| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we 19:40 - Feb 11 with 44860 views | textbackup |
Even a draw after pissing about going 2-0 down isn’t good enough.
We were fcking top, points clear.
This is an absolute shtshow, we’ll probably nick a 5th 6th place finish due to the sheer amount of sht we have left to play… but I don’t see us getting anything from barnsley Bolton or Derby, might nick a point or two if we are lucky, which really then gives nobody any hope that the playoffs will result in anything but 82726 passes then concede from the only shot or two we have against us.
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:02 - May 5 with 1992 views | StokieBlue |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 09:56 - May 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Don't worry a about SB. He has history of being the one who jumps on people.
He tells people to stand by their posts. Yet he refused to acknowledge he agreed at one point morsy needed dropping.
Best to pop him on ignore. Makes your life so much nice on here.
I've had my say back to him this morning as feel he needs to understand he's a hypocrite, but he can go back on ignore now as I've enjoyed this forum recently. |
Ahem.
That is another lie from you.
I once said he could do with a rest for a game, I did not say he needed dropping - those two things are completely different. You said he needed dropping because he wasn't playing well, wasn't involved in games and was running too slowly. Unbelieve that you would try and spin the context you have out of what was actually said but I guess it's to be expected from you.
Hypocrite? Sigh.
Utterly disingenuous.
Please do pop me back on ignore.
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| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 10:03 - May 5 with 1971 views | N2_Blue |
| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 09:39 - May 5 by J2BLUE |
How far can we go back to challenge people's views? Getting kind of tired of seeing you of all people taking issue with the opinions of others.
I remember our heated debates about the takeover which you were not in favour of. Now you want to act like the oracle. You didn't see the bigger picture then did you? If you had your way we would still be under Marcus Evans.
Everyone is throwing stones from their glass houses. Disappointing that all people really seem to want to do is get one over on other posters.
Perhaps we should just all enjoy some success and stop trying to score points on the internet? |
I’m not going to argue with you but me not in favour of the takeover?? I’m not sure about that. I remember saying repeatedly that I didn’t believe it was happening and I thought had reliable information to back that up but I admittedly I was wrong…. But that’s completely different to not wanting the take over.
I’m just bored of the kind of mentality of fan that at any opportunity gets negative even when there is so much positive happening in front of them. It’s called looking at the bigger picture and understanding a few nuances sometimes, not everything is black and white. Admittedly it’s not many but they are the ones that shout the most and post non stop sometimes.
I get it, it’s a natural viewpoint when we’ve had years of little joy but I respect those views who don’t just comment based on results or oh it’s typical Ipswich. We drew a few games, we weren’t even losing them and people were saying the wheels had fallen off or that we’d fecked it.
The season is 46 games. It’s the same sort of posters who go mental when 1-0 down in a game still in the first half. A game is 90 mins. Comment on the situation, be annoyed of course as we all are when losing but don’t make statements based on that being the result when the game is still not over.
Anyway I’m probably wasting my time sending this to you because you always seem to like to jump into assumptions with me. Enjoy Sunday and celebrating an amazing season - all of us. |  |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:08 - May 5 with 1943 views | N2_Blue |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:02 - May 5 by clive_baker |
It wasn't valid though was it, and it's not hindsight for those who were saying the same at the time, it's foresight. It was only perfectly valid to those that were happy to draw all their conclusions from the scoreline of a single low scoring event, with opinions that change with the wind depending on how we got on that week. It was quite evident when watching us that we were developing into a force at L1 level, and still had every chance of a successful season.
Results are one thing, performances are another. We've routinely topped the league on just about every metric accepted of dominant sides. Opposing managers like Joey Barton have gone from 'probably as bad as a group of players as Ipswich have had in a long time' a few years ago to 'sorry we couldn't try and give you a game, you're just too good'.
Statistically we've battered almost everyone we've faced from the first whistle of the season to the last. We've lost 4 games all season. 1 was a farce in the fog at Oxford that should have been postponed, 1 was away at likely Champions Plymouth where we were every bit good for a point, and the other 2 were 1-0 defeats in games we utterly dominated. Against Lincoln at home we had 77% of the ball and 33 shots at goal to their 3, yet lost 0-1. We've had draws at home to Barnsley and away to Sheffield Wednesday where we were utterly robbed by sh1te referees. Performances don't always translate to results. Sometimes football works like that. Sometimes you don't get what you deserve on a game by game basis, but these things tend to work themselves out over a season.
We also had notable injuries in key positions, especially centrally, and a period of adjustment as January signings came into the side. Despite this, our 'bad spell' was pretty much a draw at home to Plymouth, who I think were good for it tbh, but relied on a 94th minute deflected equaliser, draw at home to Fleetwood thanks to a spawny 96th minute equaliser, draw at home to Cheltenham where we utterly, utterly d1cked them in a game that would've been stopped early in Boxing. That's probably the best example of a game that people wet themselves over when in reality it was a similarly dominant performance that saw us beat sides 4-0, and would've been the same result on another day. Plus draws at Cambridge and Bristol Rovers, both of which the stats will show we dominated. That's pretty much the extent of our 'poor form' that caused such an overreaction. It was probably exacerbated by the relentless form of SW and Plymouth, but the reaction wasn't valid or proportionate at all. |
As ever you’ve nailed it here CB and put it across far better than I could. People would do well to read his post to see why the majority didn’t press the panic button when we had a little dip in form. And that’s all it was a dip - a few draws, eve only lost 4 games all season! | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:10 - May 5 with 1922 views | TalkingBlues |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:02 - May 5 by clive_baker |
It wasn't valid though was it, and it's not hindsight for those who were saying the same at the time, it's foresight. It was only perfectly valid to those that were happy to draw all their conclusions from the scoreline of a single low scoring event, with opinions that change with the wind depending on how we got on that week. It was quite evident when watching us that we were developing into a force at L1 level, and still had every chance of a successful season.
Results are one thing, performances are another. We've routinely topped the league on just about every metric accepted of dominant sides. Opposing managers like Joey Barton have gone from 'probably as bad as a group of players as Ipswich have had in a long time' a few years ago to 'sorry we couldn't try and give you a game, you're just too good'.
Statistically we've battered almost everyone we've faced from the first whistle of the season to the last. We've lost 4 games all season. 1 was a farce in the fog at Oxford that should have been postponed, 1 was away at likely Champions Plymouth where we were every bit good for a point, and the other 2 were 1-0 defeats in games we utterly dominated. Against Lincoln at home we had 77% of the ball and 33 shots at goal to their 3, yet lost 0-1. We've had draws at home to Barnsley and away to Sheffield Wednesday where we were utterly robbed by sh1te referees. Performances don't always translate to results. Sometimes football works like that. Sometimes you don't get what you deserve on a game by game basis, but these things tend to work themselves out over a season.
We also had notable injuries in key positions, especially centrally, and a period of adjustment as January signings came into the side. Despite this, our 'bad spell' was pretty much a draw at home to Plymouth, who I think were good for it tbh, but relied on a 94th minute deflected equaliser, draw at home to Fleetwood thanks to a spawny 96th minute equaliser, draw at home to Cheltenham where we utterly, utterly d1cked them in a game that would've been stopped early in Boxing. That's probably the best example of a game that people wet themselves over when in reality it was a similarly dominant performance that saw us beat sides 4-0, and would've been the same result on another day. Plus draws at Cambridge and Bristol Rovers, both of which the stats will show we dominated. That's pretty much the extent of our 'poor form' that caused such an overreaction. It was probably exacerbated by the relentless form of SW and Plymouth, but the reaction wasn't valid or proportionate at all. |
The comments on "poor form" were actually related to giving away a 15 point lead to 5 or 6 teams in a chasing pack below us and the same amount to Sheffield Wednesday who leap frogged us in the table, to a position of being 7 or 8 points ahead, with games in hand on us, not to one specific game at all.
If that's not a poor run, compared to half the rest of the league who gained on us, I really don't know what is, the views expressed on that run of form were valid at the time, as I've said previously. Fortunately, Wednesday imploded and even with a record breaking run of results by our team, we still only narrowly made our way into automatics and were still sh1tting the bed about points with just 3 games to go in the season. |  |
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| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 10:13 - May 5 with 1904 views | J2BLUE |
| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 10:03 - May 5 by N2_Blue |
I’m not going to argue with you but me not in favour of the takeover?? I’m not sure about that. I remember saying repeatedly that I didn’t believe it was happening and I thought had reliable information to back that up but I admittedly I was wrong…. But that’s completely different to not wanting the take over.
I’m just bored of the kind of mentality of fan that at any opportunity gets negative even when there is so much positive happening in front of them. It’s called looking at the bigger picture and understanding a few nuances sometimes, not everything is black and white. Admittedly it’s not many but they are the ones that shout the most and post non stop sometimes.
I get it, it’s a natural viewpoint when we’ve had years of little joy but I respect those views who don’t just comment based on results or oh it’s typical Ipswich. We drew a few games, we weren’t even losing them and people were saying the wheels had fallen off or that we’d fecked it.
The season is 46 games. It’s the same sort of posters who go mental when 1-0 down in a game still in the first half. A game is 90 mins. Comment on the situation, be annoyed of course as we all are when losing but don’t make statements based on that being the result when the game is still not over.
Anyway I’m probably wasting my time sending this to you because you always seem to like to jump into assumptions with me. Enjoy Sunday and celebrating an amazing season - all of us. |
I'm not being funny but you are not arguing because you know it's the truth. I don't know if the posts are still available to go back and read but it is absolutely true that you were not in favour of it and thought it was too big a risk. I am not jumping to conclusions or looking to have a go. I have no problem with you. I just hate threads like this being revived to have a pop.
This thread was made by someone who goes home and away, who live and breathes Town. Two hours or so after the final whistle. It's anger, frustration, passion and understandable so giving that we all thought Plymouth and Wednesday were going to be where we really turned it around. This thread is over a decade of frustration and passion boiling over. Now it's revived and looked at in a completely different light. It's just ridiculous.
Again, I don't have any problem with you. I don't want to bang on about the past. Let's just give each other a break though. I could go and bump 10 threads/posts from people giving it large about they were never in doubt but what's the point? Not worth my effort. |  |
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| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 10:14 - May 5 with 1897 views | blueasfook |
| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 09:29 - May 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"Why people are keen to bring up posts like this op.. and then say people need to Learn lessons. There's no lessons to be learnt."
There is one. Patience. |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:16 - May 5 with 1892 views | TalkingBlues |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 09:56 - May 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Don't worry a about SB. He has history of being the one who jumps on people.
He tells people to stand by their posts. Yet he refused to acknowledge he agreed at one point morsy needed dropping.
Best to pop him on ignore. Makes your life so much nice on here.
I've had my say back to him this morning as feel he needs to understand he's a hypocrite, but he can go back on ignore now as I've enjoyed this forum recently. |
This whole thread this morning is just an excuse to cause aggro by the same lot who do it every time, it's boring, innit.
You enjoy promotion mate, I am loving it. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:16 - May 5 with 1891 views | Vaughan8 |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 07:57 - May 5 by textbackup |
Already said I’m not embarrassed, I really honestly couldn’t give a single toss what you think about it.
Reacted how I did, but we’ve got promotion, so for me that’s all that matters.
It’s an emotional sport, I get wrapped up in it. I’m not sorry for that. And at the end of the day it was a few words on a website, I’ve not marched to an away end and beat the sht out of people in a rage.
I thought we’d end up in the playoffs, we haven’t. I’m happy. Hope you are too [Post edited 5 May 2023 8:20]
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yeah for sure. I remember a lot of threads like this at the time, and people have to understand that pressure does funny things. If you told me we'd go on our run we have at that time, i'd say we'd win the league then Plymouth have done incredibly well to stay there. I thought they would crumble instead of Sheff wed.
We've lost 4 games all season, and the results were'nt that poor to warrant this post but we are all different. we were just drawing too many games.
We all get things wrong though and there were a lot of threads similar to this around the time so I think someone has unfortunately picked your one to bump up! [Post edited 5 May 2023 10:18]
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:17 - May 5 with 1888 views | NeedhamChris |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 08:42 - May 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Your posts earlier in the thread weren't exactly intelligent contributions.
I like the bit where Bobbychase called you "nonsense on stilts"  |
As much as I appreciate you bringing that up, he wasn't wrong.
Although it's better to have an incorrect view than not express one at all! | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:20 - May 5 with 1880 views | N2_Blue |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:10 - May 5 by TalkingBlues |
The comments on "poor form" were actually related to giving away a 15 point lead to 5 or 6 teams in a chasing pack below us and the same amount to Sheffield Wednesday who leap frogged us in the table, to a position of being 7 or 8 points ahead, with games in hand on us, not to one specific game at all.
If that's not a poor run, compared to half the rest of the league who gained on us, I really don't know what is, the views expressed on that run of form were valid at the time, as I've said previously. Fortunately, Wednesday imploded and even with a record breaking run of results by our team, we still only narrowly made our way into automatics and were still sh1tting the bed about points with just 3 games to go in the season. |
But that is also down to incredible form of another team that just doesn’t generally happen. I don’t get this thing of oh, look we be only just got past sheff Weds because our form was terrible for a few weeks and we needed an exceptional run. Our form was not terrible, it was a dip and we dropped points stupidly but it was only a matter of time before the goals went in from the chances we’d been making. Both teams also had exceptional runs. Weds went 23 unbeaten so why is that unremarkable for them but then only a remarkable run gets us above them. The season is 46 games. We had our injuries earlier on, Weds had them towards the end of the season. It’s better to look at the season as a whole rather than individual runs of form. We played far better football over the season. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:23 - May 5 with 1852 views | NeedhamChris |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 09:33 - May 5 by StokieBlue |
One must own their historical opinions or give a good reason why they have moved from that default position.
It seems to be a trend on here to say "my opinions are in the moment" so they one can post absolute nonsense which isn't supported by any evidence and then forget about it without expecting anyone to highlight it at a later date.
It's a fire-and-forget strategy from some whose hands start to shake if they haven't posted a certain amount that day.
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I think it's a little bit more nuanced than that.
There's always going to be a "heat of the moment" response to events. Football in particular is one of the most emotionally polarising things there is. Take the mood swing between the 92nd and 99th minutes at Charlton for example - elation to misery.
I think it's a little too fashionable these days to hold people to their previous opinions or reactions. I agree with you that they remain relevant and any movement away should have decent justification, but at the same time I don't think it's helpful to show a lack of tolerance to those who do change their minds. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:23 - May 5 with 1844 views | clive_baker |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:10 - May 5 by TalkingBlues |
The comments on "poor form" were actually related to giving away a 15 point lead to 5 or 6 teams in a chasing pack below us and the same amount to Sheffield Wednesday who leap frogged us in the table, to a position of being 7 or 8 points ahead, with games in hand on us, not to one specific game at all.
If that's not a poor run, compared to half the rest of the league who gained on us, I really don't know what is, the views expressed on that run of form were valid at the time, as I've said previously. Fortunately, Wednesday imploded and even with a record breaking run of results by our team, we still only narrowly made our way into automatics and were still sh1tting the bed about points with just 3 games to go in the season. |
Yes we had a poor run of results, I think most people would agree with that. The point is if you scratch beneath the surface and look beyond the scoreline, there were always reasons to believe we were (and are) on to a very good thing here, with a season that could (and has) still prove fruitful. Cheltenham at home was a poor result, 1-1. That's as 1 sided a game as you'll see at this level, 9 times out of 10 we win that by some margin, and lo and behold we have done in similar fixtures with similar performances.
Fortunately its a 46 game season, not a 7 game season, it helps smooth out such spells. At the half way stage of the season we were on 48 points, 50% of the games played and 50% of the total ultimately required for top 2. We're likely to finish on 100 goals, maybe 100 points and a GD potentially pushing +70. There's no fortune, SW had spells and so did we, that's how football works, we won't win every week. They're as fortunate that our dominance in January didn't translate to as many points it deserved. |  |
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| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 10:34 - May 5 with 1765 views | N2_Blue |
| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 10:13 - May 5 by J2BLUE |
I'm not being funny but you are not arguing because you know it's the truth. I don't know if the posts are still available to go back and read but it is absolutely true that you were not in favour of it and thought it was too big a risk. I am not jumping to conclusions or looking to have a go. I have no problem with you. I just hate threads like this being revived to have a pop.
This thread was made by someone who goes home and away, who live and breathes Town. Two hours or so after the final whistle. It's anger, frustration, passion and understandable so giving that we all thought Plymouth and Wednesday were going to be where we really turned it around. This thread is over a decade of frustration and passion boiling over. Now it's revived and looked at in a completely different light. It's just ridiculous.
Again, I don't have any problem with you. I don't want to bang on about the past. Let's just give each other a break though. I could go and bump 10 threads/posts from people giving it large about they were never in doubt but what's the point? Not worth my effort. |
I don’t agree with you and you’re continuing to say things that couldn’t be further from truth which is a shame.
Any take over is a risk, I didn’t say I was not in favour though, cautionary is very different. Also I’m not looking to point score I’m just trying to point out fans take negativity to unnecessary levels and I actually find it slightly sad when I see from a die hard enthusiastic fan, maybe that’s why I took issue with it here.
I’ve always enjoyed Texters posts but there was very much a different tone to them this year. I just found it surprising because I know he is a die hard and I thought he’d revel all through this season because it always looked to me like showing it was going to be our first thing to celebrate in 23 years. I’m glad he’s enjoying it now like all our fans but I feel it’s a shame he was on such a downer for so much of it, unnecessarily so. I rode the emotions too and had frustration at times but I never thought we wouldn’t do it, and had we have finished outside the top 2 I’d have just held my hands up to two exceptional performances from other teams which don’t ever usually happen to that degree.
Anyway I’m leaving it to because you seem a reasonable guy and I don’t want to squabble with you. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:34 - May 5 with 1766 views | NeedhamChris |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 09:24 - May 5 by textbackup |
I mean I didn’t dare mention the freakish run we went on to achieve what we have, worried the board gurus would spin it that I’m this that or the other…
I’m just so very grateful that we have the backing we have to inject £3/4m of player into the squad in Jan, the manager to work his magic, and the players on board.
(Don’t dare say it - but part of me will be a little gutted if we don’t win the league due to dropped points, but not the end of the world is it) |
Couldn't agree more with this.
I'm absolutely delighted with the run we went on - but let's not say there was NO evidence of any concern. This period was a genuine concern
There's a massive difference between no evidence and poor evidence. With hindsight the evidence was poor and those that focussed on performances were proved right). But to be honest, like many I just wanted to get the hell out of this horrible league - and fair play to anyone who thought we were about to go on a 13 wins in 14 run and have the best form in Europe, as I didn't see that coming and ultimately that's what we needed. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:42 - May 5 with 1714 views | TalkingBlues |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:23 - May 5 by clive_baker |
Yes we had a poor run of results, I think most people would agree with that. The point is if you scratch beneath the surface and look beyond the scoreline, there were always reasons to believe we were (and are) on to a very good thing here, with a season that could (and has) still prove fruitful. Cheltenham at home was a poor result, 1-1. That's as 1 sided a game as you'll see at this level, 9 times out of 10 we win that by some margin, and lo and behold we have done in similar fixtures with similar performances.
Fortunately its a 46 game season, not a 7 game season, it helps smooth out such spells. At the half way stage of the season we were on 48 points, 50% of the games played and 50% of the total ultimately required for top 2. We're likely to finish on 100 goals, maybe 100 points and a GD potentially pushing +70. There's no fortune, SW had spells and so did we, that's how football works, we won't win every week. They're as fortunate that our dominance in January didn't translate to as many points it deserved. |
I don't disagree with a lot of that and we certainly found ourselves in a better position both on and off the field, the new owners, CEO, manager etc were all a breath of fresh air.
However, at the time of the OP, we were on a poor run that looked like it would almost certainly cost us automatic promotion this season, as it required us to produce a record breaking end to the season and other sides to drop points too, something that nobody saw coming. As it turns out, both occurred and we're up (COYB!!) and not before bloody time either I might say, looking forward to seeing who we manage to sign in the summer and I'm quietly confident that we can produce a very good league finish in the Championship next season, but having watched a couple of Championship games recently, we definitely need 4 or 5 signings IMO as the quality of player across the park is quite a jump from a lot of what we've faced in league 1 this season by the looks of things. | |
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| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 10:51 - May 5 with 1661 views | J2BLUE |
| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 10:34 - May 5 by N2_Blue |
I don’t agree with you and you’re continuing to say things that couldn’t be further from truth which is a shame.
Any take over is a risk, I didn’t say I was not in favour though, cautionary is very different. Also I’m not looking to point score I’m just trying to point out fans take negativity to unnecessary levels and I actually find it slightly sad when I see from a die hard enthusiastic fan, maybe that’s why I took issue with it here.
I’ve always enjoyed Texters posts but there was very much a different tone to them this year. I just found it surprising because I know he is a die hard and I thought he’d revel all through this season because it always looked to me like showing it was going to be our first thing to celebrate in 23 years. I’m glad he’s enjoying it now like all our fans but I feel it’s a shame he was on such a downer for so much of it, unnecessarily so. I rode the emotions too and had frustration at times but I never thought we wouldn’t do it, and had we have finished outside the top 2 I’d have just held my hands up to two exceptional performances from other teams which don’t ever usually happen to that degree.
Anyway I’m leaving it to because you seem a reasonable guy and I don’t want to squabble with you. |
I don’t agree with you and you’re continuing to say things that couldn’t be further from truth which is a shame.
This is simply not true. I am not the only one who remembers this.
I don't want to argue either but I am not having you saying i'm being dishonest. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:51 - May 5 with 1658 views | TalkingBlues |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:34 - May 5 by NeedhamChris |
Couldn't agree more with this.
I'm absolutely delighted with the run we went on - but let's not say there was NO evidence of any concern. This period was a genuine concern
There's a massive difference between no evidence and poor evidence. With hindsight the evidence was poor and those that focussed on performances were proved right). But to be honest, like many I just wanted to get the hell out of this horrible league - and fair play to anyone who thought we were about to go on a 13 wins in 14 run and have the best form in Europe, as I didn't see that coming and ultimately that's what we needed. |
Nail on the head, there was very good reason to be worried at the time, it wasn't a couple of games, in a short spell, it was a third of a season and even with a record breaking run of results, we were still left needing other teams to drop points to achieve an automatic spot. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:52 - May 5 with 1654 views | clive_baker |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:42 - May 5 by TalkingBlues |
I don't disagree with a lot of that and we certainly found ourselves in a better position both on and off the field, the new owners, CEO, manager etc were all a breath of fresh air.
However, at the time of the OP, we were on a poor run that looked like it would almost certainly cost us automatic promotion this season, as it required us to produce a record breaking end to the season and other sides to drop points too, something that nobody saw coming. As it turns out, both occurred and we're up (COYB!!) and not before bloody time either I might say, looking forward to seeing who we manage to sign in the summer and I'm quietly confident that we can produce a very good league finish in the Championship next season, but having watched a couple of Championship games recently, we definitely need 4 or 5 signings IMO as the quality of player across the park is quite a jump from a lot of what we've faced in league 1 this season by the looks of things. |
Championship is definitely a step up, I wouldn't disagree about the personnel changes needed if we are wanting to go from top L1 side to top Championship side. As it stands I would say we're the best side in L1, and would hold our own / midtable in the league above. There's definitely a tranche of players I would expect to take to that level without too many issues (a number have played there already with some success), but you wonder if the depth is there beyond that core. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:54 - May 5 with 1636 views | Churchman |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:23 - May 5 by clive_baker |
Yes we had a poor run of results, I think most people would agree with that. The point is if you scratch beneath the surface and look beyond the scoreline, there were always reasons to believe we were (and are) on to a very good thing here, with a season that could (and has) still prove fruitful. Cheltenham at home was a poor result, 1-1. That's as 1 sided a game as you'll see at this level, 9 times out of 10 we win that by some margin, and lo and behold we have done in similar fixtures with similar performances.
Fortunately its a 46 game season, not a 7 game season, it helps smooth out such spells. At the half way stage of the season we were on 48 points, 50% of the games played and 50% of the total ultimately required for top 2. We're likely to finish on 100 goals, maybe 100 points and a GD potentially pushing +70. There's no fortune, SW had spells and so did we, that's how football works, we won't win every week. They're as fortunate that our dominance in January didn't translate to as many points it deserved. |
I would add that sometimes you also have to credit the opposition. Even the smallest clubs have professional players that train and want it as much as ours. It’s their careers. We have no divine right to win. We have to earn it.
For example, we conceded late goals at Charlton and should have walked away with the points, but you have to give their players credit for sticking at it. Same with Port Vale, Cheltenham and indeed Oxford who basically handled the conditions better than us.
In terms of poor run of results, we did have a dip for various reasons but the form of our rivals certainly made it feel worse. Plymouth was odd in that they had odd horrific results but always bounced back. Wednesday - they have quite an old team, lost key players at a bad time and lost the rhythm of winning games.
But hey, we deservedly got there in the end. Assuming we avoid losing Sunday, four defeats in a season. Remarkable. In the process we outplayed just about everyone some or all of the time and the business end of the season? Wow, just wow. Happy days. |  | | |
| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 11:01 - May 5 with 1607 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 10:01 - May 5 by FrimleyBlue |
That's the thing though. The forum is a place to discuss things as they happen. If it's not.. should it exist during the season? Is it something that should just be open in summer? So you can discuss how you hope things go. Then discuss a year later how it went. |
Yeah, I think the forum should exist during the season. Because most people don't fall over themselves on a constant basis. |  |
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| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 11:17 - May 5 with 1535 views | NeedhamChris |
| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 11:01 - May 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Yeah, I think the forum should exist during the season. Because most people don't fall over themselves on a constant basis. |
No, but equally there's a whole raft of previous opinions that people have been able to move away from that aren't extended to everyone.
You ‘cook out’ idiots by unstableblue 7 Dec 2021 21:44It was always the players, always, couldn’t you see that??
Worst Town performance since Micks last season.
One of the key runs of fixtures and we sack the manager.
NO WAY WE WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT BAD WITH COOK IN CHARGE!!!
Running towards adversity by MaySixth 7 Dec 2021 22:45Or just run away and sack the manager at the first sign of trouble
Good luck with Ashton and the Yanks
As clueless as some of our fans
I don't see anyone suggesting that posters like this should have to justify their enjoyment of promotion, or justify why they're happy now when they weren't before - and nor should they have to! | |
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| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 11:19 - May 5 with 1512 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I hate this practice of bringing old posts up on 11:01 - May 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Yeah, I think the forum should exist during the season. Because most people don't fall over themselves on a constant basis. |
Then by accepting that it's open during the whole season. You should really accept that people will air views based on what's happening at that specific time.
If the requirement is just be patient... then what's the point of it in-between summers.. |  |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 11:25 - May 5 with 1476 views | Vegtablue |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:42 - May 5 by TalkingBlues |
I don't disagree with a lot of that and we certainly found ourselves in a better position both on and off the field, the new owners, CEO, manager etc were all a breath of fresh air.
However, at the time of the OP, we were on a poor run that looked like it would almost certainly cost us automatic promotion this season, as it required us to produce a record breaking end to the season and other sides to drop points too, something that nobody saw coming. As it turns out, both occurred and we're up (COYB!!) and not before bloody time either I might say, looking forward to seeing who we manage to sign in the summer and I'm quietly confident that we can produce a very good league finish in the Championship next season, but having watched a couple of Championship games recently, we definitely need 4 or 5 signings IMO as the quality of player across the park is quite a jump from a lot of what we've faced in league 1 this season by the looks of things. |
You say "and other sides to drop points too, something that nobody saw coming" TB.. I think if you asked fans at the time this thread began - will 98 points and a GD in the +60s be enough for automatic promotion (parking the 101 points possibly for the moment)? - the answer would be confident and affirmative.
This sh!tting the bed talk, relying on a Wednesday implosion, is a disservice to what has been achieved really. Wednesday delivered the 4th best form in the league from this period onwards. 2 PPG from them wouldn't have been enough to keep ahead. I thought we were destined for the playoffs from mid-February because the two teams above would largely continue their pace and they have. If you told Wednesday and Plymouth fans after the Bristol Rovers game that they'd both still need to clear 100 points.. well they wouldn't have believed you.
I didn't think we were capable of 13 wins and 2 draws in those last 15, looking at the opposition still in our way, the makeshift central midfield, our unreliability in front of goal. I thought we could rediscover the 2 PPG formula and win the playoffs so I'd by no means given up on the season, but 2.73 PPG from since the Bristol Rovers draw is pinch-yourself territory.
Even in the unluckiest season of all time (this one here from a Wednesday perspective) we're a good distance short of potentially 101 points being only good enough for 3rd place. | | | |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 11:26 - May 5 with 1467 views | textbackup |
Altogether now….
🎵 WE ARE GOING UP SAY WE ARE GOING UP 🎵 | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 11:30 - May 5 with 1424 views | hype313 |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 11:26 - May 5 by textbackup |
Altogether now….
🎵 WE ARE GOING UP SAY WE ARE GOING UP 🎵 |
Tiresome when people drag these threads out, everyone, and I mean everyone was feeling desolate at that time, and anyone saying otherwise is lying.
Even certain podcasters were calling for his head and wanting him replaced with Allardyce. |  |
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