| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we 19:40 - Feb 11 with 44851 views | textbackup |
Even a draw after pissing about going 2-0 down isn’t good enough.
We were fcking top, points clear.
This is an absolute shtshow, we’ll probably nick a 5th 6th place finish due to the sheer amount of sht we have left to play… but I don’t see us getting anything from barnsley Bolton or Derby, might nick a point or two if we are lucky, which really then gives nobody any hope that the playoffs will result in anything but 82726 passes then concede from the only shot or two we have against us.
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 15:29 - Feb 13 with 2800 views | itfcjoe |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 15:14 - Feb 13 by FrimleyBlue |
You only have to look at season ticket sales under Mick and McKenna. Day and Night.
Well it's no shock the sales are high. New owners. New manager. Money to spend. Promotion expected.
St sales and attendances were healthy ( for that regime) under lambert and that was after relegation. The expectation was storming the league and promotion.
Again let's see how ST fare if we don't go up this or next season before that can even be used as a viable difference. Far far to early.
"You don't get that under KM"
Well that's not true. We do get it in some games. Some of those games were most recent ones.
"You're also talking about a new era currently" - well no, it was you who were equating Mick's time to McKenna's, not me. They're not comparable by any measure really."
What I meant was. It's a new era. New manager and people are on a high. If this project fails. It'll be interesting in years to come if this will still be considered the best football the club has had since Burley.
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One thing that is seemingly forgotten about is with the budget Mick had, just avoiding a relegation fight was an achievement, whereas with KMs the expectations are rightfully much higher.
There are obvious reasons why we played a poorer style under Mick in the main, and that was because we didn't have the quality of player to do more - if we played that way with this budget in this league then it would be promotion or the sack because it has to get the end result.
We are clearly a very good side now, and we should be with our budget - if promotion doesn't happen it is going to be hugely disappointing, but we'd be the favourites for next season straight away and have a squad with the same levels of quality but more experience but expectations would be ramped up even higher. |  |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 15:41 - Feb 13 with 2739 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 15:29 - Feb 13 by itfcjoe |
One thing that is seemingly forgotten about is with the budget Mick had, just avoiding a relegation fight was an achievement, whereas with KMs the expectations are rightfully much higher.
There are obvious reasons why we played a poorer style under Mick in the main, and that was because we didn't have the quality of player to do more - if we played that way with this budget in this league then it would be promotion or the sack because it has to get the end result.
We are clearly a very good side now, and we should be with our budget - if promotion doesn't happen it is going to be hugely disappointing, but we'd be the favourites for next season straight away and have a squad with the same levels of quality but more experience but expectations would be ramped up even higher. |
I think the footballs good until people run out of patience.
Hopefully we don't even get to that point as it means we've got that promotion we all crave for. But if by May 2024 we haven't gone up.. I just can't see the football still being praised as much as it is now. |  |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 15:58 - Feb 13 with 2690 views | chicoazul |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 15:29 - Feb 13 by itfcjoe |
One thing that is seemingly forgotten about is with the budget Mick had, just avoiding a relegation fight was an achievement, whereas with KMs the expectations are rightfully much higher.
There are obvious reasons why we played a poorer style under Mick in the main, and that was because we didn't have the quality of player to do more - if we played that way with this budget in this league then it would be promotion or the sack because it has to get the end result.
We are clearly a very good side now, and we should be with our budget - if promotion doesn't happen it is going to be hugely disappointing, but we'd be the favourites for next season straight away and have a squad with the same levels of quality but more experience but expectations would be ramped up even higher. |
I note you and one or two other usually sensible high profile posters are already talking about If we are in this league next season etc which I find incredibly depressing. |  |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 16:21 - Feb 13 with 2653 views | mrfixit426 |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 15:58 - Feb 13 by chicoazul |
I note you and one or two other usually sensible high profile posters are already talking about If we are in this league next season etc which I find incredibly depressing. |
That's because you are part of the instant gratification society we now live in. Amazon deliveries the same day, video on demand etc. You demand success and you demand it right now.
These things take time. How long did it take Manchester City to win the Premier League once they had their massive investment? Four years.
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 16:25 - Feb 13 with 2643 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 16:21 - Feb 13 by mrfixit426 |
That's because you are part of the instant gratification society we now live in. Amazon deliveries the same day, video on demand etc. You demand success and you demand it right now.
These things take time. How long did it take Manchester City to win the Premier League once they had their massive investment? Four years.
Bore off. |
I don't think chicos looking to win the Premier league. Just beating teams like cambridge will do for now. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 16:26 - Feb 13 with 2640 views | mrfixit426 |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 16:25 - Feb 13 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't think chicos looking to win the Premier league. Just beating teams like cambridge will do for now. |
It's a relative argument.
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 16:37 - Feb 13 with 2593 views | StokieBlue |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 15:06 - Feb 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Who were you talking about then? |
An interesting question but unfortunately one which seems destined to be unanswered.
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 16:57 - Feb 13 with 2534 views | chicoazul |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 16:21 - Feb 13 by mrfixit426 |
That's because you are part of the instant gratification society we now live in. Amazon deliveries the same day, video on demand etc. You demand success and you demand it right now.
These things take time. How long did it take Manchester City to win the Premier League once they had their massive investment? Four years.
Bore off. |
I’ll forgive this rant since you have one of my all time favourite players as your avatar. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 17:55 - Feb 13 with 2437 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 15:14 - Feb 13 by FrimleyBlue |
You only have to look at season ticket sales under Mick and McKenna. Day and Night.
Well it's no shock the sales are high. New owners. New manager. Money to spend. Promotion expected.
St sales and attendances were healthy ( for that regime) under lambert and that was after relegation. The expectation was storming the league and promotion.
Again let's see how ST fare if we don't go up this or next season before that can even be used as a viable difference. Far far to early.
"You don't get that under KM"
Well that's not true. We do get it in some games. Some of those games were most recent ones.
"You're also talking about a new era currently" - well no, it was you who were equating Mick's time to McKenna's, not me. They're not comparable by any measure really."
What I meant was. It's a new era. New manager and people are on a high. If this project fails. It'll be interesting in years to come if this will still be considered the best football the club has had since Burley.
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"Well it's no shock the sales are high. New owners. New manager. Money to spend. Promotion expected."
Yeah true... but I was more making the point that under Mick ST sales were nosediving - I was even thinking of giving up myself, and many were on here (some did). And the reason was the turgid anti-football. You can't say the football was good to watch under Mick and just ignore why people were leaving in their droves.
"St sales and attendances were healthy ( for that regime) under lambert and that was after relegation."
We weren't comparing McKenna with Lambert, we were comparing him with Mick's style of football. It's like two different sports! |  |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 21:59 - Feb 13 with 2287 views | ibbleobble |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 13:42 - Feb 13 by FrimleyBlue |
See this is what I get annoyed about.
Best football since Burley... is it really?
Better than under Joe?
Better than micks 2015 season? |
Yes, on all counts. It’s as plain as day unless you like more direct football. |  | | |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 23:00 - Feb 13 with 2201 views | Ryorry |
No, not yet. |  |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 23:10 - Feb 13 with 2195 views | Ryorry |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 16:21 - Feb 13 by mrfixit426 |
That's because you are part of the instant gratification society we now live in. Amazon deliveries the same day, video on demand etc. You demand success and you demand it right now.
These things take time. How long did it take Manchester City to win the Premier League once they had their massive investment? Four years.
Bore off. |
I remember when the BlueMancs were in the second tier with us (must have been the mid 90s) & the two Clubs were absolutely on a par in struggling for promotion - they were known in Yorkshire pubs as the 'massives' due to their daft claims.
The primary reason for the dramatically diverged paths since then between us was quite simple - they got bought by a Sheik & we got bought by a Marcus. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 23:20 - Feb 13 with 2171 views | reusersfreekicks |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 14:57 - Feb 13 by FrimleyBlue |
I didn't say it was like micks. Both have very different styles. But whilst the back end of micks time wasn't great. People are to quick to forget about when it was going right the football was excellent to watch.
No different to KM football. When we are switched on. Its immense. But it can at times to as proven be very slow on build up and untroubled for the opposition. Ala cambridge.
You're also talking about a new era currently. If you're still saying the same thing in 3 years time with no promotion for example. It would be interesting to see if the football is still seen as the best since Burley. |
Utter nonsense even when going well under Mick the football was industrial at best. Really poor judgement again... |  | | |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 08:34 - Feb 14 with 1923 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 17:55 - Feb 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"Well it's no shock the sales are high. New owners. New manager. Money to spend. Promotion expected."
Yeah true... but I was more making the point that under Mick ST sales were nosediving - I was even thinking of giving up myself, and many were on here (some did). And the reason was the turgid anti-football. You can't say the football was good to watch under Mick and just ignore why people were leaving in their droves.
"St sales and attendances were healthy ( for that regime) under lambert and that was after relegation."
We weren't comparing McKenna with Lambert, we were comparing him with Mick's style of football. It's like two different sports! |
But despite what you say was turgid anti football, you can be pretty sure had we got promoted ST sales would have gone up.
A rightful comparison would be if KM was still here as long as Mick without success.. would the football keep attendences up, or the lack of success drive some away....
"We weren't comparing McKenna with Lambert, we were comparing him with Mick's style of football. It's like two different sports!"
You brought up ST sales as a sign that it's only because of KM football. It's not, not yet, it's excitement and expectation.
It's not 2 different sports BTW. Its football, one where a manager had no support to do his job but did what he could, and one who's been given the world and currently struggling to make the most of the opportunity.
For people to be claiming football right now is better than anything seen since Burley, whilst we struggle to beat the likes of Cambridge, Lincoln, Oxford etc in league 1, it's bizarre, it's not. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 08:42 - Feb 14 with 1897 views | StokieBlue |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 15:06 - Feb 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Who were you talking about then? |
Still posting on the thread but still ignoring your question.
Utterly disingenuous.
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 09:40 - Feb 14 with 1794 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 08:34 - Feb 14 by FrimleyBlue |
But despite what you say was turgid anti football, you can be pretty sure had we got promoted ST sales would have gone up.
A rightful comparison would be if KM was still here as long as Mick without success.. would the football keep attendences up, or the lack of success drive some away....
"We weren't comparing McKenna with Lambert, we were comparing him with Mick's style of football. It's like two different sports!"
You brought up ST sales as a sign that it's only because of KM football. It's not, not yet, it's excitement and expectation.
It's not 2 different sports BTW. Its football, one where a manager had no support to do his job but did what he could, and one who's been given the world and currently struggling to make the most of the opportunity.
For people to be claiming football right now is better than anything seen since Burley, whilst we struggle to beat the likes of Cambridge, Lincoln, Oxford etc in league 1, it's bizarre, it's not. |
We didn't go up though, or even remotely look like we would.
Yes, lack of success would drive some away. But that's not what made people leave in their DROVES under Mick. We've had a lack of success under loads of managers, but people haven't given up STs in the numbers they did under Mick.
I also didn't say the ST sales are so good ONLY because of KM football. You added "only" as a straw man, because your argument's weak.
I take the point that Mick had less financial support, but that's a side issue really. Your whole point is KM football isn't the best since Burley, and have bizarrely tried to argue Mick's football as a counter. Bonkers.
And struggling to beat the sides you mention isn't an issue of style.
What you've done, as you often do, is take a position too quickly/without thinking, realise it's wrong, and just keep digging/backing yourself into a corner. Even the greatest Mick fans on here wouldn't try to claim his football was as good as KM's. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 09:53 - Feb 14 with 1762 views | patrickswell |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 23:10 - Feb 13 by Ryorry |
I remember when the BlueMancs were in the second tier with us (must have been the mid 90s) & the two Clubs were absolutely on a par in struggling for promotion - they were known in Yorkshire pubs as the 'massives' due to their daft claims.
The primary reason for the dramatically diverged paths since then between us was quite simple - they got bought by a Sheik & we got bought by a Marcus. |
Indeed, but they also managed to bounce back quickly from relegation to the third tier (albeit through a once in a life time play off final) and even when they went down from the Premier League under Joe Royle, they were back in the Premier League again after a season, passing us on the way down. “See you in August 2003” we all thought…
….and on that tangent, among the many frustrations that come with following this club, our inability to ever bounce back quickly from a relegation is one of the thorniest issues. Town fans in 1986 must have looked at the way Norwich used to keep coming straight back up after relegations in 1974, 1981 and 1985 and thought, “Well if they can do it…” instead we spent 6 years down in Division 2 and promotion when it came was a glorious, unexpected surprise. With a bit of luck and avoiding some daft defeats we could have come straight back up in 1996 but instead went through 5 years as “the unluckiest team in the league/ best footballing side outside the Premier League (delete as applicable) before finally breaking through.
The 2002 side have a lot in common with the 2019 side, in that they seemed more content to nurse grievances and hard luck stories than go through the muck and bullets and get the club back up. As for the 2019 side, yes they were a mess, managed terribly and owned by an incompetent, but so were Blackburn under the Venkys and Hull under the Allams, but they only took 1 year to get back, whereas our squad did enough to get by and with no fans in the stadiums showed just how little they cared safe in the knowledge that they couldn’t be touched.
This is a better team, with a better manager and real care being taken at the top of the club….but it does feel, at the moment like a rerun of the Burley years in the third tier “Best side in the division, but they have a mental block somehow.” Curiously, if we make it back to the Championship, everyone will relax and the players will find their lives and jobs a little less pressured. We all would love to be back in the Premier League, but appreciate that it would be very hard work to get there. But the farting about which has seen us tumble out of the League One automatic places just feels like the team are bottling it needlessly and unacceptably. We’re back to a team doing just about enough. “You can have a batch of draws from losing positions, but wins? In the third tier? Now you’re expecting too much. We’re only human after all….”
Nearly 40 years of that. |  | | |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:09 - Feb 14 with 1690 views | itfcjoe |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 09:40 - Feb 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We didn't go up though, or even remotely look like we would.
Yes, lack of success would drive some away. But that's not what made people leave in their DROVES under Mick. We've had a lack of success under loads of managers, but people haven't given up STs in the numbers they did under Mick.
I also didn't say the ST sales are so good ONLY because of KM football. You added "only" as a straw man, because your argument's weak.
I take the point that Mick had less financial support, but that's a side issue really. Your whole point is KM football isn't the best since Burley, and have bizarrely tried to argue Mick's football as a counter. Bonkers.
And struggling to beat the sides you mention isn't an issue of style.
What you've done, as you often do, is take a position too quickly/without thinking, realise it's wrong, and just keep digging/backing yourself into a corner. Even the greatest Mick fans on here wouldn't try to claim his football was as good as KM's. |
Whilst STs went down under Mick, he actually had them go up 2 seasons in a row and bucked the trend that the club was in before falling back in line with it. Look at how they fell away under Jim, Keane, Jewell.
And to note earlier point, we didn't get in play offs because teams lost on the last day, we got there because we got 78 points and had an excellent season - the same way that if we make the top 2 this year it won't be because Plymouth or Sheff Weds falter, it will be because we get there. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:45 - Feb 14 with 1626 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 09:40 - Feb 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We didn't go up though, or even remotely look like we would.
Yes, lack of success would drive some away. But that's not what made people leave in their DROVES under Mick. We've had a lack of success under loads of managers, but people haven't given up STs in the numbers they did under Mick.
I also didn't say the ST sales are so good ONLY because of KM football. You added "only" as a straw man, because your argument's weak.
I take the point that Mick had less financial support, but that's a side issue really. Your whole point is KM football isn't the best since Burley, and have bizarrely tried to argue Mick's football as a counter. Bonkers.
And struggling to beat the sides you mention isn't an issue of style.
What you've done, as you often do, is take a position too quickly/without thinking, realise it's wrong, and just keep digging/backing yourself into a corner. Even the greatest Mick fans on here wouldn't try to claim his football was as good as KM's. |
Flash. You Introduced the talk about ST sales
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You only have to look at season ticket sales under Mick and McKenna. Day and night. There's a reason for that."
What's the reason?
Again let's see what people think of the football in years to come of it fails. People at the time raved about lambert football until it failed. People loved the beginning of Hurst before it failed.
You've also ignored where I mentioned football under Joe. Even some football under Magilton was excellent to watch.
It's all good at the moment as many are still on a high. But just like all others. The football itself will be judged on success.. without it, people will just look back and say it was pretty to watch at times but wasn't good enough.
At present it's not winning enough games. So no its not the best football we've had since Burley. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:54 - Feb 14 with 1601 views | Metal_Hacker |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:45 - Feb 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Flash. You Introduced the talk about ST sales
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You only have to look at season ticket sales under Mick and McKenna. Day and night. There's a reason for that."
What's the reason?
Again let's see what people think of the football in years to come of it fails. People at the time raved about lambert football until it failed. People loved the beginning of Hurst before it failed.
You've also ignored where I mentioned football under Joe. Even some football under Magilton was excellent to watch.
It's all good at the moment as many are still on a high. But just like all others. The football itself will be judged on success.. without it, people will just look back and say it was pretty to watch at times but wasn't good enough.
At present it's not winning enough games. So no its not the best football we've had since Burley. |
Long and short , I’d suggest it is the best football but not necessarily the best results
Two slightly different arguments |  |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 11:03 - Feb 14 with 1549 views | StokieBlue |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:45 - Feb 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Flash. You Introduced the talk about ST sales
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You only have to look at season ticket sales under Mick and McKenna. Day and night. There's a reason for that."
What's the reason?
Again let's see what people think of the football in years to come of it fails. People at the time raved about lambert football until it failed. People loved the beginning of Hurst before it failed.
You've also ignored where I mentioned football under Joe. Even some football under Magilton was excellent to watch.
It's all good at the moment as many are still on a high. But just like all others. The football itself will be judged on success.. without it, people will just look back and say it was pretty to watch at times but wasn't good enough.
At present it's not winning enough games. So no its not the best football we've had since Burley. |
"People loved the beginning of Hurst before it failed."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hurst
"Under Hurst, Ipswich made a very poor start to the season, winning just one of their opening 14 games and losing on penalties to League Two side Exeter City in the EFL Cup."
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/21463095.hursts-149-days-charge-ipswich-town-shorte
Outlines a series of poor displays with very little in the way of loving the performances.
I don't remember people loving the Hurst football but maybe I've just blanked it out of my mind. However sticking to the published evidence you would seem to be wrong in continually pushing that point as evidence to support your position.
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 11:06 - Feb 14 with 1540 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:54 - Feb 14 by Metal_Hacker |
Long and short , I’d suggest it is the best football but not necessarily the best results
Two slightly different arguments |
If its not getting results. Then it can't be the best football.
Is it modern football and a style not seen by many in league 1, yes. Buts it's still not the best since Burley. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 11:06 - Feb 14 with 1543 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:09 - Feb 14 by itfcjoe |
Whilst STs went down under Mick, he actually had them go up 2 seasons in a row and bucked the trend that the club was in before falling back in line with it. Look at how they fell away under Jim, Keane, Jewell.
And to note earlier point, we didn't get in play offs because teams lost on the last day, we got there because we got 78 points and had an excellent season - the same way that if we make the top 2 this year it won't be because Plymouth or Sheff Weds falter, it will be because we get there. |
Go up by how much though? All sales go up when a new manager comes in, that's just optimism. The support now hasn't been as good in donkey's years, even in the Champ, and loads cite the style of football.
I don't remember there being an issue over STs under those other managers. There were countless people moaning about the football under Mick and/or cancelling STs because of it, that was my point.
I think you're being rather pedantic on the play off finish. It's been done to death and I'm not wasting another moment on it.
If you think backing Frimmers is a good position to take, fill your boots. But my point is and remains that Mick-ball isn't remotely as attractive to watch as McKenna-ball. And the level of support under both managers is an indication of that. | |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 11:10 - Feb 14 with 1521 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 11:03 - Feb 14 by StokieBlue |
"People loved the beginning of Hurst before it failed."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hurst
"Under Hurst, Ipswich made a very poor start to the season, winning just one of their opening 14 games and losing on penalties to League Two side Exeter City in the EFL Cup."
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/21463095.hursts-149-days-charge-ipswich-town-shorte
Outlines a series of poor displays with very little in the way of loving the performances.
I don't remember people loving the Hurst football but maybe I've just blanked it out of my mind. However sticking to the published evidence you would seem to be wrong in continually pushing that point as evidence to support your position.
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If I remember rightly, there was a bit of optimism in pre-season because we won some friendlies. And there was a bit of a mood shift because ME had finally got around to lancing the boil of Mick's last season.
But other than that, in the league he failed from the start. We only had one win in the first 4 months didn't we. It was apparent fairly early on that his league 1 players were indeed league 1 standard. |  |
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| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 11:11 - Feb 14 with 1512 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| We have absolutely fcked this haven’t we on 10:45 - Feb 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Flash. You Introduced the talk about ST sales
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You only have to look at season ticket sales under Mick and McKenna. Day and night. There's a reason for that."
What's the reason?
Again let's see what people think of the football in years to come of it fails. People at the time raved about lambert football until it failed. People loved the beginning of Hurst before it failed.
You've also ignored where I mentioned football under Joe. Even some football under Magilton was excellent to watch.
It's all good at the moment as many are still on a high. But just like all others. The football itself will be judged on success.. without it, people will just look back and say it was pretty to watch at times but wasn't good enough.
At present it's not winning enough games. So no its not the best football we've had since Burley. |
I've explained one of the main reasons. Are you thick?
Yes people enjoyed some of Lambert, Royle and Hurst's football, but we weren't smashing viewing records.
I'm sure every manager has a few great games - that doesn't automatically put them on a par with McKenna. Otherwise you might as well say every manager player brilliant football sometimes. You're being disingenuous because your argument's nonsense.
And then you repeat the 'not winning enough games' line. Because your argument about style WHICH IS ALL I'M TALKING ABOUT has failed. | |
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