| Josh Harrop 15:26 - Dec 12 with 12223 views | cbower |
Signed short term deal at Northampton. Christ he was appalling when he was here. Stunk the place out. |  |
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| Josh Harrop on 09:50 - Dec 13 with 1774 views | FrimleyBlue |
When he arrived. Didn't he come with a reputation of being a set piece specialist.
His first appearance then showed us that this must have been on fifa as he was terrible with the ball. |  |
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| Josh Harrop on 09:58 - Dec 13 with 1781 views | Radlett_blue |
| Josh Harrop on 23:11 - Dec 12 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Having looked through our squads of the past few years, it was Oliver Hawkins.
6 foot 6 and somehow lacked the ability to win headers, as I remember him. Is that unfair? [Post edited 12 Dec 2022 23:18]
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Yes, Hawkins was a 6'6" pound shop Ian Marshall. Tried hard but it was easy to see why he had spent his career as a lower league journeyman.
However, a 6'5" lower league journeyman who couldn't head the ball called Kieffer Moore has done pretty well after leaving Town. In fairness, Moore was one of Mick's cheap punts. He clearly saw something in him that we didn't see in his cameo sub appearances for Town, but Mick also sold him on for a useful profit. |  |
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| Josh Harrop on 10:02 - Dec 13 with 1776 views | clive_baker |
| Josh Harrop on 09:58 - Dec 13 by Radlett_blue |
Yes, Hawkins was a 6'6" pound shop Ian Marshall. Tried hard but it was easy to see why he had spent his career as a lower league journeyman.
However, a 6'5" lower league journeyman who couldn't head the ball called Kieffer Moore has done pretty well after leaving Town. In fairness, Moore was one of Mick's cheap punts. He clearly saw something in him that we didn't see in his cameo sub appearances for Town, but Mick also sold him on for a useful profit. |
What frustrated me a little bit about Moore was he looked pretty pony for us, I think most agreed with that and MM and Terry probably did too hence loaning him out. But he banged them in at Rotherham in that first half season, and that felt to me like the right time to either leave him there or bring him back and give him the 2nd half here to try and establish himself. Instead we got too excited at a cheque under our noses and sold him in the Jan, in hindsight prematurely. |  |
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| Josh Harrop on 10:04 - Dec 13 with 1778 views | Dyland |
| Josh Harrop on 01:55 - Dec 13 by bournemouthblue |
I barely remember Bennetts, it feels like years ago, was he any good?
If I remember rightly, people were hoping we could sign him but BMG had spent quite a lot on him so it was unlikely
Was he a rare bright side in that season? |
You are fortunate you can't remember Bennetts.
He could do some step overs and always looked to be direct and run at opponents, and you couldn't fault his application, but on the rare occasions he got past his man he'd ping the ball to literally no one at all. He offered absolutely nothing and if anything the team may have been better off with only ten men so we didn't duff up every attacking situation he was involved in.
To say he perhaps wasn't the finished article is generous. |  |
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| Josh Harrop on 10:05 - Dec 13 with 1762 views | Dubtractor |
| Josh Harrop on 10:04 - Dec 13 by Dyland |
You are fortunate you can't remember Bennetts.
He could do some step overs and always looked to be direct and run at opponents, and you couldn't fault his application, but on the rare occasions he got past his man he'd ping the ball to literally no one at all. He offered absolutely nothing and if anything the team may have been better off with only ten men so we didn't duff up every attacking situation he was involved in.
To say he perhaps wasn't the finished article is generous. |
Poundshop Andros Townsend. |  |
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| Josh Harrop on 10:06 - Dec 13 with 1756 views | Dyland |
| Josh Harrop on 10:05 - Dec 13 by Dubtractor |
Poundshop Andros Townsend. |
Also rather generous to KB. | |
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| Josh Harrop on 10:10 - Dec 13 with 1746 views | RobTheMonk |
| Josh Harrop on 09:58 - Dec 13 by Radlett_blue |
Yes, Hawkins was a 6'6" pound shop Ian Marshall. Tried hard but it was easy to see why he had spent his career as a lower league journeyman.
However, a 6'5" lower league journeyman who couldn't head the ball called Kieffer Moore has done pretty well after leaving Town. In fairness, Moore was one of Mick's cheap punts. He clearly saw something in him that we didn't see in his cameo sub appearances for Town, but Mick also sold him on for a useful profit. |
Hawkins was playing as a centre back last time I checked (and we played him up front lol). |  | | |
| Josh Harrop on 10:11 - Dec 13 with 1742 views | Broadhill |
| Josh Harrop on 17:43 - Dec 12 by Keno |
I knew it was something like that!!
Peak Bantz Era? |
He was well before that era got under way. |  | | |
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| Josh Harrop on 10:12 - Dec 13 with 1745 views | itfcjoe |
| Josh Harrop on 22:50 - Dec 12 by Deano69 |
The amount of money spaffed on utter dross could have bought us a good team, top academy funding or meant we didn’t need to sell our best players. All with hindsight of course. |
I don't think, especially in the Mick era, we spent much on dross - we just had to fill the squad with such cheap players that inevitably some weren't up to standards. I'd only really say Cameron Stewart was dross who we signed as an expected first teamer.
I'd be interested in some of the fees involved in the lambert era for loans, what we were rumoured to be paying Quaner a week was mental, and we ended up with just so many senior players that even without Cook being demolition man we had something like 25 players either out of contract or with loans expiring and half of them just weren't even training with the first team by the end |  |
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| Josh Harrop on 10:15 - Dec 13 with 1730 views | itfcjoe |
| Josh Harrop on 09:58 - Dec 13 by Radlett_blue |
Yes, Hawkins was a 6'6" pound shop Ian Marshall. Tried hard but it was easy to see why he had spent his career as a lower league journeyman.
However, a 6'5" lower league journeyman who couldn't head the ball called Kieffer Moore has done pretty well after leaving Town. In fairness, Moore was one of Mick's cheap punts. He clearly saw something in him that we didn't see in his cameo sub appearances for Town, but Mick also sold him on for a useful profit. |
Our permanent transfer business that summer was Oli Hawkins, Stephen Ward and Dai Cornell - from what I gather they were all on what would be middling L2 wages and to be blunt ability reflected that
They just didn't improve the squad at all so we started chucking money at loan players | |
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| Josh Harrop on 10:16 - Dec 13 with 1724 views | itfcjoe |
| Josh Harrop on 10:02 - Dec 13 by clive_baker |
What frustrated me a little bit about Moore was he looked pretty pony for us, I think most agreed with that and MM and Terry probably did too hence loaning him out. But he banged them in at Rotherham in that first half season, and that felt to me like the right time to either leave him there or bring him back and give him the 2nd half here to try and establish himself. Instead we got too excited at a cheque under our noses and sold him in the Jan, in hindsight prematurely. |
At the time we had Waghorn, Garner, McGoldick and Sears - when ME asked MM whether Moore would play the answer was no, but Mick would have kept him out on loan rather than cashed in on him | |
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| Josh Harrop on 10:27 - Dec 13 with 1701 views | Radlett_blue |
| Josh Harrop on 10:10 - Dec 13 by RobTheMonk |
Hawkins was playing as a centre back last time I checked (and we played him up front lol). |
Oliver Hawkins was a reasonably successful lower league striker until Portsmouth used him to fill in at centre back so that when he came to Town, it was primarily as a striker, although again he could have played centre back at a push. Aged 30, he may now feature more as a defender.
Ian Marshall was the reverse, initially a centre back until Joe Royle successfully converted him to a striker at Oldham. I doubt he ever played in defence for Town. | |
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| Josh Harrop on 10:30 - Dec 13 with 1698 views | clive_baker |
| Josh Harrop on 10:16 - Dec 13 by itfcjoe |
At the time we had Waghorn, Garner, McGoldick and Sears - when ME asked MM whether Moore would play the answer was no, but Mick would have kept him out on loan rather than cashed in on him |
Yeah I think he was unlikely to come back and start games, but given the form he was in and rave reviews from Rotherham I did wonder if Mick might've wanted a look. He offered something different to that group, probably the closest profile to a Murphy replacement albeit not suggesting he was at that level. | |
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| Josh Harrop on 10:47 - Dec 13 with 1677 views | RobTheMonk |
| Josh Harrop on 10:27 - Dec 13 by Radlett_blue |
Oliver Hawkins was a reasonably successful lower league striker until Portsmouth used him to fill in at centre back so that when he came to Town, it was primarily as a striker, although again he could have played centre back at a push. Aged 30, he may now feature more as a defender.
Ian Marshall was the reverse, initially a centre back until Joe Royle successfully converted him to a striker at Oldham. I doubt he ever played in defence for Town. |
It seems that teams don't know whether to play him up front or at the back! | | | |
| Josh Harrop on 11:01 - Dec 13 with 1670 views | PhilTWTD |
| Josh Harrop on 10:15 - Dec 13 by itfcjoe |
Our permanent transfer business that summer was Oli Hawkins, Stephen Ward and Dai Cornell - from what I gather they were all on what would be middling L2 wages and to be blunt ability reflected that
They just didn't improve the squad at all so we started chucking money at loan players |
They filled gaps no more than that, although I thought Cornell was a better keeper than Holy. Too much financial uncertainty caused by the pandemic and lack of income for ME to do any more than that.
Interestingly, the day we signed Kieffer Moore, we had Darren Currie on Life's a Pitch, who at the time was assistant manager of Dagenham & Redbridge and he felt Hawkins and Moore were similar players at that point in their careers.
 Currie: Moore Not Just a Target Man 15th Jan 2017 19:41Former Blues winger Darren Currie says new Town striker Kieffer Moore is not just a target man and believes the ex-Forest Green Rovers frontman is “a real handful”. Moore, 24, joined the Blues on an 18-month deal on Saturday, the Blues having agreed a fee believed to be £10,000 with Forest Green.  12
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| Josh Harrop on 11:08 - Dec 13 with 1648 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Josh Harrop on 10:30 - Dec 13 by clive_baker |
Yeah I think he was unlikely to come back and start games, but given the form he was in and rave reviews from Rotherham I did wonder if Mick might've wanted a look. He offered something different to that group, probably the closest profile to a Murphy replacement albeit not suggesting he was at that level. |
Feels like bringing him back and letting him have a crack after a full season onmloan was tbe right thing to do.
Crazy that Moore is currently in my FPL team |  |
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| Josh Harrop on 11:14 - Dec 13 with 1624 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Josh Harrop on 10:10 - Dec 13 by RobTheMonk |
Hawkins was playing as a centre back last time I checked (and we played him up front lol). |
He said he preferred playing at CB just after he signed here as our main centre forward signing that summer. Another peak banter era moment (of which there were many). |  | | |
| Josh Harrop on 11:24 - Dec 13 with 1609 views | Radlett_blue |
| Josh Harrop on 11:08 - Dec 13 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Feels like bringing him back and letting him have a crack after a full season onmloan was tbe right thing to do.
Crazy that Moore is currently in my FPL team |
See also Hourihane, Rhodes & Marriott. So much short term pressure on managers to deliver results that they don't want to lose their job by picking players on their potential, rather than their current ability. | |
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| Josh Harrop on 11:28 - Dec 13 with 1588 views | hype313 |
| Josh Harrop on 17:43 - Dec 12 by Keno |
I knew it was something like that!!
Peak Bantz Era? |
Bantz Era?
If you class a play off winning RB Banter Era then yes, but he was well before the shenanigans that followed years later. |  |
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| Josh Harrop on 11:55 - Dec 13 with 1555 views | Hipsterectomy |
I remember under Mick we signed some random “past-it but were once excellent in this league” players. Paddy Kenny, St Ledger, Ebanks Blake, Leon Best, Stephen Gleeson, Kevin Foley, Jack Collison etc
They were all pretty awful, ineffective, a shadow of who they were, couldn’t be arsed, or never even played for us |  |
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| Josh Harrop on 12:11 - Dec 13 with 1526 views | PhilTWTD |
| Josh Harrop on 10:16 - Dec 13 by itfcjoe |
At the time we had Waghorn, Garner, McGoldick and Sears - when ME asked MM whether Moore would play the answer was no, but Mick would have kept him out on loan rather than cashed in on him |
Mick felt he was moping around the training ground when he came back from Rotherham and wasn't playing. Think Barnsley offered a fee they felt they couldn't turn down for someone so far back in the pecking order. | | | |
| Josh Harrop on 12:20 - Dec 13 with 1506 views | Churchman |
| Josh Harrop on 11:55 - Dec 13 by Hipsterectomy |
I remember under Mick we signed some random “past-it but were once excellent in this league” players. Paddy Kenny, St Ledger, Ebanks Blake, Leon Best, Stephen Gleeson, Kevin Foley, Jack Collison etc
They were all pretty awful, ineffective, a shadow of who they were, couldn’t be arsed, or never even played for us |
Not forgetting Nathan ‘Duke’ Ellington. Waddled in on a two year contract. 17 appearances zero goals. Lethal in front of a Happy Meal he may have been. In front of goal? Never even got there. Taxi! Those days were long gone. Let’s just say he was paid sy £2k a week. That means he lumbered off with about £200k in his pocket for standing around a bit between meals. Not bad work if you can get it.
The grisly selection above were a horror bunch too. Even a pair of jacamo shorts struggled to cover Eubanks Blake’s rear end. Then there were loanees. The two that leap to mind are Chris Wood and Jimmy Bullard. Wood was enormous and blowing hard before a game started. Waste of space. Next season at Leeds, he came out about three stone lighter, fit as a butchers dog and scoring for fun.
Bullard the opposite. Great loan spell, got a contract and looked like he spent the summer on the lash and filling his face. The state of him.
Thank goodness the Evans era is history. Everything about the club looks and feels so much more professional, regardless of how the team goes the rest of this season. |  | | |
| Josh Harrop on 12:28 - Dec 13 with 1484 views | PhilTWTD |
| Josh Harrop on 10:27 - Dec 13 by Radlett_blue |
Oliver Hawkins was a reasonably successful lower league striker until Portsmouth used him to fill in at centre back so that when he came to Town, it was primarily as a striker, although again he could have played centre back at a push. Aged 30, he may now feature more as a defender.
Ian Marshall was the reverse, initially a centre back until Joe Royle successfully converted him to a striker at Oldham. I doubt he ever played in defence for Town. |
If I remember rightly, JR wanted him to play at centre-half at Oldham, which was why he wanted to move and hence his celebration when he scored on his debut at Oldham.
Richard Naylor was originally a centre-half in the academy, they were short on strikers, so he went up front and stayed there and broke into the first team before ultimately returning to the defence. | | | |
| Josh Harrop on 12:37 - Dec 13 with 1465 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Josh Harrop on 12:20 - Dec 13 by Churchman |
Not forgetting Nathan ‘Duke’ Ellington. Waddled in on a two year contract. 17 appearances zero goals. Lethal in front of a Happy Meal he may have been. In front of goal? Never even got there. Taxi! Those days were long gone. Let’s just say he was paid sy £2k a week. That means he lumbered off with about £200k in his pocket for standing around a bit between meals. Not bad work if you can get it.
The grisly selection above were a horror bunch too. Even a pair of jacamo shorts struggled to cover Eubanks Blake’s rear end. Then there were loanees. The two that leap to mind are Chris Wood and Jimmy Bullard. Wood was enormous and blowing hard before a game started. Waste of space. Next season at Leeds, he came out about three stone lighter, fit as a butchers dog and scoring for fun.
Bullard the opposite. Great loan spell, got a contract and looked like he spent the summer on the lash and filling his face. The state of him.
Thank goodness the Evans era is history. Everything about the club looks and feels so much more professional, regardless of how the team goes the rest of this season. |
Re Bullard - I saw him at V Festival absolutely off his face on 20th August 2011. He then signed for us on 25th August 2011. | | | |
| Josh Harrop on 12:40 - Dec 13 with 1456 views | itfcjoe |
| Josh Harrop on 12:28 - Dec 13 by PhilTWTD |
If I remember rightly, JR wanted him to play at centre-half at Oldham, which was why he wanted to move and hence his celebration when he scored on his debut at Oldham.
Richard Naylor was originally a centre-half in the academy, they were short on strikers, so he went up front and stayed there and broke into the first team before ultimately returning to the defence. |
JR said he could play for England if he focussed on being a CB | |
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