| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… 10:21 - May 17 with 5466 views | Bloots |
….seems ridiculous given that they’ve probably over achieved this season.
It brings into question what would have happened to McKenna if we had failed to get promoted this year.
With the investment and the ambition I suspect that questions would have been being asked by the ITFC money men.
Small margins innit. |  |
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 10:23 - May 17 with 4679 views | Zx1988 |
Makes no sense whatsoever given the season they've had.
Yes they were poor last night, but Luton are a good side and it would be insane to pull the trigger based upon one poor performance.
Imagine if we'd sacked Burley after going out of the playoffs in 1997... |  |
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 10:35 - May 17 with 4572 views | Guthrum |
Didn't see the new thread. [Post edited 17 May 2023 10:35]
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 10:41 - May 17 with 4532 views | Funge |
A Mackem mate was hugely underwhelmed when they got Mogga in, following Neil running off to Stoke.
Text me this morning - hugely proud of the team and manager., especially in light of aforementioned Gollum departure, and Ross Stewart being out for most of the 2nd half of the season.
Gutted they went out, of course.
Not sure if Mogga could've done a great deal more; hopefully he gets a trip to PR next year. |  | | |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:10 - May 17 with 4413 views | Scuzzer |
I head this phrase 'over achieved ' used last night in the commentary. I dont think they have...they were where they deserved to be. Dont think any team can be seen to over achieve...unless you put it in context of their own ambitions. Not sure we know what they were. |  |
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| Probably the best way to look at it…. on 11:18 - May 17 with 4347 views | Bloots |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:10 - May 17 by Scuzzer |
I head this phrase 'over achieved ' used last night in the commentary. I dont think they have...they were where they deserved to be. Dont think any team can be seen to over achieve...unless you put it in context of their own ambitions. Not sure we know what they were. |
…is simply where would you have predicted them to finish at the start of the season.
I doubt many would have predicted Sunderland to get into the play offs. The odds said that they wouldn’t, in that respect they have over achieved, particularly in comparison to other teams.
Did we over achieve this season? Categorically not.
Personally I expect us to be challenging for the play offs next year, so to over achieve I would say we need to be challenging for the automatic places. | |
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| The whole situation with Alex Neil is funny…. on 11:21 - May 17 with 4315 views | Bloots |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 10:41 - May 17 by Funge |
A Mackem mate was hugely underwhelmed when they got Mogga in, following Neil running off to Stoke.
Text me this morning - hugely proud of the team and manager., especially in light of aforementioned Gollum departure, and Ross Stewart being out for most of the 2nd half of the season.
Gutted they went out, of course.
Not sure if Mogga could've done a great deal more; hopefully he gets a trip to PR next year. |
….on the face of it.
But I now wonder if he knew it was Premier League or the sack and he just didn’t think they had enough.
But he’s an ex budgie and looks a bit like Gollum, so it’s still funny. | |
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:24 - May 17 with 4286 views | Deano69 |
The plan and expectation was for us to go up next season, but seeing there was a real chance it could happen this season we were backed in the January Window. Its still a long term project at ITFC and see no reason for that deviating just yet. Lots of credit in the bank for KM and no reason to believe we will need to fully rebuild or capitulate in the Championship.
Mowbray though, think its harsh on him if thats the case. Done a decent job in his last 3 clubs if you ask me |  |
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:33 - May 17 with 4178 views | stonojnr |
There were Town fans willing to chuck McKenna out in January as a busted flush.
It will be interesting to see if the mood changes if we struggle in parts of the season.
Sunderland expect to be in the Premier league, their fans certainly expect that, so failing in the playoffs is bound to increase the pressure on Mowbray and they only got their on goal difference so there's going be a feeling they aren't achieving their aims, even if outside the club they're doing better than you'd expect.
The average span of a Championship manager is something like 10months, Mowbray has now pretty much had his 10 months, so do they continue or like more than half the Championship clubs did last year swap their manager. | | | |
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| Over v under achieving on 11:40 - May 17 with 4127 views | Pendejo |
| Probably the best way to look at it…. on 11:18 - May 17 by Bloots |
…is simply where would you have predicted them to finish at the start of the season.
I doubt many would have predicted Sunderland to get into the play offs. The odds said that they wouldn’t, in that respect they have over achieved, particularly in comparison to other teams.
Did we over achieve this season? Categorically not.
Personally I expect us to be challenging for the play offs next year, so to over achieve I would say we need to be challenging for the automatic places. |
Sunderland by far the best supported team in the division are serial under achievers, but when viewed over 5 season definitely over achieved.
Luton based on stadia and match day income over achieved, so far, based on last 5 years, year on year improvement despite managerial upheaval maybe still over achieved.
Whereas Naaaaaridge definitely under achieved. |  |
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:44 - May 17 with 4098 views | Pendejo |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:33 - May 17 by stonojnr |
There were Town fans willing to chuck McKenna out in January as a busted flush.
It will be interesting to see if the mood changes if we struggle in parts of the season.
Sunderland expect to be in the Premier league, their fans certainly expect that, so failing in the playoffs is bound to increase the pressure on Mowbray and they only got their on goal difference so there's going be a feeling they aren't achieving their aims, even if outside the club they're doing better than you'd expect.
The average span of a Championship manager is something like 10months, Mowbray has now pretty much had his 10 months, so do they continue or like more than half the Championship clubs did last year swap their manager. |
Mowbray joined mid-season didn't he?
As for this January putsch against Super Keiran McKenna - name & shame, back it up with evidence. I want see the buffoons exposed. | |
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:47 - May 17 with 4080 views | MattinLondon |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:33 - May 17 by stonojnr |
There were Town fans willing to chuck McKenna out in January as a busted flush.
It will be interesting to see if the mood changes if we struggle in parts of the season.
Sunderland expect to be in the Premier league, their fans certainly expect that, so failing in the playoffs is bound to increase the pressure on Mowbray and they only got their on goal difference so there's going be a feeling they aren't achieving their aims, even if outside the club they're doing better than you'd expect.
The average span of a Championship manager is something like 10months, Mowbray has now pretty much had his 10 months, so do they continue or like more than half the Championship clubs did last year swap their manager. |
There were only a few Town fans who wanted KM to leave - Twitter gave them a louder voice but it was still on a relatively few.
Sunderland did very well to end up in the playoffs and Mogga should be praised for what he has so far achieved.
On the side, considering it only took 69 points to get into the playoffs, I’m quite confident that we stand a good chance of being top 6 contenders. |  | | |
| Yeah, it’s a shame that… on 11:50 - May 17 with 4044 views | Bloots |
| Over v under achieving on 11:40 - May 17 by Pendejo |
Sunderland by far the best supported team in the division are serial under achievers, but when viewed over 5 season definitely over achieved.
Luton based on stadia and match day income over achieved, so far, based on last 5 years, year on year improvement despite managerial upheaval maybe still over achieved.
Whereas Naaaaaridge definitely under achieved. |
…our success this season had somewhat taken our eye off the disastrous season the budgies have had.
The money is diminishing, the assets are depreciating and the fans are revolting.
They need a big rebuild and I’m not sure that signing an aging non scoring centre forward is a good start. | |
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:51 - May 17 with 4039 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:44 - May 17 by Pendejo |
Mowbray joined mid-season didn't he?
As for this January putsch against Super Keiran McKenna - name & shame, back it up with evidence. I want see the buffoons exposed. |
There were a minority of idiots to be fair. Most of us appreciated that he was on a learning curve.
We even had hysterical edgelords that said we wouldn’t even make the playoffs…given what happened since Jan, if that was me I’d have left the forum and disappeared into the shadows! | | | |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:51 - May 17 with 4039 views | Dubtractor |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:24 - May 17 by Deano69 |
The plan and expectation was for us to go up next season, but seeing there was a real chance it could happen this season we were backed in the January Window. Its still a long term project at ITFC and see no reason for that deviating just yet. Lots of credit in the bank for KM and no reason to believe we will need to fully rebuild or capitulate in the Championship.
Mowbray though, think its harsh on him if thats the case. Done a decent job in his last 3 clubs if you ask me |
Nah, I'm pretty certain the plan was for us to go up last season, otherwise Cook wouldn't have been sacked in November.
Our owners are not throwing money at us to expect slow returns, though thankfully they are seemingly realistic about what may actually happen. [Post edited 17 May 2023 13:42]
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:54 - May 17 with 4024 views | Pendejo |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:51 - May 17 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
There were a minority of idiots to be fair. Most of us appreciated that he was on a learning curve.
We even had hysterical edgelords that said we wouldn’t even make the playoffs…given what happened since Jan, if that was me I’d have left the forum and disappeared into the shadows! |
We didn't make the play offs! They were right, whike being wrong. | |
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 12:06 - May 17 with 3945 views | GeoffSentence |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:33 - May 17 by stonojnr |
There were Town fans willing to chuck McKenna out in January as a busted flush.
It will be interesting to see if the mood changes if we struggle in parts of the season.
Sunderland expect to be in the Premier league, their fans certainly expect that, so failing in the playoffs is bound to increase the pressure on Mowbray and they only got their on goal difference so there's going be a feeling they aren't achieving their aims, even if outside the club they're doing better than you'd expect.
The average span of a Championship manager is something like 10months, Mowbray has now pretty much had his 10 months, so do they continue or like more than half the Championship clubs did last year swap their manager. |
That 10 month average is surely influenced down by Watford changing manager every 10 days. |  |
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 12:16 - May 17 with 3883 views | Illinoisblue |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:47 - May 17 by MattinLondon |
There were only a few Town fans who wanted KM to leave - Twitter gave them a louder voice but it was still on a relatively few.
Sunderland did very well to end up in the playoffs and Mogga should be praised for what he has so far achieved.
On the side, considering it only took 69 points to get into the playoffs, I’m quite confident that we stand a good chance of being top 6 contenders. |
Anyone got the receipts on those few? |  |
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 12:30 - May 17 with 3794 views | Vegtablue |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:51 - May 17 by Dubtractor |
Nah, I'm pretty certain the plan was for us to go up last season, otherwise Cook wouldn't have been sacked in November.
Our owners are not throwing money at us to expect slow returns, though thankfully they are seemingly realistic about what may actually happen. [Post edited 17 May 2023 13:42]
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Yeah I'd be gobsmacked if club expectation* was for us to be in L1 for the 23/24 season.
*true for the period from April 2021 to January 2023 I'd wager.
Conceivable obviously. Imagine they saw an outside possibility for 20/21, were optimistic for 21/22 and confident for 22/23. | | | |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 12:38 - May 17 with 3728 views | Chrisd |
Naturally, we are all seeing this from the outside and that Mowbray is an ex Town player and captain we have that emotional attachment to back him to the hilt. However, Sunderland have been a club in a terrible state over recent seasons, Mowbray is exactly the type of manager they need on the tiller to get them more on an even keel and then you have all this nonsense brewing?! They did brilliantly to finish in the top 6, surely no one was really expecting that at the start of the season? Hope rather than expectation. | |
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| Nah, I think the expectation… on 12:42 - May 17 with 3693 views | Bloots |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:24 - May 17 by Deano69 |
The plan and expectation was for us to go up next season, but seeing there was a real chance it could happen this season we were backed in the January Window. Its still a long term project at ITFC and see no reason for that deviating just yet. Lots of credit in the bank for KM and no reason to believe we will need to fully rebuild or capitulate in the Championship.
Mowbray though, think its harsh on him if thats the case. Done a decent job in his last 3 clubs if you ask me |
….is that we go up every season.
It will be the expectation again this year. | |
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 12:47 - May 17 with 3643 views | clive_baker |
| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 11:44 - May 17 by Pendejo |
Mowbray joined mid-season didn't he?
As for this January putsch against Super Keiran McKenna - name & shame, back it up with evidence. I want see the buffoons exposed. |
Mogga joined them at the start of the season. I'm sure they would've discussed targets and expectations so the only under or over achieving will be with the context of that. I would be surprised as a newly promoted club who didn't change too much of the side if finishing 6th and going out in the p/offs would be cause for being sacked, but it's football and stranger things have happened.
Their fans generally seem to be viewing it as a good season on the whole, rightly so. |  |
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| Nah, I think the expectation… on 13:12 - May 17 with 3523 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Nah, I think the expectation… on 12:42 - May 17 by Bloots |
….is that we go up every season.
It will be the expectation again this year. |
Probably won’t be in 2024/25 if we meet that goal, however |  |
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 13:56 - May 17 with 3311 views | CrockerITFC |
Joke of a club, deserve to go down if they sack him after that season |  | | |
| Europe, innit. (n/t) on 14:07 - May 17 with 3262 views | Bloots |
| Nah, I think the expectation… on 13:12 - May 17 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Probably won’t be in 2024/25 if we meet that goal, however |
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| Mowbray under pressure at Sunderland… on 14:23 - May 17 with 3186 views | Metal_Hacker |
Crazy scenario to be fair and something that IMHO shouldn't be happening - he's done a great job
That aside I can't help but hope the wrong will be corrected sooner rather than later - it's plausible after tonight we could have either Coventry or Luton in the Premier League. Regardless of back story , it's a horrible thought
That said , it gives me hope ! |  |
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