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and I have a feeling Warne may be interested in some of our fringe players. Could see a few being of interest to an ambitious L1 side and of course he knows Ladapo very well. |  | | |  |
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The smartest clubs in recent years have kept hold of players like this and moved them up through the leagues whilst retaining their rights - when you look at where the players in squad mentioned as ahead of him in their age 21 season then you see that there’s every chance he can push right on |
Every chance he doesn't though....
Care to offer some examples out of curiosity?
I think for everyone that makes it there is one that falls down the leagues |  |
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| Derby embargo lifted on 19:31 - May 11 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Every chance he doesn't though....
Care to offer some examples out of curiosity?
I think for everyone that makes it there is one that falls down the leagues |
If you look at Brighton as an example and see how 2 of their 'assets' did....
Matt Cleake, signed from Pompey after good season in League 2, then good season in League 1, then rather than let someone else steal a march they sign him and put him at Derby in Champ, ends up staying there 2 seasons on loan, then a further loan at WBA and at that stage they realise he won't be able to step up after exhausting the option they sell him for more than twice as much as they paid for him despite never playing for them
Ben White on other hand - goes to Newport in League 2 and does well, then next season at Posh in League 1, then with Leeds in the Champ and they realise he does have the capability to step up so bring him back in the fold and he excels for first team.
Brighton the best example for this and this long article is really interesting on it
https://analyticsfc.co.uk/blog/2021/09/08/loan-pathways-the-buy-to-loan-model/
And with our squad, when you look at their age 21 season they were doing this:
El Mizouni - star role in L2 winners and team of season
Ball - played 10 or so games on loan at Aberdeen in SPL
Luongo - playing regularly for a good Swindon side in L1
Evans - playing regularly for a good Bradford side in L1
Morsy - winning the L2 title with Chesterfield
Camara - playing League 2 football with Crawley
So he's basically at the same level as everyone in our current squad was at a similar age.
If we could get him a decent loan sorted for League 1 next season, where his wages are fully paid, then there is a chance that he can be worth much more than what we'd sell him for coming out of League 2 |  |
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Where does he fit in currently though? Reality is, he’d be behind Morsy, Luongo, Evans, Ball & probably Camara in the pecking order. Don’t get me wrong, me may lose 1 or 2 of those, but I’ll be amazed, unless Peterborough are promoter, that Jack Taylor doesn’t end up here this summer, and even if he doesn’t, I’m sure it’s an area we’ll look to strengthen again. |
My preference was a loan to league one, not to have him in our squad next season |  |
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| Derby embargo lifted on 18:49 - May 11 by BlueandTruesince82 |
He could but equally he could not.
And even if he does, is he a top tier championship player by then? Which is at the very least the type of player we all hope we are aiming for by then.
If he really kicks on then 500k will seem like a steal, but that's why you'd hope a sell on gets included.
Going from league 2 to top end championship player is a big ask in 2 seasons. As I say it's a risk but right now he's not getting near our team and does he even want to spend the next 2 years on loan.
Take the money to maximise this year's playing budget so we kick on after promotion |
It would also be a big ask for Humphries, are we going to boot him out for £500k as well? | |
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| Derby embargo lifted on 20:39 - May 11 with 2183 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Derby embargo lifted on 18:02 - May 11 by Trequartista |
Ladapo played in 46 out of 46 league games, that's some fringe. |
Apologies, I wasn't suggesting Freddie was a fringe player. That was a separate point in the sentence. Fringe players like Leigh etc could interest Derby and co but also Warne is well aware of Ladapo. Personally I like Ladapo but I do think he is aware that he will find playing time limited and will want to play games at this stage in his career - being a L1 promotion specialist is no bad thing.
We just have to be careful of not killing momentum in the group. The core players like Chappers, Walton, Woolfy will the L1 - Prem guys. | | | |
| Derby embargo lifted on 20:48 - May 11 with 2165 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
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If you look at Brighton as an example and see how 2 of their 'assets' did....
Matt Cleake, signed from Pompey after good season in League 2, then good season in League 1, then rather than let someone else steal a march they sign him and put him at Derby in Champ, ends up staying there 2 seasons on loan, then a further loan at WBA and at that stage they realise he won't be able to step up after exhausting the option they sell him for more than twice as much as they paid for him despite never playing for them
Ben White on other hand - goes to Newport in League 2 and does well, then next season at Posh in League 1, then with Leeds in the Champ and they realise he does have the capability to step up so bring him back in the fold and he excels for first team.
Brighton the best example for this and this long article is really interesting on it
https://analyticsfc.co.uk/blog/2021/09/08/loan-pathways-the-buy-to-loan-model/
And with our squad, when you look at their age 21 season they were doing this:
El Mizouni - star role in L2 winners and team of season
Ball - played 10 or so games on loan at Aberdeen in SPL
Luongo - playing regularly for a good Swindon side in L1
Evans - playing regularly for a good Bradford side in L1
Morsy - winning the L2 title with Chesterfield
Camara - playing League 2 football with Crawley
So he's basically at the same level as everyone in our current squad was at a similar age.
If we could get him a decent loan sorted for League 1 next season, where his wages are fully paid, then there is a chance that he can be worth much more than what we'd sell him for coming out of League 2 |
Fair point and good examples, but I still feel that for everyone of those there is at least one that doesn't make it.
Equally
Dom Ball. PL academy product and has been a championship player most of his career
Lunongo PL Academy product, championship player mist of his career
And they both started from a higher ceiling.
Pan and Sam both came through lower leagues but equally both have so far spent most of their careers in L1 or L2 and I just think out ambition extends higher than his ceiling. Morsy is 31 now, plenty of time left but he's had to scrap a few years to get there going up and down between L1 and Champ. Don't get me wrong he's class, love him but still he's probably not going to be a PL player, at least not for long. OIf it takes us 2 years to go up he's 33....
Pan yet to prove he can make the step up
Even Ben White came through Brighton as they moved into the PL
But really I was asking about the clubs. I think we can all agree that good players can get better going out on loan but equally player trading is vital, esp now the finnancial side has changed, we have to bring money in.
Our net spend on transfers is almost 0, trading well is essential and we're not in a position to stockpile a stable of players yes we might be able to sell him for more later but if selling now allows us to progress then surely its for the greater good.
Bottom line though, i think out ambitioion is above his ceiling, whether we then sign the right players is obviously a different question | |
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It would also be a big ask for Humphries, are we going to boot him out for £500k as well? |
Well you're comparing a player who's had regular game time at the top of L1 with a player that has had regular game time at the top of L2 so whilst not quite chalk and cheese, a marked difference. The former is 19, the latter 22 so the L1 regular has played at a higher level at a younger age despite being 3 years behind in his development so no, in that basis I reckon I'd ask a bit more for Cam | |
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| Derby embargo lifted on 20:48 - May 11 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Fair point and good examples, but I still feel that for everyone of those there is at least one that doesn't make it.
Equally
Dom Ball. PL academy product and has been a championship player most of his career
Lunongo PL Academy product, championship player mist of his career
And they both started from a higher ceiling.
Pan and Sam both came through lower leagues but equally both have so far spent most of their careers in L1 or L2 and I just think out ambition extends higher than his ceiling. Morsy is 31 now, plenty of time left but he's had to scrap a few years to get there going up and down between L1 and Champ. Don't get me wrong he's class, love him but still he's probably not going to be a PL player, at least not for long. OIf it takes us 2 years to go up he's 33....
Pan yet to prove he can make the step up
Even Ben White came through Brighton as they moved into the PL
But really I was asking about the clubs. I think we can all agree that good players can get better going out on loan but equally player trading is vital, esp now the finnancial side has changed, we have to bring money in.
Our net spend on transfers is almost 0, trading well is essential and we're not in a position to stockpile a stable of players yes we might be able to sell him for more later but if selling now allows us to progress then surely its for the greater good.
Bottom line though, i think out ambitioion is above his ceiling, whether we then sign the right players is obviously a different question |
But whilst trading well is essential (and with all caveats of he was gone before Ashton here etc so starting from a position) was selling Downes for !1.5m and then seeing him go for 6-7x that amount the following season good player trading because we had a sell on?
This is where we are with El Miz, he has well and truly excelled, he'll have clubs falling over themselves to take him in League 1 and we can either look to retain his rights and back him to step up and potentially see him work here or get a bigger fee for him; or we can cash in now. Both have risks, but I'd argue that off the back of last season he has set a floor to his sale value which isn't going to be massively reduced whatever happens next year. | |
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| Derby embargo lifted on 21:24 - May 11 with 2106 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Derby embargo lifted on 21:03 - May 11 by itfcjoe |
But whilst trading well is essential (and with all caveats of he was gone before Ashton here etc so starting from a position) was selling Downes for !1.5m and then seeing him go for 6-7x that amount the following season good player trading because we had a sell on?
This is where we are with El Miz, he has well and truly excelled, he'll have clubs falling over themselves to take him in League 1 and we can either look to retain his rights and back him to step up and potentially see him work here or get a bigger fee for him; or we can cash in now. Both have risks, but I'd argue that off the back of last season he has set a floor to his sale value which isn't going to be massively reduced whatever happens next year. |
Well aside from the fact that Downes wanted to go so we were in a no win situation yes, because that has helped fund the team we have now built, that has got us promoted. That's exactly the point isn't it.
Downes aside the last young player we let go to truly kick us in the teeth was Rhodes.
Again, I'm not saying there isn't a risk, maybe he goes on to be worth millions but that is mitigated at least a little with a sell on and for every player that you can point too that pushes on there are so many more that don't. None of us know.
But whist there is lots of interest now why would we not cash in on a player nowhere near our 1st team and again, if we invest wisely and we progress it will be worth it | |
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Too subtle for me the first time. The follow up was needed |  |
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Wouldn't surprise me, we need 2 top quality number 9s in the Champ and not sure he fits that bill |
but he's not going to just go when he's on a good contract. I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay for another year. |  |
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| Derby embargo lifted on 21:24 - May 11 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Well aside from the fact that Downes wanted to go so we were in a no win situation yes, because that has helped fund the team we have now built, that has got us promoted. That's exactly the point isn't it.
Downes aside the last young player we let go to truly kick us in the teeth was Rhodes.
Again, I'm not saying there isn't a risk, maybe he goes on to be worth millions but that is mitigated at least a little with a sell on and for every player that you can point too that pushes on there are so many more that don't. None of us know.
But whist there is lots of interest now why would we not cash in on a player nowhere near our 1st team and again, if we invest wisely and we progress it will be worth it |
But with the level of backing we have, you shouldn't need to sell unless it is deemed the right time in order to fund things - because ultimately what is £500k for El Miz going to fund? It's peanuts in the scheme of where we are now | |
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But with the level of backing we have, you shouldn't need to sell unless it is deemed the right time in order to fund things - because ultimately what is £500k for El Miz going to fund? It's peanuts in the scheme of where we are now |
No, because we now have ffp or whatever version of it is now so money generation and turnover are essential. We can't just go out and sign a bunch of players.
We won't be selling just 1 player others will leave and hopefully Ashton negotiates as well as he has done so far. Those increments add up and swell the pot. | |
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| Derby embargo lifted on 22:35 - May 11 with 1978 views | Kievthegreat |
| Derby embargo lifted on 21:58 - May 11 by BlueandTruesince82 |
No, because we now have ffp or whatever version of it is now so money generation and turnover are essential. We can't just go out and sign a bunch of players.
We won't be selling just 1 player others will leave and hopefully Ashton negotiates as well as he has done so far. Those increments add up and swell the pot. |
Generating turnover is obviously essential, but FFP doesn't mean you have to break even. You can lose up to £39m over three years to comply with FFP. If we lost £6.4m and £12.6m in the last 2 years, next year we could £20m in the next set of results (effectively this season) and still be compliant (but very short sighted as then the following year you could only have £6.4m).
It is much more restrictive than SCMP (the league 1 & 2 rules) as they only look at wages and turnover. However it's worth remembering if Town spend £10m on players on 4 year deals (I very much doubt we will), that's only £2.5m a year as a loss. Plus if we're serious about "player trading", then we're going to be looking to buy players in and sell a proportion of them within that 4 years to recoup our money. |  | | |
| Derby embargo lifted on 23:01 - May 11 with 1922 views | Trequartista |
| Derby embargo lifted on 20:55 - May 11 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Well you're comparing a player who's had regular game time at the top of L1 with a player that has had regular game time at the top of L2 so whilst not quite chalk and cheese, a marked difference. The former is 19, the latter 22 so the L1 regular has played at a higher level at a younger age despite being 3 years behind in his development so no, in that basis I reckon I'd ask a bit more for Cam |
I take your points, i think I still disagree with you, but that's ok. | |
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| Derby embargo lifted on 23:04 - May 11 with 1919 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Derby embargo lifted on 22:35 - May 11 by Kievthegreat |
Generating turnover is obviously essential, but FFP doesn't mean you have to break even. You can lose up to £39m over three years to comply with FFP. If we lost £6.4m and £12.6m in the last 2 years, next year we could £20m in the next set of results (effectively this season) and still be compliant (but very short sighted as then the following year you could only have £6.4m).
It is much more restrictive than SCMP (the league 1 & 2 rules) as they only look at wages and turnover. However it's worth remembering if Town spend £10m on players on 4 year deals (I very much doubt we will), that's only £2.5m a year as a loss. Plus if we're serious about "player trading", then we're going to be looking to buy players in and sell a proportion of them within that 4 years to recoup our money. |
But the more money that comes in the more we can do, the owners have been clear the club has to be sustainable.
I simply think there is every chance that he is close to as valuable now as he ever will be, he's not going to play here, if the right offer come in you take it. Again maybe not.... how much do mid tier championship players go for? How much have Morsy? Ball bought in in transfers?
If we sell the buying club may make a profit on him but I don't think we're talking about amoyher Adam Webster here, there isn't that buzz around El Miz, he's clearly a good player but he's not as good as Downes was so I think you take the money now whilst interest is high.
I get the counter argument , its a fair one. But too me 500k for a player who at 22 isn't close to the 1st team would be decent business.
I'd say successful clubs, Brighton a prime example have done well at taking profits, buying well and selling well and reinvesting well | |
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| Derby embargo lifted on 23:33 - May 11 with 1881 views | jayessess |
| Derby embargo lifted on 21:58 - May 11 by BlueandTruesince82 |
No, because we now have ffp or whatever version of it is now so money generation and turnover are essential. We can't just go out and sign a bunch of players.
We won't be selling just 1 player others will leave and hopefully Ashton negotiates as well as he has done so far. Those increments add up and swell the pot. |
The money generating player trading that's key to us thriving under Championship FFP isn't about picking up modest bits of cash by selling players we've half developed. It's about first team players excelling in the Championship and getting big moves up the chain for £10m+.
Offloading surplus players on our fringes isn't going to be much help and offloading young players before their value has peaked an absolute hindrance. |  |
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| Derby embargo lifted on 20:14 - May 11 by itfcjoe |
If you look at Brighton as an example and see how 2 of their 'assets' did....
Matt Cleake, signed from Pompey after good season in League 2, then good season in League 1, then rather than let someone else steal a march they sign him and put him at Derby in Champ, ends up staying there 2 seasons on loan, then a further loan at WBA and at that stage they realise he won't be able to step up after exhausting the option they sell him for more than twice as much as they paid for him despite never playing for them
Ben White on other hand - goes to Newport in League 2 and does well, then next season at Posh in League 1, then with Leeds in the Champ and they realise he does have the capability to step up so bring him back in the fold and he excels for first team.
Brighton the best example for this and this long article is really interesting on it
https://analyticsfc.co.uk/blog/2021/09/08/loan-pathways-the-buy-to-loan-model/
And with our squad, when you look at their age 21 season they were doing this:
El Mizouni - star role in L2 winners and team of season
Ball - played 10 or so games on loan at Aberdeen in SPL
Luongo - playing regularly for a good Swindon side in L1
Evans - playing regularly for a good Bradford side in L1
Morsy - winning the L2 title with Chesterfield
Camara - playing League 2 football with Crawley
So he's basically at the same level as everyone in our current squad was at a similar age.
If we could get him a decent loan sorted for League 1 next season, where his wages are fully paid, then there is a chance that he can be worth much more than what we'd sell him for coming out of League 2 |
Just a quick question.
You've made a detailed case that he's at the same level as others in our squad at the same age which is valid.
However most (I behind including yourself) agree we should aim higher than the players at the current level so given that is there that much upside in keeping him?
Your argument about level at age 21 only really works if he kicks on significantly more than anyone else in our squad that you've made the comparison with doesn't it?
I'm certainly not against keeping him and loaning him out, it's probably a wise move. I'm just trying to avoid about blue tinted specs here.
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| Derby embargo lifted on 23:58 - May 11 with 1856 views | jayessess |
| Derby embargo lifted on 23:40 - May 11 by StokieBlue |
Just a quick question.
You've made a detailed case that he's at the same level as others in our squad at the same age which is valid.
However most (I behind including yourself) agree we should aim higher than the players at the current level so given that is there that much upside in keeping him?
Your argument about level at age 21 only really works if he kicks on significantly more than anyone else in our squad that you've made the comparison with doesn't it?
I'm certainly not against keeping him and loaning him out, it's probably a wise move. I'm just trying to avoid about blue tinted specs here.
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If he kicked on to that kind of level, he'd be worth more than he is now.
The potential downside here is that he has a bad season in League One and damages his worth. The potential upside is that he performs well, increases his value or develops to standard where he's useful to our first team.
Plus, for all the talk of preparing for an even higher level, the likeliest outcome is that we'll still be a Championship side for 2024-25. It's not impossible that it'll suit us financially to have a Morsy/Luongo-level squad player ready to step into someone's shoes at some point. | |
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| Derby embargo lifted on 23:58 - May 11 by jayessess |
If he kicked on to that kind of level, he'd be worth more than he is now.
The potential downside here is that he has a bad season in League One and damages his worth. The potential upside is that he performs well, increases his value or develops to standard where he's useful to our first team.
Plus, for all the talk of preparing for an even higher level, the likeliest outcome is that we'll still be a Championship side for 2024-25. It's not impossible that it'll suit us financially to have a Morsy/Luongo-level squad player ready to step into someone's shoes at some point. |
We'd be daft to sell him for £500k. If Derby are really keen on him, that would be a perfect destination for a season long loan. A chance to develop under a decent manager at a club that will be in and amongst the top 6 next season. If he has anything like the season he's had this year in L1, his stock only continues to rise. He's a player with all the attributes to really kick on. |  | | |
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| Derby embargo lifted on 23:33 - May 11 by jayessess |
The money generating player trading that's key to us thriving under Championship FFP isn't about picking up modest bits of cash by selling players we've half developed. It's about first team players excelling in the Championship and getting big moves up the chain for £10m+.
Offloading surplus players on our fringes isn't going to be much help and offloading young players before their value has peaked an absolute hindrance. |
It's about both.
It's about doing good business where we can. To scoff at a decent fee for a player who is nowhere near tbe 1st team is foolhardy IMO esp on the basis that he might be worth a bit more down the line.
How much more? Do you see him as a possible PL player. Those we in our squad we are comparing him too never have been? So to turn up your nose at 500k must mean you think he'll be worth many millions at some stage, I'm not convinced there is that much in him.
We all laughed at Simpson, 1 good half season in L2 and ge that means he'll be great he thinks? Lol was the general consensus but now after barely 6 months more suddenly we're bigging El Miz up like he's the next KDB.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. He's nit going g to play herez he's 22, not old of course but an age where he should be pushing to get in the squad which he isn't. Out ambition is higher and clubs are ready to put down monet now.
I'm the face of all that holding on to him because he might be worth a but more later just seems odd
Edit should add that 500k is a no I plucked our of thin air, I imagine any fee will be undisclosed so its all hypotheticals around the figures.
Though I'd be keen to know what people would take [Post edited 12 May 2023 8:26]
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| Derby embargo lifted on 21:24 - May 11 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Well aside from the fact that Downes wanted to go so we were in a no win situation yes, because that has helped fund the team we have now built, that has got us promoted. That's exactly the point isn't it.
Downes aside the last young player we let go to truly kick us in the teeth was Rhodes.
Again, I'm not saying there isn't a risk, maybe he goes on to be worth millions but that is mitigated at least a little with a sell on and for every player that you can point too that pushes on there are so many more that don't. None of us know.
But whist there is lots of interest now why would we not cash in on a player nowhere near our 1st team and again, if we invest wisely and we progress it will be worth it |
I thought Downes wanted to stay? |  |
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| Derby embargo lifted on 10:40 - May 12 with 1558 views | Macedonian_Gerrard |
not overly comfortable selling to Derby as an institution to be honest, their flagrant book-cooking and dodgy accounting in the champ made a bit of a mockery of the whole system there, not to mention supposedly not having a pot to pee in this year yet being able to bring in the likes of Hourihane/Diddsy/Barkhuizen/NML on what you'd assume are pretty hefty wages considering all of them dropped down a level
Plus Warne is a budgie so he can keep his grubby mitts off our lot! |  | | |
| Derby embargo lifted on 10:50 - May 12 with 1537 views | jayessess |
| Derby embargo lifted on 07:55 - May 12 by BlueandTruesince82 |
It's about both.
It's about doing good business where we can. To scoff at a decent fee for a player who is nowhere near tbe 1st team is foolhardy IMO esp on the basis that he might be worth a bit more down the line.
How much more? Do you see him as a possible PL player. Those we in our squad we are comparing him too never have been? So to turn up your nose at 500k must mean you think he'll be worth many millions at some stage, I'm not convinced there is that much in him.
We all laughed at Simpson, 1 good half season in L2 and ge that means he'll be great he thinks? Lol was the general consensus but now after barely 6 months more suddenly we're bigging El Miz up like he's the next KDB.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. He's nit going g to play herez he's 22, not old of course but an age where he should be pushing to get in the squad which he isn't. Out ambition is higher and clubs are ready to put down monet now.
I'm the face of all that holding on to him because he might be worth a but more later just seems odd
Edit should add that 500k is a no I plucked our of thin air, I imagine any fee will be undisclosed so its all hypotheticals around the figures.
Though I'd be keen to know what people would take [Post edited 12 May 2023 8:26]
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It's not odd, it's maximising the value of your assets!
Selling a player for £500k now, when you could sell for more in 12 months time or use him in 12 months time rather than pay more for someone with a similar ceiling isn't good business. Whether the difference is £250k or £5m, it'd still be bad business.
It's hard for me to tell what El Mizouni's level is. He's just had his first full season in the EFL and will have developed as a player from his last games for us. Clearly the other clubs who are interested reckon they're going to be able to realise more value for him. Derby obviously think he'll excel in League One (which would up his value considerably). Watford, whose aspirations are similar to ours, clearly think there's a good chance they realise a profit out of him. [Post edited 12 May 2023 11:03]
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| Derby embargo lifted on 11:41 - May 12 with 1491 views | hoppy |
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not overly comfortable selling to Derby as an institution to be honest, their flagrant book-cooking and dodgy accounting in the champ made a bit of a mockery of the whole system there, not to mention supposedly not having a pot to pee in this year yet being able to bring in the likes of Hourihane/Diddsy/Barkhuizen/NML on what you'd assume are pretty hefty wages considering all of them dropped down a level
Plus Warne is a budgie so he can keep his grubby mitts off our lot! |
"...yet being able to bring in the likes of Hourihane/Diddsy/Barkhuizen/NML on what you'd assume are pretty hefty wages..."
For what good it did them! |  |
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