16 with 1009 views | giant_stow |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:25 - Sep 16 by Darth_Koont |
I’ll let that go.
Having seen both at work over the years, I know which one generally adds to a discussion like this and which one generally doesn’t. And they’re clearly very much on opposite sides of the Monarchy/Republican debate – that’s been obvious to me over the past week even though I’m generally not paying that much attention to who is saying what. |
With the preface that I'm no impartial judge or jury and am just expressing my own opinion, I like them both and would see their differing opinions as enriching for this place. | |
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| Agreed, it seems odd.... on 13:35 - Sep 16 with 1008 views | Bloots |
| This is an absolute shocker of a post.... on 13:21 - Sep 16 by BlackShuckBlue |
I've seen a lot of people lashing out over the last week, deliberately trying to start an argument with others, and it's pretty sad. It's certainly not what the monarch would have wanted.
When I see posts like this one, people getting angry about silly, inconsequential things and then projecting that anger on to others, it just makes me reflect on how complex the grieving process can be for many, especially if they aren't what you would typically consider 'in touch with their enotions'. You dud not have to know the Queen for her death to resonate emotionally.
If you're struggling with her death, that's OK, it's a huge event for the country. You aren't alone in feeling that way. I would humbly advise you to talk these feelings through with your real life friends and family, get offline for a while. It'll do no good searching for things to make you angry or upset, and when they usually aren't found, inventing paper tigers to wage war against.
It would he nice if we could all be a little bit more understanding of one another rather than just posting inflammatory things to get a reaction. |
....when posters start threads that are deliberately mocking other people when they don't know what they are going through.
One of my closest friends isn't a monarchist in any way, but he lost his Mum very suddenly last month. His Mum was a huge Royalist, as a result he has gone to London this morning and is standing in line purely on behalf of his late Mum.
I lost my Mum last year and I understand how he feels.
All the anger and deliberate provocation we are seeing across many outlets, including this one, really isn't necessary.
Shame. | |
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| Cheers pal x (n/t) on 13:40 - Sep 16 with 987 views | Bloots |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:25 - Sep 16 by Darth_Koont |
I’ll let that go.
Having seen both at work over the years, I know which one generally adds to a discussion like this and which one generally doesn’t. And they’re clearly very much on opposite sides of the Monarchy/Republican debate – that’s been obvious to me over the past week even though I’m generally not paying that much attention to who is saying what. |
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| Cheers pal x (n/t) on 13:46 - Sep 16 with 967 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cheers pal x (n/t) on 13:40 - Sep 16 by Bloots |
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| Another TWTD legend indeed. (n/t) on 13:48 - Sep 16 with 965 views | Bloots |
| Cheers pal x (n/t) on 13:46 - Sep 16 by Darth_Koont |
No worries, Warky. |
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| Agreed, it seems odd.... on 13:51 - Sep 16 with 952 views | StokieBlue |
| Agreed, it seems odd.... on 13:35 - Sep 16 by Bloots |
....when posters start threads that are deliberately mocking other people when they don't know what they are going through.
One of my closest friends isn't a monarchist in any way, but he lost his Mum very suddenly last month. His Mum was a huge Royalist, as a result he has gone to London this morning and is standing in line purely on behalf of his late Mum.
I lost my Mum last year and I understand how he feels.
All the anger and deliberate provocation we are seeing across many outlets, including this one, really isn't necessary.
Shame. |
The first provocative post I remember being made was this one, only a few hours after the death was announced:
Cognitive dissonance is a interesting thing.
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| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:58 - Sep 16 with 913 views | jaykay |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 11:20 - Sep 16 by StokieBlue |
A truly awful post presenting a clear case of victim-blaming.
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strange he's got in a pickle over this this |  |
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| That was a comment on.... on 14:01 - Sep 16 with 903 views | Bloots |
| Agreed, it seems odd.... on 13:51 - Sep 16 by StokieBlue |
The first provocative post I remember being made was this one, only a few hours after the death was announced:
Cognitive dissonance is a interesting thing.
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...social demographics, specifically within the sporting arena.
Hardly provocative, given the assumed lack of Liverpool supporters on this forum.
Keep up and try to avoid the desire to start another pile on.
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| That was a comment on.... on 14:08 - Sep 16 with 876 views | StokieBlue |
| That was a comment on.... on 14:01 - Sep 16 by Bloots |
...social demographics, specifically within the sporting arena.
Hardly provocative, given the assumed lack of Liverpool supporters on this forum.
Keep up and try to avoid the desire to start another pile on.
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Or alternatively it was a post designed to provoke ("stay classy") and it was clearly successful if you read the rest of the thread and look at the down votes you were receiving.
As for pile-ons, I believe that is the department of yourself and your minions, the attempted rewriting of history here is quite something to behold.
#behonest
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| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 14:22 - Sep 16 with 842 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Makes you proud to be British doesn't it? on 13:04 - Sep 16 by Ryorry |
"A cesspit of misinformation" - it can be sometimes, but it's always corrected in my experience (which is obs different to DK's as I'm always logged in & only get feed from the 2K or so I follow, + hashtags I choose).
It's also vastly outweighed by the good stuff on there.
Getting fed up with this constant misrepresentation of Twitter, which could also be described as fake news about it. It's a valuable resource with a mass of good stuff & people on there, I'd really hate people on here to be put off using it because of the incessant stream of negativity about it on here which is trotted out like a generalised meme by some who don't even use it. [Post edited 16 Sep 2022 13:05]
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Interesting to hear first hand experiences thanks. I would have assumed it’s mostly full of rubbish because you only see the rubbish posted in places like here for people to laugh at. I guess all the more informative niche stuff doesn’t make the headlines. I used it to check the timetables of Swansea Airshow in the summer and it worked a treat! | |
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