| What speed is too slow? 09:56 - Oct 11 with 5978 views | RobTheMonk |
If I'm driving to work, I regularly get stuck behind a guy who does 35-40mph on this long straight road with a 60mph limit. I'm not a boy racer at all, but this to me seems excessively slow. The road is fairly safe to overtake if you know where the hidden turning is, but I can just envision someone not knowing and an accident happening.
I get maybe doing 50mph, but nearly 50% below the speed limit... |  | | |  |
| What speed is too slow? on 11:11 - Oct 11 with 1254 views | SaleAway |
| What speed is too slow? on 11:06 - Oct 11 by CaptainAhab |
Definitely too slow.
My pet peeve is middle lane hoggers... Here's a conundrum for you though; a few years ago I was driving on a 3 lane motorway, going 75ish in the inside lane. I caught up with a middle lane hogger going about 60, so I indicated and went from the inside lane to the outside lane but at that point I realised a car was absolutely flying up the outside lane, must have been going 100+. He flashed me, swerved through on the inside lane then swerved back into the outside lane in front of me and slammed on his brakes. My question to you is; who is most at fault in this scenario?! |
All of you. |  |
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| What speed is too slow? on 11:12 - Oct 11 with 1243 views | homer_123 |
| What speed is too slow? on 10:53 - Oct 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
While your point is right, you can fail your test for driving too slowly. My instructor called it something like "not making good progress". Essentially you should be fairly close to the limit, but bearing in mind physical road conditions and weather of course. Most of it is common sense. |
You are not the only person to get this wrong. Think about it: driving to the conditions doesn't mean you drive slowly!
If the conditions allow, you are can drive up to the speed limit.
If it's icy, you don't.
Even if driving conditions are perfect and the speed limit is 60mph - that doesn't mean it's a good idea to go around a hairpin bend at 60mph! [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 12:00]
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| What speed is too slow? on 11:13 - Oct 11 with 1237 views | homer_123 |
| What speed is too slow? on 10:35 - Oct 11 by meekreech |
If this was the way you were going to drive on the driving test and the conditions were clear and dry you would be failed for “ not making progress “ . When being taught to drive making progress is as important as being expected to obey speed limits . Failure to make progress can be considered as being dangerous or undue care . |
See my reply to Flashing. | |
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| What speed is too slow? on 11:13 - Oct 11 with 1225 views | Churchman |
| What speed is too slow? on 11:06 - Oct 11 by CaptainAhab |
Definitely too slow.
My pet peeve is middle lane hoggers... Here's a conundrum for you though; a few years ago I was driving on a 3 lane motorway, going 75ish in the inside lane. I caught up with a middle lane hogger going about 60, so I indicated and went from the inside lane to the outside lane but at that point I realised a car was absolutely flying up the outside lane, must have been going 100+. He flashed me, swerved through on the inside lane then swerved back into the outside lane in front of me and slammed on his brakes. My question to you is; who is most at fault in this scenario?! |
The idiot doing 100mph weaving about.
The berk in the middle Lane also deserves a kicking for being in the wrong lane. |  | | |
| What speed is too slow? on 11:13 - Oct 11 with 1233 views | CaptainAhab |
| What speed is too slow? on 11:11 - Oct 11 by SaleAway |
All of you. |
Yep, agreed that all of us were in the wrong. Took me a while to come to that conclusion though!
What would you do differently? | | | |
| What speed is too slow? on 11:14 - Oct 11 with 1230 views | bluelagos |
| What speed is too slow? on 11:06 - Oct 11 by CaptainAhab |
Definitely too slow.
My pet peeve is middle lane hoggers... Here's a conundrum for you though; a few years ago I was driving on a 3 lane motorway, going 75ish in the inside lane. I caught up with a middle lane hogger going about 60, so I indicated and went from the inside lane to the outside lane but at that point I realised a car was absolutely flying up the outside lane, must have been going 100+. He flashed me, swerved through on the inside lane then swerved back into the outside lane in front of me and slammed on his brakes. My question to you is; who is most at fault in this scenario?! |
Even if you are at or around the speed limit - still your responsibility to ensure it's safe before pulling into the outside lane.
Middle lane guy is at fault too.
Speeding driver should be reading the road better - if he was forced to undertake to avoid you - he wasn't reading the road that well.
So I reckon you all have a little bit of blame on you.
Most? For me - if the guy was really doing 100+ I'd say he's probably the most culpable, especially as it's hard for others to pick up just how quick someone is going at that speed. |  |
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| What speed is too slow? on 11:22 - Oct 11 with 1195 views | Rimsy |
Definitely too slow and a hazard. If they were to drive like that on a test it would be a fail. |  |
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| What speed is too slow? on 11:28 - Oct 11 with 1172 views | SaleAway |
| What speed is too slow? on 11:13 - Oct 11 by CaptainAhab |
Yep, agreed that all of us were in the wrong. Took me a while to come to that conclusion though!
What would you do differently? |
The main thing is the awareness that everyone around you on a motorway may be a dickhead. So check, and check again before pulling out... the double look gives you a much better indication of speed.
That being said, I'd have just undertaken the middle lane hogger :-) | |
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| What speed is too slow? on 11:41 - Oct 11 with 1149 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| What speed is too slow? on 10:53 - Oct 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
While your point is right, you can fail your test for driving too slowly. My instructor called it something like "not making good progress". Essentially you should be fairly close to the limit, but bearing in mind physical road conditions and weather of course. Most of it is common sense. |
I did fail my scooter test on doing 30mph in a 40mph zone. In my defence it was the first time I had driven round the test area and I just missed the sign for it going from 30 to 40 as it was partially obscured by vegetation. Lesson learned - try the test area before doing the test.
The other thing they pinged me on was not pulling onto a roundabout when there was sufficient space. It was a marginal call in my view - I was trying to make a point that I was not one of those boy racers that cuts in and to leave sufficient space for the examiner to join as well. On reflection, I was pretty comforted that they were taking this sort of hard line TBH | | | |
| What speed is too slow? on 12:18 - Oct 11 with 1121 views | blueislander |
Come and live in Guernsey where the maximum permitted speed is 35 mph and 25 mph in built up areas. It is also strictly policed. | | | |
| What speed is too slow? on 12:28 - Oct 11 with 1102 views | Pinewoodblue |
| What speed is too slow? on 11:11 - Oct 11 by SaleAway |
All of you. |
Agreed liability isn’t a black or white issue there are many shades of grey. |  |
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| What speed is too slow? on 13:24 - Oct 11 with 1067 views | Nomore4 |
| What speed is too slow? on 10:35 - Oct 11 by meekreech |
If this was the way you were going to drive on the driving test and the conditions were clear and dry you would be failed for “ not making progress “ . When being taught to drive making progress is as important as being expected to obey speed limits . Failure to make progress can be considered as being dangerous or undue care . |
You are expected to keep to speeds limits….but only when safe and legal to do so. | | | |
| What speed is too slow? on 13:41 - Oct 11 with 1043 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What speed is too slow? on 10:34 - Oct 11 by Oldsmoker |
You want slow then try Bristol.
We are 20mph in most of Bristol. Some main roads are 30mph.
The firm that make 20mph signs must have made a fortune as every road off the main road gets a 20 sign.
My car - a Ford Fiesta 1.4 - is high revs in 2nd for 20mph but almost stalling in 3rd for 20mph. The cars got no Torque, so fuel consuming 2nd gear it is.
When I move off from the lights in 1st and then change up to 2nd, I look at the speedo and I'm already doing 25 so immediately slow down.
We also have to put up with scooters. They're all over the place and they go about 15mph. No rider dare turn round to see if the road is clear for them to turn right, as they'd fall off - they just turn right.
I'm going to knock a scooter rider over some time soon and it won't be my fault. Time to buy a dashcam I think. |
We're going to 20 mph in ALL current 30 mph zones, across the whole of Wales from next year. The local authorities are going to make a killing in fines. But as long as there are fewer killings on the roads, it'll be a good thing. I still think it'll be carnage and they'll end up having to putt in lots of 30 zones anyway. |  |
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| What speed is too slow? on 13:42 - Oct 11 with 1042 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What speed is too slow? on 11:12 - Oct 11 by homer_123 |
You are not the only person to get this wrong. Think about it: driving to the conditions doesn't mean you drive slowly!
If the conditions allow, you are can drive up to the speed limit.
If it's icy, you don't.
Even if driving conditions are perfect and the speed limit is 60mph - that doesn't mean it's a good idea to go around a hairpin bend at 60mph! [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 12:00]
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In what way am I wrong? I said, "bearing in mind physical road conditions and weather of course. Most of it is common sense." I've covered "icy" in weather conditions and I've covered "a hairpin bend at 60mph" in common sense! |  |
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| What speed is too slow? on 13:42 - Oct 11 with 1042 views | Leaky |
| What speed is too slow? on 10:40 - Oct 11 by giant_stow |
Never do the wvnker sign when driving - Years back, I got cut up once, gave it the shuffle and drove into a kurb busting a tire completely - lesson learnt! |
I did it once in Huntingdon, when cut up by a Range Rover, then saw Joe Bugner was the driver. So be careful to whom you give the w@nker sign to. |  | | |
| What speed is too slow? on 13:42 - Oct 11 with 1042 views | Nomore4 |
| What speed is too slow? on 13:24 - Oct 11 by Nomore4 |
You are expected to keep to speeds limits….but only when safe and legal to do so. |
That’s how I was trained in recent years HGV class 1 and 2.
Passing both 1st time with zero minors. | | | |
| What speed is too slow? on 13:47 - Oct 11 with 1038 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What speed is too slow? on 11:13 - Oct 11 by homer_123 |
See my reply to Flashing. |
We're both correct though. I posted that you can be failed for “not making progress" before I saw he had. It's a fact. | |
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| What speed is too slow? on 13:53 - Oct 11 with 1027 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What speed is too slow? on 11:06 - Oct 11 by CaptainAhab |
Definitely too slow.
My pet peeve is middle lane hoggers... Here's a conundrum for you though; a few years ago I was driving on a 3 lane motorway, going 75ish in the inside lane. I caught up with a middle lane hogger going about 60, so I indicated and went from the inside lane to the outside lane but at that point I realised a car was absolutely flying up the outside lane, must have been going 100+. He flashed me, swerved through on the inside lane then swerved back into the outside lane in front of me and slammed on his brakes. My question to you is; who is most at fault in this scenario?! |
My pet peeve too!
In that scenario, the most at fault are;
1. 100mph guy. For obvious reasons.
2. You - for not checking properly before pulling out... and it sounds like you were breaking the speed limit too. But up to 78 you won't get fined/points.
=2. Middle lane hogger. I mean, technically he wasn't breaking the law, but it's annoying, stupid and dangerous. | |
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| What speed is too slow? on 14:00 - Oct 11 with 1017 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What speed is too slow? on 11:14 - Oct 11 by bluelagos |
Even if you are at or around the speed limit - still your responsibility to ensure it's safe before pulling into the outside lane.
Middle lane guy is at fault too.
Speeding driver should be reading the road better - if he was forced to undertake to avoid you - he wasn't reading the road that well.
So I reckon you all have a little bit of blame on you.
Most? For me - if the guy was really doing 100+ I'd say he's probably the most culpable, especially as it's hard for others to pick up just how quick someone is going at that speed. |
Nah. The wrong one was the BMW driver. | |
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| What speed is too slow? on 14:07 - Oct 11 with 1010 views | CaptainAhab |
| What speed is too slow? on 14:00 - Oct 11 by Swansea_Blue |
Nah. The wrong one was the BMW driver. |
It was indeed a BMW driver! | | | |
| What speed is too slow? on 14:14 - Oct 11 with 997 views | CaptainAhab |
| What speed is too slow? on 13:53 - Oct 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
My pet peeve too!
In that scenario, the most at fault are;
1. 100mph guy. For obvious reasons.
2. You - for not checking properly before pulling out... and it sounds like you were breaking the speed limit too. But up to 78 you won't get fined/points.
=2. Middle lane hogger. I mean, technically he wasn't breaking the law, but it's annoying, stupid and dangerous. |
That's a fair summation I'd say, although you could also say the middle lane hogger was the most at fault as the root cause of the incident. If he'd been in the left lane as he should have been (I think middle lane hogging IS now an offence unless I'm mistaken?), then the middle lane would've been clear for me to overtake and the psycho BMW guy could've had the fast lane all to himself.
Anyhow if the situation ever arises again I'd be tempted to undertake, which in itself might not be the smartest/safest/legalist option! | | | |
| What speed is too slow? on 14:15 - Oct 11 with 995 views | Pinewoodblue |
| What speed is too slow? on 13:53 - Oct 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
My pet peeve too!
In that scenario, the most at fault are;
1. 100mph guy. For obvious reasons.
2. You - for not checking properly before pulling out... and it sounds like you were breaking the speed limit too. But up to 78 you won't get fined/points.
=2. Middle lane hogger. I mean, technically he wasn't breaking the law, but it's annoying, stupid and dangerous. |
Technically he was breaking the law. Keep up rules change over time.
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New laws introduced in 2013 give police officers the power to hand out on-the-spot fines of £100 and three penalty points, meaning failing to keep left on the motorway could hit you in the pocket. [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 14:20]
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| What speed is too slow? on 14:28 - Oct 11 with 983 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| What speed is too slow? on 14:15 - Oct 11 by Pinewoodblue |
Technically he was breaking the law. Keep up rules change over time.
Edit….to avoid being asked for evidence
New laws introduced in 2013 give police officers the power to hand out on-the-spot fines of £100 and three penalty points, meaning failing to keep left on the motorway could hit you in the pocket. [Post edited 11 Oct 2022 14:20]
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That may well be the case but how many times have you seen (or even heard of) someone being pulled over for it?
But yeah fair enough, I appreciate rules change. I still say the guy doing 100mph+ is most at fault. That's been illegal since forever and the police certainly will pull you over for it! | |
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| What speed is too slow? on 14:31 - Oct 11 with 978 views | leitrimblue |
| What speed is too slow? on 13:42 - Oct 11 by Leaky |
I did it once in Huntingdon, when cut up by a Range Rover, then saw Joe Bugner was the driver. So be careful to whom you give the w@nker sign to. |
Me an some friends had a similar problem with Herbie Hide on the Norwich ring road in the early 90,s. He was driving a car with a absolutely shockingly sh1te mural of a boxer wearing illuminous shorts on the bonnet. Had the words dancing destroyer wrote around it. We obviously took the p1ss an may have gave the sign. Herbie was not impressed. But he was sooo asking for it |  | | |
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