| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... 23:39 - May 12 with 5503 views | Adelaideblue |
I have to say I hate the play offs...
The season ended and let's be honest the top three teams were head and shoulders better than the rest if Div 1 this year, but due to pressure, morale, or what ever it looks like one won't be going up.
Regardless of how we feel about any particular team,surely that's neither fair or right...? |  | | |  |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 09:07 - May 13 with 1309 views | brogansnose |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 01:34 - May 13 by BigCommon |
There's an argument to say that a team that loses to FGR and gets hammered 4-0 At Posh, ain't all that.
Perhaps their points total flatters them a bit? |
It's what happens over the course of the season as it is for everyone else. In addition to what you've said, they were 8 points clear on us and two games in hand. They've totally chuffed this up and its all on them. |  | | |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 09:08 - May 13 with 1298 views | GlasgowBlue |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 09:07 - May 13 by brogansnose |
It's what happens over the course of the season as it is for everyone else. In addition to what you've said, they were 8 points clear on us and two games in hand. They've totally chuffed this up and its all on them. |
The only team to lose against FGR in 2023. |  |
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| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 09:23 - May 13 with 1283 views | brogansnose |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 09:08 - May 13 by GlasgowBlue |
The only team to lose against FGR in 2023. |
I think the signs were there quite early that they might wobble and whereas McK and Ashton looked at recruitment to make sure that we would get over the line, they didn't. I'm mateybobs with a few Wednesday fans and go up there quite a bit and they were all saying that their performances were patchy plus they lost McGuiness and other key players like Windass and Byers for a while to injury. They may well have had their noses in front but when promotion is imperative - it certainly is for them - then you make damn sure you get it over the line. | | | |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 09:31 - May 13 with 1272 views | GeoffSentence |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 01:34 - May 13 by BigCommon |
There's an argument to say that a team that loses to FGR and gets hammered 4-0 At Posh, ain't all that.
Perhaps their points total flatters them a bit? |
It was a missile enhanced total.
I can certainly think of two points they should not have had. |  |
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| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 09:46 - May 13 with 1261 views | Pinewoodblue |
Wednesday can only blame themselves, if they hadn’t beaten Derby in last day of season they wouldn’t have had to play P’boro in play offs. |  |
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| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 09:54 - May 13 with 1244 views | Sharkey |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 07:55 - May 13 by Wickets |
For years there was only 2 up and 2 down in all 4 leagues so the play offs can be seen as an extra and a free hit . Also the play offs are very entertaining and lucrative of course but i agree it seems wrong that a 19 point gap that has taken a whole season gets wiped out by a single match . It's a tough world so take it on the chin Owls and come back stronger its the only way . |
The fourth division has always had four teams promoted to the third division, ever since 1958-59 when it started. |  | | |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 10:46 - May 13 with 1217 views | You_Bloo_Right |
So how about the Serie B system?
Key "fairness" elements there seem to me to be the idea that the 3rd placed team just goes up if 10 or more points clear of 4th and the golf-style "cut" of how many teams get into any playoffs (all teams within 14 points of 3rd to enter a playoff "tournament" - some single leg games, some two-leg, etc etc). |  |
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| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 11:08 - May 13 with 1203 views | Swansea_Blue |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 09:31 - May 13 by GeoffSentence |
It was a missile enhanced total.
I can certainly think of two points they should not have had. |
Yep. And nobody should be surprised at Peterborough doing this either. They’ve hammered some good teams this season. They put 5 past Plymouth not long ago. And they seem to be able to get a few on the road as well, so the second leg isn’t likely to be much easier for Wednesday. |  |
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| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 11:15 - May 13 with 1197 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 01:26 - May 13 by Sarge |
Tension and drama should be borne out by what happens on the pitch though. Not artificially created by stopping the game for 10 minutes whilst some people in a portacabin miles away draw blurry lines on a blurry screen and try and make perfect decisions with imperfect measurements. What’s fun about partially celebrating a goal and then having to wait to do the rest?
The whole thing is a sham and, like voter ID, is worse than whatever problem it was apparently trying to fix. |
Why have you added the word blurry twice to try and make it sound worse? |  |
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| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 11:21 - May 13 with 1194 views | Churchman |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 07:59 - May 13 by Wickets |
Of course and i agree but i cant help and feel a bit sorry for the Owls fans , reminds me of a time when we got done by West Han after finishing clear of them in the Championship table . |
In 2005, we finished 3rd on 85 points, 12 clear of West Ham. We’d looked good for top two for a chunk of the season. 3 straight defeats in Feb, 1 win in the last 5 meant we missed out and went into the playoffs with iffy form.
West Ham with their nasty players and ugly all day supporters dishing up the abuse, well and truly did us at home. Unfair? Not really - those were the rules. We really did throw a good chance away that season. |  | | |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 11:32 - May 13 with 1187 views | Chrisd |
I know every teams knows the rules before the season starts, but the EFL should look at the way the National League/non league does their play offs. They certainly try to give the advantage to the teams that finish higher in the league by giving them home advantage in a one off game. I appreciate this doesn’t always result in the higher positioned team progressing, but if the play offs are here to stay, which they seem like they are, then it seems the fairest system. | |
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| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 12:19 - May 13 with 1166 views | DBaldy |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 23:50 - May 12 by SE1blue |
I like the playoffs as I think the leagues below the Premiership need some drama and highs and lows to compete for attention.
I’d love to see some kind of home advantage though. I don’t think it should be over two legs. The higher placed team should get to play at home in a one-off game. Winner progresses to the final. |
I've been saying it should be a single game with the higher placed team at home, ever since the playoffs started 30-whatever years ago.
Have to laugh at last night's result though, karma can be a bitch. | | | |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 12:46 - May 13 with 1139 views | stonojnr |
Im more perplexed I think by people getting excitable & complaining about a setup thats worked for 30+ years in its current format.
and Town arent even involved in it this season
in fact Town have only been involved in it once for nearly 20 years, and the irony of the changes people want, mean Town then wouldnt have been involved in that one, we finished 6th, 8 points behind Norwich in 3rd that year.
whatever Sheff Weds issues are, losing 4-0 to Peterborough is solely on them, their players, their management, its nothing to do with the format of the playoffs. | | | |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 12:54 - May 13 with 1134 views | Stewart27 |
No. Not at all.
We’ve fallen foul to it before, but everybody knows the score before the season starts.
Ask any club at the start of the season if they’d rather take a 1 in 24 chance of finishing 3rd or a 1 in 6 chance of 3-6 and they’d all opt for the latter.
I pose this question to you. Play offs or no play offs in the championship next season? | | | |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 14:25 - May 13 with 1083 views | BigCommon |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 11:08 - May 13 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep. And nobody should be surprised at Peterborough doing this either. They’ve hammered some good teams this season. They put 5 past Plymouth not long ago. And they seem to be able to get a few on the road as well, so the second leg isn’t likely to be much easier for Wednesday. |
Agree, take nothing away from Posh. Think they can turn anyone over on their day. And if I'm honest, the Posh away fixture on our run in, was one that worried before we played them... I guess what I meant was, that SW , imo, aren't head and shoulders above the rest of the division, as the OP suggests.... Tbf, even a section of Owls fans, thought they were less than impressive during their unbeaten run, and were just getting over the line in many of those games. Impressive run, all the same... In all honesty, I think that unbeaten run might have stuffed them a bit. Had they lost a couple more games before January,they may well have strengthened their squad in the window, as Plymouth and ourselves did?.. Lack of squad depth has killed them, imo. Likewise, you might say, that our mini injury crisis around November time, was a blessing in disguise? Forcing us to reevaluate the squad and really bolster it in the Jan window...... I can't remember a more crucial January window tbf... |  | | |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 18:23 - May 13 with 1045 views | BrockleyBlue78 |
I’d keep the playoffs but change the format to similar to the IPL.
Top 2 up automatically, then the teams finishing 3rd to 6th go into the playoffs:
Qualifier 1: This is between the third and fourth placed teams.
Eliminator: This involves the teams finishing fifth and sixth, the loser of this game is immediately eliminated.
Qualifier 2: The loser of Qualifier 1 will then take on the winner of the Eliminator.
Final: This is contested between the winner of Qualifier 1 and Qualifier 2.
More incentive for teams to finish higher whilst also fairer to teams finishing higher. No more 2 legs, highest placed team in each game plays at home, except for the final that’s at Wembley. |  | | |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 18:35 - May 13 with 1015 views | DBaldy |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 12:46 - May 13 by stonojnr |
Im more perplexed I think by people getting excitable & complaining about a setup thats worked for 30+ years in its current format.
and Town arent even involved in it this season
in fact Town have only been involved in it once for nearly 20 years, and the irony of the changes people want, mean Town then wouldnt have been involved in that one, we finished 6th, 8 points behind Norwich in 3rd that year.
whatever Sheff Weds issues are, losing 4-0 to Peterborough is solely on them, their players, their management, its nothing to do with the format of the playoffs. |
It's obviously a case of differing opinions, but my view is & always has been that the teams finishing higher should have a more significant advantage than just being at home in the deciding game.
As we've seen last night Wednesday are already out of it, so what use to them is having the 2nd leg at home?
With just a single home game that advantage would be more pronounced which, in my opinion, is as it should be for the team finishing higher | | | |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 23:46 - May 13 with 965 views | Vaughan8 |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 09:00 - May 13 by GlasgowBlue |
Whilst I agree with your sentiment, the season would be over for most times by March and the loss I’d revenue would impact in those clubs.
I would change the format of the play offs though. I’d expand it to the teams finishing 3rd to 7th, the team finishing 3rd is automatically through to the final at Wembley, with the other 4 playing two semi finals over two legs, then a one leg final at the home ground of whichever team finished in the highest position. The winner meets 3rd at Wembley.
Edit. I see WKJ proposing something similar. [Post edited 13 May 2023 9:03]
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The 3rd straight to the final surely just shifts it.
What if 3rd and 4th are separated on goal difference, but are 15 points ahead of 5th.surely then it just shifts to "its unfair on the 4th team"?
Personally I like the national league way. Isn't perfect still but I think it is fairer. A one off game at home to the higher team is fairer than a 2 legged affair. | | | |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 06:33 - May 14 with 925 views | yorkshireblue |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 18:35 - May 13 by DBaldy |
It's obviously a case of differing opinions, but my view is & always has been that the teams finishing higher should have a more significant advantage than just being at home in the deciding game.
As we've seen last night Wednesday are already out of it, so what use to them is having the 2nd leg at home?
With just a single home game that advantage would be more pronounced which, in my opinion, is as it should be for the team finishing higher |
I’d be interested to know if the higher placed team had the choice of playing the home fixture either first or second, how many would choose the current format? |  | | |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 09:46 - May 14 with 895 views | ElephantintheRoom |
It IS patently absurd. I’m not sure where the idea came from - after all if you wanted to decide the league via cup format you could dispense with the league and have three different cups for promotion. But then the etire ‘jeopardy of relegation is loaded. The Premier League attempts to have the same rubbish teams promoted that get relegated via money doping and the unwanted clubs in the lower leagues have the double lottery of more going into the third than going out - or the fourth where once you’re gone you’re stuffed. | |
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| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 14:42 - May 14 with 831 views | GeoffSentence |
| But seriously, isn't that the problem with playoffs.... on 09:46 - May 14 by ElephantintheRoom |
It IS patently absurd. I’m not sure where the idea came from - after all if you wanted to decide the league via cup format you could dispense with the league and have three different cups for promotion. But then the etire ‘jeopardy of relegation is loaded. The Premier League attempts to have the same rubbish teams promoted that get relegated via money doping and the unwanted clubs in the lower leagues have the double lottery of more going into the third than going out - or the fourth where once you’re gone you’re stuffed. |
The idea came from trying to reduce the premier league from 22 teams to 20. To make it fair, rather than relegate more teams from the premier league or promote fewer from division one, they put a play-off system in place to involving 4th bottom from the premier league and 3 teams from division one to determine who got the last spot.
The play offs were a success, more interest in the closing weeks of the season and the jeopardy of the play offs led to bigger crowds, so they were kept. | |
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