| Surely Morsy is off? 07:42 - Jul 21 with 9608 views | Wallingford_Boy |
I mean, I’m gutted, but at his age it’s just too big an opportunity, he’d be mad to say no.
I’m happy with Luongo/Taylor but guess we’ll be after a replacement. |  |
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| Surely Morsy is off? on 09:54 - Jul 21 with 3676 views | itfcjoe |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 09:01 - Jul 21 by unbelievablue |
And good luck to you, for sure. Your situation (not to diminish your influence ;)) is a bit different to someone in a position of publicity and role modelling. I had this position with LIV and I think I'll broadly stick by it when it comes to football in Saudi (albeit on a case by case basis). Henderson put a lot into the Rainbow Laces campaign, so if he goes and plays in Saudi, I think it's fair to point out the level of hypocrisy.
Some people get quite defensive when others make what they consider to be a principled stand, especially when it comes to turning down money. But who am I to judge, eh? We're all walking contradictions. |
I do agree re Henderson, he's made his bed really and of all the players going he is the one that grates the most because you hope/assume he is a good man, a good leader and somebody who has shown strong morals in the face of things.
I don't think this in anyway makes him a bad person, but it does show his morals had a price and it has been met so now they will be parked.
I do think there is an interesting angle that the only way Saudi will become more progressive is by more Western influences on the populace, and from the bottom up rather than top down - but I can't say henderson is one who deserves credit for that in anyway
It's also a bit galling when you hear Gerrard talk about 'the project' etc when reality is he is there for the money and if he said that people would be more understanding
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| Surely Morsy is off? on 09:56 - Jul 21 with 3646 views | ipswichtillidie |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 08:56 - Jul 21 by itfcjoe |
I saw Henderson will earn more on this one contract than he has in rest of career up until now - crazy stuff.
If I could earn more than I have in my career for spending 2 years in Saudi I'd do it - don't know what that figure is but it's probably not much different to what Henderson is earning in a week and would be life changing and worth it. |
Henderson is a terrible example of greed. He’s starting games for England and potentially we are on the brink with the team we have of winning the next tournament. He has essentially signed off his England career now for a pay day. Already a multi millionaire. I hope England are successful and he will regret this move but each to their own I guess. I think the Saudi league is perfect for the English game, it’s ridding us of all the players who play for money not the love of the game. |  |
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| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:05 - Jul 21 with 3609 views | Guthrum |
It's a difficult one for fans to contemplate. But if we gat through this window only having lost one of our better players, I will be quite relieved. |  |
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| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:21 - Jul 21 with 3575 views | Ryorry |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 09:33 - Jul 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Also. Are people saying if morsy broke a leg we might as sell forfeit the season?
KM would just adjust the midfield roles and we'd carry on as we have done. |
Even in that disastrous speculative scenario, he'd still be around the place with his universally acknowledged superb off-pitch input and influence.
I think it could be disastrous for us to lose him altogether, he's been the unifying heart of the team.
And for him to desert the good moral ethos of Gamechanger & ITFC for that disgusting regime in Saudi? I think he's too decent a man for that.
Plus as someone else pointed out, he could still spend at least one season in the Prem, which I think he might see as a rather higher prize to look back on once he's retired.
I'll be gutted if he goes, that'd be the worst ITFC news since we got R to L1 as far as I'm concerned. |  |
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| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:25 - Jul 21 with 3561 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:21 - Jul 21 by Ryorry |
Even in that disastrous speculative scenario, he'd still be around the place with his universally acknowledged superb off-pitch input and influence.
I think it could be disastrous for us to lose him altogether, he's been the unifying heart of the team.
And for him to desert the good moral ethos of Gamechanger & ITFC for that disgusting regime in Saudi? I think he's too decent a man for that.
Plus as someone else pointed out, he could still spend at least one season in the Prem, which I think he might see as a rather higher prize to look back on once he's retired.
I'll be gutted if he goes, that'd be the worst ITFC news since we got R to L1 as far as I'm concerned. |
Agree 100%, but my initial point was, money talks and he is 32, its closer to home, etc, he is likely to go and I don't blame him one bit. | |
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| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:28 - Jul 21 with 3538 views | DeepBlueSea |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:25 - Jul 21 by Wallingford_Boy |
Agree 100%, but my initial point was, money talks and he is 32, its closer to home, etc, he is likely to go and I don't blame him one bit. |
Yeah, there’ll be no blame from me. I don’t know how much he’s earned in his career but I expect he’d double that sum with a 3 year contract in Saudi.
Also it’s worth noting that we were going to have to replace him in the not too distant future anyway, due to his age.
Does anyone have an idea in mind of what would constitute a ‘good’ fee? |  | | |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:32 - Jul 21 with 3525 views | cressi |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:25 - Jul 21 by Wallingford_Boy |
Agree 100%, but my initial point was, money talks and he is 32, its closer to home, etc, he is likely to go and I don't blame him one bit. |
Closer to home listen to Morsey talk his a Brummie really | | | |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:35 - Jul 21 with 3512 views | jayessess |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:25 - Jul 21 by Wallingford_Boy |
Agree 100%, but my initial point was, money talks and he is 32, its closer to home, etc, he is likely to go and I don't blame him one bit. |
He's born and brought up in Wolverhampton?
I wonder how much money would actually be on the table really. He's not a particularly high profile/status player, there are plenty of players of a similar calibre who'd be much easier to get hold of. Dollar signs flashing up for everyone, but I wonder if the transfer fee and wage offering would be much more ordinary than you'd expect. |  |
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| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:36 - Jul 21 with 3508 views | J2BLUE |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 09:54 - Jul 21 by itfcjoe |
I do agree re Henderson, he's made his bed really and of all the players going he is the one that grates the most because you hope/assume he is a good man, a good leader and somebody who has shown strong morals in the face of things.
I don't think this in anyway makes him a bad person, but it does show his morals had a price and it has been met so now they will be parked.
I do think there is an interesting angle that the only way Saudi will become more progressive is by more Western influences on the populace, and from the bottom up rather than top down - but I can't say henderson is one who deserves credit for that in anyway
It's also a bit galling when you hear Gerrard talk about 'the project' etc when reality is he is there for the money and if he said that people would be more understanding
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It's a fair point but we have no idea why he's going, if he's going.
I doubt it's the case for many but some players might be going to get the money to do good things with it. Someone like Mane supports a massive number of people in Senegal. I can see why he would go for the money to allow him to do that forever and possibly even expand it.
Quite a few other players have charities. I'd like Henderson to be given the chance to explain if he wishes to do so. |  |
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| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:37 - Jul 21 with 3507 views | Vegtablue |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 09:52 - Jul 21 by DinDjarin |
Quite possibly he is already here yes. |
This is the way. | | | |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:38 - Jul 21 with 3488 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:35 - Jul 21 by jayessess |
He's born and brought up in Wolverhampton?
I wonder how much money would actually be on the table really. He's not a particularly high profile/status player, there are plenty of players of a similar calibre who'd be much easier to get hold of. Dollar signs flashing up for everyone, but I wonder if the transfer fee and wage offering would be much more ordinary than you'd expect. |
Obviously not going to be the absurd money big players are getting but even £20k a week at a 20% tax rate on a 3 year deal is still a sizeable pay rise. | | | |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:51 - Jul 21 with 3430 views | BlueNomad |
It must be difficult to reconcile the cash available and living under a head-chopping, stone throwing, misogynistic, homophobic, Yemeni children bombing, generally intolerant medieval regime............ |  | | |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:57 - Jul 21 with 3392 views | Vegtablue |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 08:56 - Jul 21 by itfcjoe |
I saw Henderson will earn more on this one contract than he has in rest of career up until now - crazy stuff.
If I could earn more than I have in my career for spending 2 years in Saudi I'd do it - don't know what that figure is but it's probably not much different to what Henderson is earning in a week and would be life changing and worth it. |
How life-changing can a new contract be when your net worth now is over £20M, your salary is £150-200K pw for two more years and the above excludes lucrative commercial/sponsorship opportunities? 😅 Perhaps Jordan's intentions for his Saudi earnings are altruistic and perhaps Liverpool have asked him to leave. I'd be curious to know what he wants the extra short-term dollar for though, much like the LIV stars who were already set for multiple lifetimes. | | | |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:57 - Jul 21 with 3383 views | TalkingBlues |
Yep, he’d be mad not to do it, would be offered silly money for what is likely his last contract of any note and he’s Muslim, so an easy transition to make culture wise. |  |
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| Surely Morsy is off? on 11:00 - Jul 21 with 3386 views | BlueNomad |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 10:57 - Jul 21 by TalkingBlues |
Yep, he’d be mad not to do it, would be offered silly money for what is likely his last contract of any note and he’s Muslim, so an easy transition to make culture wise. |
Not sure about culture. Yes he is Moslem but the Saudi culture is extreme and backward looking. He has grown up with more enlightened, tolerant views. Don't see Islam as a monolith any more than any other faith is. | | | |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 11:07 - Jul 21 with 3356 views | Sarge |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 07:51 - Jul 21 by Wallingford_Boy |
Exactly, would any of us turn down that sort of money? No chance! |
If it meant living in Saudi Arabia then yes for sure. Especially if I was already earning considerably more than the common man. | | | |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 11:19 - Jul 21 with 3315 views | Ryorry |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 09:32 - Jul 21 by NthQldITFC |
So would I.
If there's one religion whose zealots I abhor more than any other, it's the religion of Mammon.
That they are so rabid that they think that everybody else must be as fanatically and absolutely driven by money above all else drives me to despair for their souls and for the future of any world they control.
Their downvotes have no currency either. |
So would I.
Selling my soul would be a huge personal loss.
Being able to sleep soundly at night is much, much more valuable. | |
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| Surely Morsy is off? on 13:18 - Jul 21 with 3239 views | blueasfook |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 08:36 - Jul 21 by BiGDonnie |
Possibly your most sensible post and still got a downer, I'll correct it for ya. |
I gave you an uppie too Wallers. I think you're oft misunderstood on this board. Most think you're a plank, but I think you're not always a plank. |  |
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| Surely Morsy is off? on 15:06 - Jul 21 with 3160 views | Ryorry |
 Morsy: Reports of Saudi Interest News to Me 21st Jul 2023 12:12Town skipper Sam Morsy says reports of interest in him from Saudi Arabian clubs was news to him and that his full focus is on the season ahead at Portman Road.  22
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| Surely Morsy is off? on 18:13 - Jul 23 with 2986 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 09:54 - Jul 21 by itfcjoe |
I do agree re Henderson, he's made his bed really and of all the players going he is the one that grates the most because you hope/assume he is a good man, a good leader and somebody who has shown strong morals in the face of things.
I don't think this in anyway makes him a bad person, but it does show his morals had a price and it has been met so now they will be parked.
I do think there is an interesting angle that the only way Saudi will become more progressive is by more Western influences on the populace, and from the bottom up rather than top down - but I can't say henderson is one who deserves credit for that in anyway
It's also a bit galling when you hear Gerrard talk about 'the project' etc when reality is he is there for the money and if he said that people would be more understanding
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I just got back from the Middle East for work (after a bit of a side jaunt for a little holiday as well). From my experience very hospitable people and some amazing culture. Albeit some elements of society that doesn’t sit comfortably at all. But if you believe a few sportsman going over there for huge money is going to change things instrumentality you are mistaken. |  | | |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 18:21 - Jul 23 with 2919 views | EastAnglianBoy |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 08:04 - Jul 21 by ibbleobble |
Not sure to be honest. Glory and honour might be a better yard stick than cash for some. Some might want a better legacy than lower league honours and a pot of cash. Time will tell but I imagine we’ll be doing all we can to keep him as he’s integral to a successful season. |
"Glory and honour might be a better yard stick than cash for some"
You say this as if we didnt just spend seasons in L1 with the biggest budget kicking the sh!t out of smaller Clubs and stealing their better players because of the pensions investment fund.. | | | |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 18:23 - Jul 23 with 2894 views | cressi |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 18:13 - Jul 23 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I just got back from the Middle East for work (after a bit of a side jaunt for a little holiday as well). From my experience very hospitable people and some amazing culture. Albeit some elements of society that doesn’t sit comfortably at all. But if you believe a few sportsman going over there for huge money is going to change things instrumentality you are mistaken. |
In May not change anything but you can look at yourself in the mirror every day . | | | |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 18:41 - Jul 23 with 2806 views | braveblue |
He would be a massive loss. Best midfielder we have had in years. Just hope it’s not got legs. | | | |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 19:51 - Jul 23 with 2610 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 09:56 - Jul 21 by ipswichtillidie |
Henderson is a terrible example of greed. He’s starting games for England and potentially we are on the brink with the team we have of winning the next tournament. He has essentially signed off his England career now for a pay day. Already a multi millionaire. I hope England are successful and he will regret this move but each to their own I guess. I think the Saudi league is perfect for the English game, it’s ridding us of all the players who play for money not the love of the game. |
Southgate is not the type to drop him over that. He plays Maguire... | | | |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 20:12 - Jul 23 with 2545 views | Pique |
| Surely Morsy is off? on 19:51 - Jul 23 by redrickstuhaart |
Southgate is not the type to drop him over that. He plays Maguire... |
Yes, but Maguire is still going to be playing in the Premier League (probably). Henderson will be playing in a sunny version of the Vanarama League North. |  | | |
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