Budgets....Or squad value? 13:46 - Apr 24 with 6910 views | BigCommon | I find this " budget" argument quite pointless and a little annoying, when it's thrown at us, by some sets of oppo fans... Take Plymouth for example. OK, so they haven't paid transfer fees for a fare few of their star performers? So what? I haven't done the maths, but if you add up the value of certain loan players, and add to the value of their overall squad. Is their such a massive chasm, between their squad value, ie, what their manager has at his disposal. And ours, or SW or Derby's, etc..? Only reason I mention it, is because, it's the laziest argument I've heard, to validate Schumakers award for L1 manager OY...When you look in his box of tools, they arent cheap and nasty tools he's using.... I still think he's done a good job and Plymouth have played some good football to be where they are, no question...But that particular caveat of "It's all been done on a low budget " is a bit misleading, imo. Kinda suggests he's had nothing to work with. I guess I'm being protective of KMc, because the argument implies that KM and Ipswich results are all down to budget. Which we know , is not entirely true... |  | | |  |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:33 - Apr 24 with 1120 views | Argyle_Fan |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:11 - Apr 24 by Wakh | Werent Birmingham rumoured to have signed Cosgrove for £2m? Azaz and Mumba would command fees far in excess of £1m Whitaker bids rejected at north of £1m Yeah, your budget is less, well done. However, there is little difference (On paper) between the team you have assembled and loaned and the team we have purchased. Yes we have loaned 2 but both on loan with a view to buy as i understand it. Our teams paper value was less a few years ago when we had Chalobah on loan. It's all a very silly argument. Well done on what you have achieved but we have done the loan thing. I am sure if were wernt moving to a more sustainable club we would have been competing against you in the loan market instead. Personally i think the number of loanees should be reduced to three. When we had 8 it never felt like our Ipswich. Finally it does. |
I agree with much of what you say, only that we took Mumba and Whittaker on after not kicking on at Peterborough and Lincoln. They look like million dollar players now but Mumba spent the season on the bench at P'boro. Whittaker didn't do nowt the season before at Lincoln. Their profiles are only where they are now after us brigning that on. Cosgrove did nowt at Shrewsbury or Wimbledon. None of these lads were fancied. The only one we nabbed who was wanted after smashing it in L2 was Azaz. Their value after the season they have had with us wasn't the same before the season started. And as per a previous post, I recall Ipswich loaning TJJ and Hirst. It's a loan market, and Argyle have recruited through it brilliantly. |  | |  |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:35 - Apr 24 with 1105 views | OldFart71 |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 14:20 - Apr 24 by Argyle_Fan | Misleading? If you tally up your squad value in transfer fees - it is north of £10mn. If you tally up our fees, it is anywhere between £500k-£800k. We sold Camara to you for £500k (and he was one of our best players), and you've still got about 5 worthy replacements. We're operating on wildly different budgets. It's not pointless, lazy or misleading (would love for you to explain how it's any of those things). It's just reality. Ipswich have the most complete team in this league. We're somehow ahead of you and have been pretty much all season, despite also losing Whittaker, Cooper, Randell, Azaz and many others to very lengthy injuries. 'Nasty tools?' We're likely only paying a slice of the loan player wages. Besides, this is the same loan market that you are benefitting from, sending out a heap load of players to other L1 clubs and L2 also. Are those nasty tools also? Well, yes what McKenna has down is down to budget. He has assembled a squad that on paper is worth greater than £10mn. A forward line of multi million pound players like Broadhead and Chaplin. There's not another club in this league that has anywhere near those resources. |
No one is denying Plymouth have done well. Good luck to them. I hope we are promoted along with yourselves. Yes we have spent considerably on player, but a lot of the money spent was from sell on clauses, shirt sales of 30,000 and other merchandise and crowds above 26,000 at most of our home games and season ticket sales for next season running at 21,000. McKenna is a rookie manager and despite having the Gamechanger money behind him it still doesn't follow that unless someone has a bit about themselves that players brought in will be any good. Look at Roy Keane when he came to the club. The then owner Marcus Evans gave him considerable assets to spend. He didn't do any good and finally Evans gave up on everything concerned with the club. We admit we are lucky. But sometimes you make your own luck. |  | |  |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:35 - Apr 24 with 1105 views | pointofblue |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:30 - Apr 24 by Kropotkin123 | If you are going to reply to me, do me the favour of reading the whole thing and remember what you wrote. Here's a reminder: We're somehow ahead of you and have been pretty much all season, despite also losing Whittaker, Cooper, Randell, Azaz and many others to very lengthy injuries. You introduced injuries, and I responded to it. So screw this comment... The thread is about comparing Ipswich's budget vs Argyle. 1. Evans was our best player. We were second when we lost him. Ball was injured. Camera was injured. Humphreys was a youth team graduate with no prior experience. That you list him is a testament to our youth team coaching and his ability. Not our budget. 2. You listing your injury crisis as worse is just because you know your team better than you know our team. Your results and consistency would support that ours crisis was worse, as yours hasn't impacted you as much. We dropped out of the top two in our crisis. When we have a fully fit squad we have torn things up. W11, D1, L0, F34, A2 |
Being pedantic, we still don't have a fully fit squad. No Evans, no sign of Camara, no John-Jules, no Edmundson. Though, to play devil's advocate, Plymouth will no doubt be able to say the same thing. Every team will at this point of the season. |  |
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:45 - Apr 24 with 1084 views | Wakh |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:33 - Apr 24 by Argyle_Fan | I agree with much of what you say, only that we took Mumba and Whittaker on after not kicking on at Peterborough and Lincoln. They look like million dollar players now but Mumba spent the season on the bench at P'boro. Whittaker didn't do nowt the season before at Lincoln. Their profiles are only where they are now after us brigning that on. Cosgrove did nowt at Shrewsbury or Wimbledon. None of these lads were fancied. The only one we nabbed who was wanted after smashing it in L2 was Azaz. Their value after the season they have had with us wasn't the same before the season started. And as per a previous post, I recall Ipswich loaning TJJ and Hirst. It's a loan market, and Argyle have recruited through it brilliantly. |
Quite, but... If we signed Cosgrove for £2m to take him off Birmingham's hands he would be worth £2m and Ipswich would be buying the league. If you guys have him on loan he is valued at £0 Take Azaz, The fee from WBA to Villa was rumoured to be close to a million. Had we bought him for a million it would be Ipswich buying the league hoovering up the best young talent. The fact is Villa wouldn't have sold him meant we wouldnt have been interested. When he goes out on loan he is worth £0 Whitaker did okay the previous season, we actually enquired about signing him. (Phil will confirm) Had we done so he would have been another £X purchase that would now be used as a gripe against us. But Swansea loaned him to you and he is now worth £0. It is a futile comparison. Living in Devon I always wanted Town and Argyle to go up but the gripes against our spending are a little weird. We are finally investing like all businesses need to do to survive. I am sure we could have loaned a team of far more paper value than we have purchased for a fraction of the spend simply for short term gain. I am very glad we didnt. |  | |  |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:50 - Apr 24 with 1074 views | Argyle_Fan |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:30 - Apr 24 by Kropotkin123 | If you are going to reply to me, do me the favour of reading the whole thing and remember what you wrote. Here's a reminder: We're somehow ahead of you and have been pretty much all season, despite also losing Whittaker, Cooper, Randell, Azaz and many others to very lengthy injuries. You introduced injuries, and I responded to it. So screw this comment... The thread is about comparing Ipswich's budget vs Argyle. 1. Evans was our best player. We were second when we lost him. Ball was injured. Camera was injured. Humphreys was a youth team graduate with no prior experience. That you list him is a testament to our youth team coaching and his ability. Not our budget. 2. You listing your injury crisis as worse is just because you know your team better than you know our team. Your results and consistency would support that ours crisis was worse, as yours hasn't impacted you as much. We dropped out of the top two in our crisis. When we have a fully fit squad we have torn things up. W11, D1, L0, F34, A2 |
I read your post again. Your initial reply was highlighting the impact of the injuries in your squad and how that affected you, after I said you had something like 5 ready made replacements or something (trying to highlight what an increased budget meant). In relation to the budget chatter - the reality is you had Morsy, Ball, Evans, Camara and Humphreys. Way more experience, financial outlay in transfer fees, players with Championship level experience, International experience, and 5x options. We had Randell, Houghton and Butcher. No Championship experience, no fees, and 2x less options. We can sit here and compare injuries all day - but the simple fact is that in central midfield, your bigger budget showed. What's so complicated about that? The irony also is that Ball, Camara and Evans would not replave Morsy and Luongo right? Nice options to have. The idea that we managed our form better than you, doesn't correlate with us being less impacted. That is ridiculous. And I'm not sold on the Ipswich pre Jan as you are. Remove all those blockbuster Jan signings and you were dropping like flies up until Rovers away. Didn't have the mettle. It's your Jan signings that have really pushed you on. |  | |  |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:57 - Apr 24 with 1043 views | Argyle_Fan |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:45 - Apr 24 by Wakh | Quite, but... If we signed Cosgrove for £2m to take him off Birmingham's hands he would be worth £2m and Ipswich would be buying the league. If you guys have him on loan he is valued at £0 Take Azaz, The fee from WBA to Villa was rumoured to be close to a million. Had we bought him for a million it would be Ipswich buying the league hoovering up the best young talent. The fact is Villa wouldn't have sold him meant we wouldnt have been interested. When he goes out on loan he is worth £0 Whitaker did okay the previous season, we actually enquired about signing him. (Phil will confirm) Had we done so he would have been another £X purchase that would now be used as a gripe against us. But Swansea loaned him to you and he is now worth £0. It is a futile comparison. Living in Devon I always wanted Town and Argyle to go up but the gripes against our spending are a little weird. We are finally investing like all businesses need to do to survive. I am sure we could have loaned a team of far more paper value than we have purchased for a fraction of the spend simply for short term gain. I am very glad we didnt. |
The things with loans however is that we are taking a punt on young players who are totally unproven. You guys can go out and sign a 1st teamer at Stoke, or a 1st teamer at Wigan. Whereas you can nab ready made players, we have to take a riskier approach and try to grab young players who are not on the radar of the big clubs. Take Whittaker and Mumba in the summer - ready made for clubs like Ipswich or whoeverm we have no chance. Schuey will have to unearth a few gems again. I think there needs to be a bit more appreciation of the risk involved with this. Fundamentally we can't afford to go out and buy the ready made player so we have to be creative and take some risks. This season it paid off - but noone had heard of Whittaker or Mumba last season. We effectively got them at a discounted price. [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 19:04]
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:00 - Apr 24 with 1036 views | Kropotkin123 |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:35 - Apr 24 by pointofblue | Being pedantic, we still don't have a fully fit squad. No Evans, no sign of Camara, no John-Jules, no Edmundson. Though, to play devil's advocate, Plymouth will no doubt be able to say the same thing. Every team will at this point of the season. |
Agree, they do. But I'm not going on their website pretending they haven't or not looking in sufficient detail at their season's injuries. |  |
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:06 - Apr 24 with 1020 views | FrimleyBlue |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:57 - Apr 24 by Argyle_Fan | The things with loans however is that we are taking a punt on young players who are totally unproven. You guys can go out and sign a 1st teamer at Stoke, or a 1st teamer at Wigan. Whereas you can nab ready made players, we have to take a riskier approach and try to grab young players who are not on the radar of the big clubs. Take Whittaker and Mumba in the summer - ready made for clubs like Ipswich or whoeverm we have no chance. Schuey will have to unearth a few gems again. I think there needs to be a bit more appreciation of the risk involved with this. Fundamentally we can't afford to go out and buy the ready made player so we have to be creative and take some risks. This season it paid off - but noone had heard of Whittaker or Mumba last season. We effectively got them at a discounted price. [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 19:04]
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Out of interest. As a plymouth fan. What do you feel about your transfer policy? With town it appears we finally have a plan. We've brought in some experience but also now look to be building for the future with the signings we made in Davis. Clarke. Broadhead. Whilst you might get promoted.. are you happy that you have promotion and not bothered that half your side aren't yours? Would you still be looking at loans again even in the championship or will you start buying your own players? |  |
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:08 - Apr 24 with 1020 views | Wakh |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:57 - Apr 24 by Argyle_Fan | The things with loans however is that we are taking a punt on young players who are totally unproven. You guys can go out and sign a 1st teamer at Stoke, or a 1st teamer at Wigan. Whereas you can nab ready made players, we have to take a riskier approach and try to grab young players who are not on the radar of the big clubs. Take Whittaker and Mumba in the summer - ready made for clubs like Ipswich or whoeverm we have no chance. Schuey will have to unearth a few gems again. I think there needs to be a bit more appreciation of the risk involved with this. Fundamentally we can't afford to go out and buy the ready made player so we have to be creative and take some risks. This season it paid off - but noone had heard of Whittaker or Mumba last season. We effectively got them at a discounted price. [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 19:04]
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They had: We all know Mumba had potential, Azaz was an obvious talent and we were interested in signing Whitaker before he went to you. None of those clubs wanted to sell so they sent them out on loan to evaluate them. The point is the financial argument is almost futile. Cosgrove's value exceeds our player trading by about £2m think about that - it demeans the financial argument. This week we lose another of our most talented young kids to Spurs. Give it a season and they wont be selling him they will loan him to a L1 side who will tell us they took a chance on him as no one had heard of him before. It really is a very silly comparison. [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 19:09]
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:15 - Apr 24 with 994 views | pointofblue |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:06 - Apr 24 by FrimleyBlue | Out of interest. As a plymouth fan. What do you feel about your transfer policy? With town it appears we finally have a plan. We've brought in some experience but also now look to be building for the future with the signings we made in Davis. Clarke. Broadhead. Whilst you might get promoted.. are you happy that you have promotion and not bothered that half your side aren't yours? Would you still be looking at loans again even in the championship or will you start buying your own players? |
Isn't that what we would have had to do had we gone up in 14/15? Teams go up, then deal with it. Though I can't imagine Evans funding a spending splurge to the level of, for example, Forest's. |  |
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:22 - Apr 24 with 979 views | pointofblue |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:15 - Apr 24 by Argyle_Fan | Sure we have been, but I'm sure Ipswich and Weds have too. After 40+ games we have sat above Ipswich for nearly all if not the entire time? I can't recall. Seems an unnecessary comment from McK therefore. I have no issue with Ipswich nor do I feel the need to say McK hasn't done well for you. But like many Argyle fans, we're not too fond of the man. But otherwise I much prefer Ipswich to go up over Wed and if the league was to start today you would win it. Far too good for this league. |
McKenna said the comment after beating Accrington. We were still pretty early in the winning run at this point, after the fourth match. We were still five points adift, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a sense of "give us a break" at your relentlessness in terms of results combined with a sense of injustice from some decisions across the season - games against yourselves, Wednesday and Barnsley stand out inparticular. Since then there have been moments which have gone our way, as they tend to do when riding a high. Things balance themselves out. But all comments should be taken in context. Also, um... https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/plymouth-argyle-steven-schumache (Although the article is going down the budget line again) [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 19:22]
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:23 - Apr 24 with 974 views | FrimleyBlue |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:15 - Apr 24 by pointofblue | Isn't that what we would have had to do had we gone up in 14/15? Teams go up, then deal with it. Though I can't imagine Evans funding a spending splurge to the level of, for example, Forest's. |
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:26 - Apr 24 with 971 views | Argyle_Fan |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:06 - Apr 24 by FrimleyBlue | Out of interest. As a plymouth fan. What do you feel about your transfer policy? With town it appears we finally have a plan. We've brought in some experience but also now look to be building for the future with the signings we made in Davis. Clarke. Broadhead. Whilst you might get promoted.. are you happy that you have promotion and not bothered that half your side aren't yours? Would you still be looking at loans again even in the championship or will you start buying your own players? |
We obviously won't be ready as your team will be. I can see you guys doing a Sunderland and potentially yoyoing for a play off place. Going to be a lot of change at our end but we seem to have a good policy with signings now and recruit well. I think we will continue to bring young players in and hopefully we can attract a few older heads too. Might have to tap into the local westcountry network. Rumours of Ashley Barnes wanting to return to Plymouth - would be a hell of a coup if we could. If we can get Barnes and one or two older heads, I would back Schuey to recruit well otherwise and probably take some punts in the loan market again. We'll definitely miss the likes of Mumba and Azaz however. I'd think Schuey will get a bit of cash to spend also but nothing significant. |  | |  |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:32 - Apr 24 with 945 views | NthQldITFC |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:23 - Apr 24 by OldFart71 | Really all a pointless argument and who cares. jealousy is a terrible thing. Just because my wife doesn't have legs right up to her backside, I don't have a £50,000 car in the driveway and my house doesn't have 15 bedrooms and six bathrooms and I haven't got a few mil in the bank doesn't make me jealous of the bloke that has. Not saying I wouldn't like them, but who wouldn't. Same as those in the Prem who look at Man City and those in League One who say " Well Ipswich should be near the top, they've spent the best part of £4 million on players" Doesn't guarantee anything i'm afraid. You only have to look at the struggles Kieran's old team Man Utd have had. Pogba at £90 million, Ronaldo second time around on massive wages. We have been lucky that Gamechanger choose us to invest in. I emphasize choose us as I presume they would have had any number of clubs to choose from. I also emphasize invest as they are not in it for the complete fun of it, they are playing high stakes with a pension fund and their ultimate aim will be to take money out of the club and probably sell. We as fans are aware of this. So for those that see us a chequebook ITFC think again. We will enjoy the ride and on this particular ride it's pay after you have got off. |
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:38 - Apr 24 with 940 views | Kropotkin123 |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:50 - Apr 24 by Argyle_Fan | I read your post again. Your initial reply was highlighting the impact of the injuries in your squad and how that affected you, after I said you had something like 5 ready made replacements or something (trying to highlight what an increased budget meant). In relation to the budget chatter - the reality is you had Morsy, Ball, Evans, Camara and Humphreys. Way more experience, financial outlay in transfer fees, players with Championship level experience, International experience, and 5x options. We had Randell, Houghton and Butcher. No Championship experience, no fees, and 2x less options. We can sit here and compare injuries all day - but the simple fact is that in central midfield, your bigger budget showed. What's so complicated about that? The irony also is that Ball, Camara and Evans would not replave Morsy and Luongo right? Nice options to have. The idea that we managed our form better than you, doesn't correlate with us being less impacted. That is ridiculous. And I'm not sold on the Ipswich pre Jan as you are. Remove all those blockbuster Jan signings and you were dropping like flies up until Rovers away. Didn't have the mettle. It's your Jan signings that have really pushed you on. |
Nice option to have... If you have them, which we didn't, as they've been injured. |  |
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:47 - Apr 24 with 917 views | pointofblue |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:50 - Apr 24 by Argyle_Fan | I read your post again. Your initial reply was highlighting the impact of the injuries in your squad and how that affected you, after I said you had something like 5 ready made replacements or something (trying to highlight what an increased budget meant). In relation to the budget chatter - the reality is you had Morsy, Ball, Evans, Camara and Humphreys. Way more experience, financial outlay in transfer fees, players with Championship level experience, International experience, and 5x options. We had Randell, Houghton and Butcher. No Championship experience, no fees, and 2x less options. We can sit here and compare injuries all day - but the simple fact is that in central midfield, your bigger budget showed. What's so complicated about that? The irony also is that Ball, Camara and Evans would not replave Morsy and Luongo right? Nice options to have. The idea that we managed our form better than you, doesn't correlate with us being less impacted. That is ridiculous. And I'm not sold on the Ipswich pre Jan as you are. Remove all those blockbuster Jan signings and you were dropping like flies up until Rovers away. Didn't have the mettle. It's your Jan signings that have really pushed you on. |
Out of interest, what do you think would have happened if you had lost not just one of your first team midfielders to injury, but your back up, and your third choice? Although the stupidity of signing Camara admittedly still sticks in my head but that's by the by. It's like I said earlier, it's not just losing players to injury, it's losing a batch in the same position which can hinder a side. And that's what happened to us over the inconsistent run between the end of October and February. |  |
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 19:50 - Apr 24 with 910 views | gringoblue |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:15 - Apr 24 by Argyle_Fan | Sure we have been, but I'm sure Ipswich and Weds have too. After 40+ games we have sat above Ipswich for nearly all if not the entire time? I can't recall. Seems an unnecessary comment from McK therefore. I have no issue with Ipswich nor do I feel the need to say McK hasn't done well for you. But like many Argyle fans, we're not too fond of the man. But otherwise I much prefer Ipswich to go up over Wed and if the league was to start today you would win it. Far too good for this league. |
Why would we give a stuff if Argyle fans are fond of McKenna or not? You sound extremely over sensitive. Like my dad disliking Mikel Arteta because he finds his haircut offensive. |  | |  |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 21:07 - Apr 24 with 821 views | Kropotkin123 |
They didn't read the original quote in full. They haven't read posts they've replied to in this thread in full. They don't remember what they've written. I doubt they are going to read this and retain this. On another note, I can't believe Schumacher said Kieran is causing madness. I offended by this. I'm sure all other Town fans are too. |  |
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 21:38 - Apr 24 with 789 views | Kropotkin123 |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 18:22 - Apr 24 by Argyle_Fan | Without derailing the thread we have had just as many injuries. More importantly we lost our absolute very best players. Cooper, Whittaker, Randell, Azaz and Mumba are/were the best 5 at the club. Lost the first four - Randell and Azaz for something like 2-3 months and the other two permanently. Similarly, lost our number 1 cb for also 2 months (Scarr). Without blowing smoke up Schuey's backwide - it's the loss of the loss of these key players that's made what Schuey has done remarkable. It's like removing Morsy, Broadhead, Chaplin and Davis and Walton. Correct me if I am wrong - but my impression is that they are some of your very crucially important players. [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 18:26]
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Broadhead has played 1116 minutes this season. Aka, we didn't have him for the majority of the season. Aka we were missing him. Aka, you don't even make sense. Evans is rated higher than Morsy on Whoscored. This is because before he got injured, he was playing better. So losing Evans, was like losing Morsy. We had no Ball (345 mins all season), no Camera (1 min all season), no Luongo (895 mins all season) to replace him. Just a 19 year old youth product. When we lost Evans to injury, we were second in the table. In our run we did badly in defence. This is partly because we had defensive injuries and partly because of that centre midfield position being hit. Edmundson, our best CD last season, has had multiple injuries this season. He's only played 1555 minutes this season. Burgess, another CD broke his face ( https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.twtd.co.uk/amp/news/43411/burgess-surgery-a-suc Just face it, we've had our own injury crisis, that you were unaware of, because you don't follow us. It was a contributing factor. You bleating on about injuries here, as if it in some way more impactful is nonsense, and just shows up your lack of knowledge about our season. |  |
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 21:55 - Apr 24 with 751 views | Swansea_Blue | It’s undeniable we’re spending a lot more than anyone else in this league. So what? It’s only a problem if it’s spent badly. We’ve had a massive injection of cash from Gamechanger (£14M last year, £17M this). For context our turnover is £14m and wage budget all of that, Plymouth’s turnover £11M and wage budget £5M. They’ve got far shallower pockets and have done a great job. I see our relative resources as a plus as if we go up we’re more likely to be competitive in the championship. That doesn’t take anything away from Plymouth though - Schumacher is deserved Manager of the Year. KM has been great too, so what does it matter what Plymouth are doing? |  |
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 05:44 - Apr 25 with 648 views | mattrolow |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 21:55 - Apr 24 by Swansea_Blue | It’s undeniable we’re spending a lot more than anyone else in this league. So what? It’s only a problem if it’s spent badly. We’ve had a massive injection of cash from Gamechanger (£14M last year, £17M this). For context our turnover is £14m and wage budget all of that, Plymouth’s turnover £11M and wage budget £5M. They’ve got far shallower pockets and have done a great job. I see our relative resources as a plus as if we go up we’re more likely to be competitive in the championship. That doesn’t take anything away from Plymouth though - Schumacher is deserved Manager of the Year. KM has been great too, so what does it matter what Plymouth are doing? |
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 07:38 - Apr 25 with 609 views | bluestandard |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 05:44 - Apr 25 by mattrolow | I think we’re supposed to be giving them a ‘promoted despite a club in absolute poverty with an injury ravaged squad’ medal. Personally think Plymouth have done a great job and good luck to them. But these fans are making it incredibly hard to like them. |
This. Plymouth have been great this season and deserving of their success. It’s almost like it doesn’t seem enough for their fans though unless there is a recognition from everyone else that it was achieved against ALL the odds, and is an almost impossible achievement. I think this whole thread has shown nicely where both teams have played to their strengths. We have done well in the perm transfer market, but up to January net spending was virtually zero. Plymouth however have played the loan market well, and brought in players who are probably on similar wages to ours (even though Plymouth are probably paying a fraction). Our financial advantage is probably likely to be realised later down the line as we sell players for a much greater value, but its arguable that it didn’t give much more of an advantage on the pitch this season. One advantage Plymouth had which I don’t think is mentioned enough is that they were a year ahead in their development having just missed the playoffs last year. I think Town have done fantastically to bridge that gap given we were nowhere near it last season. Anyway, congrats to both teams! COYBs!!! |  | |  |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 08:02 - Apr 25 with 597 views | Herbivore |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 15:46 - Apr 24 by pointofblue | Perhaps McKenna still had Houghton’s foul on Chaplin in the build up to the equaliser at Home Park in mind when he said that! An awful lot is perhaps harsh, though margins - which he also said - is possibly fairer, considering where Plymouth sit in the xG table compared to the actual table. Mind games no doubt at work, either way. But credit to you, you’re taking more of your chances. If we’d managed to do that, especially between Halloween and Valentines Day, we’d probably be champions by now. I’d say there is no question Schumacher deserves manager of the year, and has done a better job than McKenna and Moore, even if both Town and Wednesday usurp Argyle in the top two, not that I can see that happening. Maybe controversial, but I think McKenna has matched expectations but little more than that. |
If someone had said to you right at the start of the season that we'd be on 91 points with 3 games to play, would your response have been "I suppose that's acceptable"? That's before even getting into the way we've been playing and the squad we've developed as the season has progressed. |  |
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Budgets....Or squad value? on 08:09 - Apr 25 with 577 views | NeedhamChris |
Budgets....Or squad value? on 08:02 - Apr 25 by Herbivore | If someone had said to you right at the start of the season that we'd be on 91 points with 3 games to play, would your response have been "I suppose that's acceptable"? That's before even getting into the way we've been playing and the squad we've developed as the season has progressed. |
When I threw my mid season wobbly - it was based on a lack of confidence that we were going to be able to turn around what was an unacceptable run of form at that time (even if performances were good) - and not expecting us to get towards the total we're on now. Clearly, that was wrong! And even I'm finding posts trying to downplay what McKenna has done this season to be a bit negative. I'm with you, we are still potentially on for 100 points which I'd have snapped your hand off . I think had Guthers done one of his projected tables in mid February it would have looked very depressing. But fair play, takes an excellent manager to make improvements in the playing style and getting results to click. It's clearly better than acceptable, although if we don't go up I'll still think it's been a wasted season although won't be any calling for McKenna to go!! |  |
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