| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss 21:31 - May 7 with 13183 views | keebsdad |
Defending: suspect.
Final pass: appalling.
Too impetuous.
Yes, he's one-of-our-own and likes a fist pump but that does not excuse his lack of quality.
PS JD wasn't much better. |  | | |  |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 15:18 - May 8 with 1572 views | Asa |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 13:21 - May 8 by ReusersTown |
You're considering replacing a 21 year old player who we have clearly bought due to his development potential already. Odd to say the least. |
Where am I considering replacing him.
I’m suggesting we will probably target 5-6 players that are better than what we have given how ambitious we are.
Is Clarke one of the best five players at the club? No.
I love Clarke. He’s a good player and I think he will end up being a great one. But as a club I don’t think we will wait for players to deliver on their potential when we are this well funded and this ambitious and can arguably now afford the finished articles.
So it’s not impossible that a number of current key players find themselves out of the side next season due to strengthening. | | | |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 15:20 - May 8 with 1558 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 15:06 - May 8 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
A valiant attempt to beat ‘the smarmy post’ 6.5/10.
If it was serious, I’d suggest football isn’t for you - maybe try snooker or something. |
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 16:19 - May 8 with 1508 views | StokieBlue |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 14:45 - May 8 by keebsdad |
Well that went well!
i thought I would wait for the 'one of our own' storm to die out before commenting again.
Just so you know I have been supporting ITFC since the mid 60's and have seen a number of the 'one of our own' brigade fade and die with great regularity. Probably the first I recall being 'bigged' up was Robin Turner in 1975 ... whatever happened to him?
For those who don't know it the definition of a discussion is: talk or write about (a topic) in detail, taking into account different issues or ideas. It is not to lob gratuitous insults but then when have the members of this board ever been able to resist gratuitous insults.
Yes, Harry Clarke is athletic but that is a far as it goes for me. His positioning is suspect and he is unaware of what he is supposed to be doing (look at him ball-watching for Fleetwood's 2nd). I live abroad so watch most matches on Ifollow and the expression "an over-hit pass from Clarke" should be on repeat for the commentators. I am surprised that he has 75.9% passing accuracy according to The Athletic but is behind Burgess and Edmundson on that metric and they couldn't hit a barn door at the start of the season.
My biggest complaint is the lack of end product: he has precisely 1 assist for the season. He's a show pony, pure and simple.
Get over yourselves. |
"My biggest complaint is the lack of end product: he has precisely 1 assist for the season. He's a show pony, pure and simple."
It's interesting that you've decided to use assists as a metric to determine whether a defender has end product. Davis is an exception and gets much further forward so that's not a fair comparison.
Given a defenders main job is to defend how do you feel about the following metric:
- 12 clean sheets in the 16 matches he's started
I'd say that's a decent contribution. If you want to stick to the assists metric then if we pro-rata that for the season then he would be on 3 assists for the season which isn't an awful return for a right back. It also doesn't tell anything like the full story as his forward runs were creating a lot of room for Burns to notch up the assists so there should also be some credit there.
I seriously doubt you actually want to discuss the metrics or even Clarke though so not sure why I bothered.
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 16:21 - May 8 with 1487 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 15:06 - May 8 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
A valiant attempt to beat ‘the smarmy post’ 6.5/10.
If it was serious, I’d suggest football isn’t for you - maybe try snooker or something. |
Was my immediate thought. Currently -75. No idea what Makin got but I would be confident this is the closest to it so far. |  |
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 16:26 - May 8 with 1476 views | DeepBlueSea |
In my head you are Chris Keeble’s (anyone remember him) dad. Confirm or deny please!
Oh, and I think you’ve got it badly wrong with Clarke btw, but time will tell. | | | |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 18:59 - May 8 with 1406 views | Whos_blue |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 14:45 - May 8 by keebsdad |
Well that went well!
i thought I would wait for the 'one of our own' storm to die out before commenting again.
Just so you know I have been supporting ITFC since the mid 60's and have seen a number of the 'one of our own' brigade fade and die with great regularity. Probably the first I recall being 'bigged' up was Robin Turner in 1975 ... whatever happened to him?
For those who don't know it the definition of a discussion is: talk or write about (a topic) in detail, taking into account different issues or ideas. It is not to lob gratuitous insults but then when have the members of this board ever been able to resist gratuitous insults.
Yes, Harry Clarke is athletic but that is a far as it goes for me. His positioning is suspect and he is unaware of what he is supposed to be doing (look at him ball-watching for Fleetwood's 2nd). I live abroad so watch most matches on Ifollow and the expression "an over-hit pass from Clarke" should be on repeat for the commentators. I am surprised that he has 75.9% passing accuracy according to The Athletic but is behind Burgess and Edmundson on that metric and they couldn't hit a barn door at the start of the season.
My biggest complaint is the lack of end product: he has precisely 1 assist for the season. He's a show pony, pure and simple.
Get over yourselves. |
Whatever happened to Robin Turner?
He only went on to have a starring role in Escape to victory!
Call yourself a town fan?
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 19:05 - May 8 with 1400 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 18:59 - May 8 by Whos_blue |
Whatever happened to Robin Turner?
He only went on to have a starring role in Escape to victory!
Call yourself a town fan?
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I also recall Jason Dozzell, Darren Bent, Titus Bramble, Darren Ambrose, Richard Wright and Kieron Dyer all being "bigged up" too.
Just because some turn out to Billy Clarke and Dean Bowditch, doesn't mean we shouldn't enjoy it when the next one comes along.
Will Harry Clarke be a regular first-team player for us next season? I would expect him to be but time will tell. This could easily be one of those threads that is bumped at various points next season because he is doing well or because he has been dropped/replaced. It seems a very odd hot take, though. | |
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 20:36 - May 8 with 1355 views | BigCommon |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 09:09 - May 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
There's zero evidence he's picked (or anyone wants him picked) for being a local lad. And not a single person has said he's a perfectly rounded player.
He's pumped... but not too pumped IMO. He's not getting sent off on a regular basis. Yesterday was just a late lunge, mistimed in the moment, and could happen to anyone.
I don't remember a single debate on this before yesterday. |
Didn't say he was picked because he's local..
If he calmed down a bit, he's be a better passer of the ball... Same as any player. Composure is an important attribute... See Cam Humphreys. |  | | |
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 21:04 - May 8 with 1323 views | itfcjoe |
Signed for team, been part of defence that has kept record breaking run of clean sheets whilst offering extra impetus in attack and forming great partnership with Burns......gets sent off in a dead rubber and he's not good eough |  |
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 21:05 - May 8 with 1315 views | Vic |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 14:45 - May 8 by keebsdad |
Well that went well!
i thought I would wait for the 'one of our own' storm to die out before commenting again.
Just so you know I have been supporting ITFC since the mid 60's and have seen a number of the 'one of our own' brigade fade and die with great regularity. Probably the first I recall being 'bigged' up was Robin Turner in 1975 ... whatever happened to him?
For those who don't know it the definition of a discussion is: talk or write about (a topic) in detail, taking into account different issues or ideas. It is not to lob gratuitous insults but then when have the members of this board ever been able to resist gratuitous insults.
Yes, Harry Clarke is athletic but that is a far as it goes for me. His positioning is suspect and he is unaware of what he is supposed to be doing (look at him ball-watching for Fleetwood's 2nd). I live abroad so watch most matches on Ifollow and the expression "an over-hit pass from Clarke" should be on repeat for the commentators. I am surprised that he has 75.9% passing accuracy according to The Athletic but is behind Burgess and Edmundson on that metric and they couldn't hit a barn door at the start of the season.
My biggest complaint is the lack of end product: he has precisely 1 assist for the season. He's a show pony, pure and simple.
Get over yourselves. |
It’s a bit odd to single out one of the back 4 who have been involved in a record breaking run.
I’d be interested therefore to see your working out. Here’s a few questions to help:
1. How many times has he been sent off for us?
2. How many goals have we conceded as a result of his poor positioning (maybe cp with Leif Davis as well)
3. How many times has he linked up with Wes Burns who has gone on to provide an assist?
4. How are you defining ‘end product’ for a defender?
I genuinely don’t know the answers to those questions but for a lad who’s 21, still learning the game and has obviously been bought in partly because he’s seen to have a ‘high ceiling’ and good potential for ‘player trading’ he’s done alright so far for me. |  |
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 21:15 - May 8 with 1303 views | ReusersTown |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 15:18 - May 8 by Asa |
Where am I considering replacing him.
I’m suggesting we will probably target 5-6 players that are better than what we have given how ambitious we are.
Is Clarke one of the best five players at the club? No.
I love Clarke. He’s a good player and I think he will end up being a great one. But as a club I don’t think we will wait for players to deliver on their potential when we are this well funded and this ambitious and can arguably now afford the finished articles.
So it’s not impossible that a number of current key players find themselves out of the side next season due to strengthening. |
Oh, I don't know, how about "Clarke is in the lower half and could be someone who could feasibly be replaced next season".
Re: You thinking he could be a great player. You don't develop Premier League players if you're not willing to give them gametime in the Championship! | | | |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 23:27 - May 8 with 1229 views | PioneerBlue |
I love this 81- and counting says you are probably not the answer. He’s one of the most exciting right back talents we’ve seen for years, certainly in time I’ve been watching. We’ve had several decent RBs in this time but not as young as Clarke. | |
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 23:39 - May 8 with 1221 views | Vegtablue |
Not as bad as the post claiming Luongo would be miles away from the squad if all our CMs were available. Not a lot better though! | | | |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 00:03 - May 9 with 1193 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 20:36 - May 8 by BigCommon |
Didn't say he was picked because he's local..
If he calmed down a bit, he's be a better passer of the ball... Same as any player. Composure is an important attribute... See Cam Humphreys. |
You said:
"Its always good to have local lads in the first team, though. But that shouldn't be the reason they are picked."
No-one suggested it was, or should be. So not sure what the point of that last sentence was. |  |
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 00:12 - May 9 with 1191 views | BigCommon |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 21:04 - May 8 by itfcjoe |
Signed for team, been part of defence that has kept record breaking run of clean sheets whilst offering extra impetus in attack and forming great partnership with Burns......gets sent off in a dead rubber and he's not good eough |
Wasn't a dead rubber Joe...
Why risk injury, to million pound plus investments, like Davis and Broadhead, if the game didnt matter?
Hladky, Leigh, KVY, Humphreys, Edwards, Harness, Jackspn,Ladapo, all potential starters in a game with little importance, imo..
We had our best available 11 out there, barring JD for Clarke... Dont think KM treated it like a dead rubber. Arguably, some of his players did.. | | | |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 00:16 - May 9 with 1185 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 00:12 - May 9 by BigCommon |
Wasn't a dead rubber Joe...
Why risk injury, to million pound plus investments, like Davis and Broadhead, if the game didnt matter?
Hladky, Leigh, KVY, Humphreys, Edwards, Harness, Jackspn,Ladapo, all potential starters in a game with little importance, imo..
We had our best available 11 out there, barring JD for Clarke... Dont think KM treated it like a dead rubber. Arguably, some of his players did.. |
Everyone treated it for what it was. Nice to get the 100 points, but the job was done last week so no biggie. I don't think you need to look any deeper than that TBH. | |
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 02:34 - May 9 with 1149 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 16:19 - May 8 by StokieBlue |
"My biggest complaint is the lack of end product: he has precisely 1 assist for the season. He's a show pony, pure and simple."
It's interesting that you've decided to use assists as a metric to determine whether a defender has end product. Davis is an exception and gets much further forward so that's not a fair comparison.
Given a defenders main job is to defend how do you feel about the following metric:
- 12 clean sheets in the 16 matches he's started
I'd say that's a decent contribution. If you want to stick to the assists metric then if we pro-rata that for the season then he would be on 3 assists for the season which isn't an awful return for a right back. It also doesn't tell anything like the full story as his forward runs were creating a lot of room for Burns to notch up the assists so there should also be some credit there.
I seriously doubt you actually want to discuss the metrics or even Clarke though so not sure why I bothered.
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What I found notable when JD was on against Fleetwood was that they were better able to 2v1 him again. Clarke has allowed Burns to be more creative.
Anyway, this budgie is clearly concerned and feels the need to start a thread for the first time in four years.
As if any Town fan would call him a show pony after the positive impact he's had on our team 😂 |  |
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 02:34 - May 9 with 1149 views | Kropotkin123 |
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 06:55 - May 9 with 1099 views | Asa |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 21:15 - May 8 by ReusersTown |
Oh, I don't know, how about "Clarke is in the lower half and could be someone who could feasibly be replaced next season".
Re: You thinking he could be a great player. You don't develop Premier League players if you're not willing to give them gametime in the Championship! |
Do you honestly think the XI we’ve favoured recently is the one that plays the majority of games next season assuming Hirst and Luongo stay?
Not sure how my post has been misconstrued. I massively rate Clarke and love all eleven of these legends.
But I still fully expect a number of them not to start in August because of the strength of our recruitment over the summer being likely aimed at players who can improve us even further.
We won’t simply sit back and allow players to develop. We will buy the best players we can, let the squad fight for places and those players who win out will develop. Clarke may well be one of them. | | | |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 07:24 - May 9 with 1063 views | itfcserbia |
Asa and Reuserstown - very noble of you trying to take the heat off topic raised here but it does still remain on of the if not THE most bizarre comment of the season. I was expecting it to break the 100 minuses much sooner, since ITFC wasn't able to break 100 points possibly for a lack of Clarke end product. ;-)
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 07:32 - May 9 with 1052 views | itfc_bucks |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 22:55 - May 7 by BlueandTruesince82 |
1 bad game and we come up with this. FFS. |
Wasn't even a bad game.
First tackle, he wins the ball. | | | |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 07:34 - May 9 with 1049 views | Herbivore |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 06:55 - May 9 by Asa |
Do you honestly think the XI we’ve favoured recently is the one that plays the majority of games next season assuming Hirst and Luongo stay?
Not sure how my post has been misconstrued. I massively rate Clarke and love all eleven of these legends.
But I still fully expect a number of them not to start in August because of the strength of our recruitment over the summer being likely aimed at players who can improve us even further.
We won’t simply sit back and allow players to develop. We will buy the best players we can, let the squad fight for places and those players who win out will develop. Clarke may well be one of them. |
We persisted with Davis after a shaky start to the season when many on here were saying Leigh is the better player. Hirst was persisted with after a slightly underwhelming first month with us, which coincided with Ladapo being bang in form. I'm not sure your point stands up to scrutiny.
We aren't some moneybags side who will just keep throwing money at it endlessly, players like Davis and Clarke have been signed precisely to develop with us and either come with us on our upwards journey or be sold for a big profit to fund further signings. That's why they will play ahead of the likes of Leigh and Donacien even when their form is a bit wobbly.
I expect us to strengthen in the summer but I can't see it being wholesale changes to the starting XI, more some quality added in key areas and better back up in others. I'd be very surprised if our regular XI at the start of next season doesn't include Walton, Woolf, Clarke, Davis, Morsy, Chaplin, and Broadhead. If we sign Hirst you can add him into that list too. That's the core of our current aide all, imo of course, likely to form the spine of our side next season. |  |
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| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 07:47 - May 9 with 1039 views | portmanking |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 06:55 - May 9 by Asa |
Do you honestly think the XI we’ve favoured recently is the one that plays the majority of games next season assuming Hirst and Luongo stay?
Not sure how my post has been misconstrued. I massively rate Clarke and love all eleven of these legends.
But I still fully expect a number of them not to start in August because of the strength of our recruitment over the summer being likely aimed at players who can improve us even further.
We won’t simply sit back and allow players to develop. We will buy the best players we can, let the squad fight for places and those players who win out will develop. Clarke may well be one of them. |
I think you've misconstrued what the new ownership group is all about. Sure, they have money, but that doesn't mean they'll always be investing in the finished article. Far from it, in fact.
Buying the likes of Clarke and Davis for £1m+ and giving them the platform to develop and flourish is the best way to sustainability in the current climate. If you think we'll be replacing Clarke with a £5m mid-to-late 20s RB with Premier League experience I think you'll be disappointed this summer.
I think you need to remember this is STILL a long-term project to the owners. We've completed Phase 1 but Phase 2 may take 3, 4 even 5 seasons. Yes, we've got momentum now, but we can't just bulldoze our way into the Champ next season and expect success to be bought.
I just totally disagree with your final paragraph. That's really not McKenna's style. Throw enough talent into the mix and hope something sticks? Nah. That was Cook's philosophy, not McKenna's. | | | |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 08:34 - May 9 with 976 views | Asa |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 07:34 - May 9 by Herbivore |
We persisted with Davis after a shaky start to the season when many on here were saying Leigh is the better player. Hirst was persisted with after a slightly underwhelming first month with us, which coincided with Ladapo being bang in form. I'm not sure your point stands up to scrutiny.
We aren't some moneybags side who will just keep throwing money at it endlessly, players like Davis and Clarke have been signed precisely to develop with us and either come with us on our upwards journey or be sold for a big profit to fund further signings. That's why they will play ahead of the likes of Leigh and Donacien even when their form is a bit wobbly.
I expect us to strengthen in the summer but I can't see it being wholesale changes to the starting XI, more some quality added in key areas and better back up in others. I'd be very surprised if our regular XI at the start of next season doesn't include Walton, Woolf, Clarke, Davis, Morsy, Chaplin, and Broadhead. If we sign Hirst you can add him into that list too. That's the core of our current aide all, imo of course, likely to form the spine of our side next season. |
Absolutely. I agree it’ll be the basis of this squad.
But I don’t think they’ll go out and buy someone to back up Burns or Burgess. They’ll go and find players that are even better.
I also don’t think they’ll have to spend a fortune. Look at Leif. Look at Broadhead. They cost £1m to £1.5m each.
I think we will probably throw £3m at Hirst and maybe £1m-£2m each at another three players. Only one of them needs a half decent season at Championship level to effectively be worth the total outlay.
I’m just saying if I was to list played I expect will definitely be in the starting lineup for most of next season that Walton, Davis, Morsy and Broadhead would be towards the top of the current XI and Clarke, Burgess would be towards the bottom of that XI.
It can obviously all change. Chaplin could struggle whilst Burns excels. Who knows! | | | |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 08:36 - May 9 with 973 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Harry Clarke - not the answer. Discuss on 06:55 - May 9 by Asa |
Do you honestly think the XI we’ve favoured recently is the one that plays the majority of games next season assuming Hirst and Luongo stay?
Not sure how my post has been misconstrued. I massively rate Clarke and love all eleven of these legends.
But I still fully expect a number of them not to start in August because of the strength of our recruitment over the summer being likely aimed at players who can improve us even further.
We won’t simply sit back and allow players to develop. We will buy the best players we can, let the squad fight for places and those players who win out will develop. Clarke may well be one of them. |
Your point could be levelled at ANY player if we somehow unearthed a gem for their position, so it's rather redundant in a Harry Clarke thread. Or any thread really.
"Do you honestly think the XI we’ve favoured recently is the one that plays the majority of games next season assuming Hirst and Luongo stay?"
Absolutely, yes. Gamechanger have been purchasing players in view of a step up. Harry Clarke's one of those. Herbs and Portmanking above have it spot on. | |
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