| Mason Greenwood development 15:06 - Aug 21 with 7470 views | bluelagos |
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| Mason Greenwood development on 09:59 - Aug 22 with 1685 views | BlueBadger |
| Mason Greenwood development on 01:25 - Aug 22 by lizzibee |
Last I checked Was innocent ? |
Jimmy Saville was investigated and not charged. Therefore, Jimmy Saville was innocent, last I checked. |  |
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| Mason Greenwood development on 10:21 - Aug 22 with 1645 views | Leaky |
| Mason Greenwood development on 09:59 - Aug 22 by BlueBadger |
Jimmy Saville was investigated and not charged. Therefore, Jimmy Saville was innocent, last I checked. |
i wonder who was head of the Crown Prosecution Service at that time. |  | | |
| Mason Greenwood development on 10:24 - Aug 22 with 1635 views | blueasfook |
| Mason Greenwood development on 01:25 - Aug 22 by lizzibee |
Last I checked Was innocent ? |
Because his partner was probably co-erced into withdrawing her complaint.
We all saw the transcript, disgusting behaviour. |  |
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| Mason Greenwood development on 10:36 - Aug 22 with 1630 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Mason Greenwood development on 10:21 - Aug 22 by Leaky |
i wonder who was head of the Crown Prosecution Service at that time. |
It was Keir Starmer but he was not the reviewing lawyer for the case. An official investigation commissioned later by Starmer criticised both prosecutors and police for their handling of the allegations. Pleased to help. |  |
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| Mason Greenwood development on 11:15 - Aug 22 with 1569 views | BlueBadger |
| Mason Greenwood development on 10:21 - Aug 22 by Leaky |
i wonder who was head of the Crown Prosecution Service at that time. |
I was wondering who was going to recycle the old far right myth peddled by such beacons of truth as Boris Johnson and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon again.
https://fullfact.org/online/keir-starmer-prosecute-jimmy-savile/ [Post edited 22 Aug 2023 11:24]
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| Mason Greenwood development on 11:18 - Aug 22 with 1560 views | bluejacko |
| Mason Greenwood development on 08:33 - Aug 22 by BlueBadger |
Interesting how our more right wing 'hang 'em and flog 'em' posters can always forgive and offer second chances to alleged abusers, wife beaters and rapists but not, say, refugees fleeing war zones entering the country illegally because there are no legal routes into the country. [Post edited 22 Aug 2023 8:34]
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Well as you brought the subject up how did the Ukrainian women and children arrive here if it wasn’t by ‘legal’ routes? Didn’t see many of them ditching their ID in the channel from a rubber boat did we?
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| Mason Greenwood development on 11:25 - Aug 22 with 1543 views | BlueBadger |
| Mason Greenwood development on 11:18 - Aug 22 by bluejacko |
Well as you brought the subject up how did the Ukrainian women and children arrive here if it wasn’t by ‘legal’ routes? Didn’t see many of them ditching their ID in the channel from a rubber boat did we?
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You do know that there are OTHER wars creating refugees in the world, right? | |
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| Mason Greenwood development on 11:26 - Aug 22 with 1546 views | Horsham |
| Mason Greenwood development on 11:18 - Aug 22 by bluejacko |
Well as you brought the subject up how did the Ukrainian women and children arrive here if it wasn’t by ‘legal’ routes? Didn’t see many of them ditching their ID in the channel from a rubber boat did we?
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You’re presuming that given a choice somebody would prefer to pay through the nose for a potentially deadly channel crossing when they have a safe legal route available? |  | | |
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| Mason Greenwood development on 11:44 - Aug 22 with 1517 views | Vaughan8 |
| Mason Greenwood development on 01:25 - Aug 22 by lizzibee |
Last I checked Was innocent ? |
The case was stopped because key witnesses stepped down.
Just means without those and evidence relating to those, he couldn't be convicted so was dropped.
Not sure that makes you innocent, especially if you've seen the images and heard the audio. The girlfriend seems to have put it out in the public domain and then regretted it presumably.
However Man Utd statement puzzles me as they're basically saying that evidence shows he wasn't guilty of what he was charged with so did they get new evidence? I'm not sure we are (ever) getting the whole story. | | | |
| Mason Greenwood development on 11:54 - Aug 22 with 1496 views | Herbivore |
| Mason Greenwood development on 11:44 - Aug 22 by Vaughan8 |
The case was stopped because key witnesses stepped down.
Just means without those and evidence relating to those, he couldn't be convicted so was dropped.
Not sure that makes you innocent, especially if you've seen the images and heard the audio. The girlfriend seems to have put it out in the public domain and then regretted it presumably.
However Man Utd statement puzzles me as they're basically saying that evidence shows he wasn't guilty of what he was charged with so did they get new evidence? I'm not sure we are (ever) getting the whole story. |
The only evidence they'll have is whatever Greenwood and his partner have told them. As they said in their statement, they have limited power to investigate. |  |
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| Mason Greenwood development on 11:57 - Aug 22 with 1489 views | glasso |
| Mason Greenwood development on 09:59 - Aug 22 by BlueBadger |
Jimmy Saville was investigated and not charged. Therefore, Jimmy Saville was innocent, last I checked. |
Hitler and Jack the Ripper were also never convicted of anything and yet people rush to conclusions based on audio they've heard, or photographs, or videos.
Absolutely shocking the way their names were dragged through the mud.  | | | |
| Mason Greenwood development on 12:31 - Aug 22 with 1444 views | bluejacko |
| Mason Greenwood development on 11:25 - Aug 22 by BlueBadger |
You do know that there are OTHER wars creating refugees in the world, right? |
Well all the more reason for when you arrive on these shores by any means you have the documents to PROVE you are fleeing a war torn country so you can actually be processed in good order then.
, not join a queue of people who we have no idea of who they actually are and where they have indeed come from,right?
Can we just clear up the confusion of countries like Albania are they ‘war torn’? [Post edited 22 Aug 2023 12:36]
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| Mason Greenwood development on 12:37 - Aug 22 with 1434 views | Zx1988 |
| Mason Greenwood development on 11:44 - Aug 22 by Vaughan8 |
The case was stopped because key witnesses stepped down.
Just means without those and evidence relating to those, he couldn't be convicted so was dropped.
Not sure that makes you innocent, especially if you've seen the images and heard the audio. The girlfriend seems to have put it out in the public domain and then regretted it presumably.
However Man Utd statement puzzles me as they're basically saying that evidence shows he wasn't guilty of what he was charged with so did they get new evidence? I'm not sure we are (ever) getting the whole story. |
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the key statement was later amended to confirm that it was a wholly-consensual BDSM scenario, and that the actions of Greenwood in the recording were merely part of the 'scene'. | |
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| Mason Greenwood development on 12:49 - Aug 22 with 1417 views | bluestandard |
| Mason Greenwood development on 11:44 - Aug 22 by Vaughan8 |
The case was stopped because key witnesses stepped down.
Just means without those and evidence relating to those, he couldn't be convicted so was dropped.
Not sure that makes you innocent, especially if you've seen the images and heard the audio. The girlfriend seems to have put it out in the public domain and then regretted it presumably.
However Man Utd statement puzzles me as they're basically saying that evidence shows he wasn't guilty of what he was charged with so did they get new evidence? I'm not sure we are (ever) getting the whole story. |
It clearly refers in the statement to the fact that the released audio was part of a much longer audio clip, which when Utd reviewed it meant that a different interpretation of events was at least possible. We’ll likely never know what that was.
I must admit to being slightly uncomfortable at the blood lust in some of the replies here. | | | |
| Mason Greenwood development on 13:07 - Aug 22 with 1370 views | Zx1988 |
| Mason Greenwood development on 12:49 - Aug 22 by bluestandard |
It clearly refers in the statement to the fact that the released audio was part of a much longer audio clip, which when Utd reviewed it meant that a different interpretation of events was at least possible. We’ll likely never know what that was.
I must admit to being slightly uncomfortable at the blood lust in some of the replies here. |
I would assume that the CPS also had access to the same extended clip, and decided to bring charges against Greenwood based on the content.
Make of that what you will. | |
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| Mason Greenwood development on 13:18 - Aug 22 with 1347 views | BlueBadger |
| Mason Greenwood development on 12:31 - Aug 22 by bluejacko |
Well all the more reason for when you arrive on these shores by any means you have the documents to PROVE you are fleeing a war torn country so you can actually be processed in good order then.
, not join a queue of people who we have no idea of who they actually are and where they have indeed come from,right?
Can we just clear up the confusion of countries like Albania are they ‘war torn’? [Post edited 22 Aug 2023 12:36]
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Facters said it best.
The man’s not fit to be in parliament by factual_blue 13 Aug 2023 22:22You're not actually correct I'm afraid.
The highest number of Albanian arrivals by small boat arrivals in the UK was 9,037 in the third quarter of 2022. In Q1 and Q2 of the same year Albanians numbered 235 and 1,930 respectively. In Q4 the number dropped by to 1,099, and by Q1 of 2023 it was virtually nil. Since 2018 13,227 have arrived in the UK, 14.9% of all arrivals. Almost 50% of all arrivals come from Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan.
Albanians only have a 34% chance of being granted asylum, whereas Afghans, Iranians, Eritreans have a 99% chance of being granted asylum, and Iranians 78%
And research shows that those arriving by small boat know nothing of UK immigration policies - or indeed those of any other country. One of the key factors in their decision to come here is the pre-existing diaspora (in other words we have already established populations from those countries/regions, largely because of our imperial past).
Try this source
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/#:~:text=Nationals%20of%20five%20countries%20%E2%80%93%20Iran,between%202018%20and%20March%202023.
It's a research body at the University of Oxford
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| Mason Greenwood development on 14:24 - Aug 22 with 1279 views | bluejacko |
| Mason Greenwood development on 13:18 - Aug 22 by BlueBadger |
Facters said it best.
The man’s not fit to be in parliament by factual_blue 13 Aug 2023 22:22You're not actually correct I'm afraid.
The highest number of Albanian arrivals by small boat arrivals in the UK was 9,037 in the third quarter of 2022. In Q1 and Q2 of the same year Albanians numbered 235 and 1,930 respectively. In Q4 the number dropped by to 1,099, and by Q1 of 2023 it was virtually nil. Since 2018 13,227 have arrived in the UK, 14.9% of all arrivals. Almost 50% of all arrivals come from Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan.
Albanians only have a 34% chance of being granted asylum, whereas Afghans, Iranians, Eritreans have a 99% chance of being granted asylum, and Iranians 78%
And research shows that those arriving by small boat know nothing of UK immigration policies - or indeed those of any other country. One of the key factors in their decision to come here is the pre-existing diaspora (in other words we have already established populations from those countries/regions, largely because of our imperial past).
Try this source
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/#:~:text=Nationals%20of%20five%20countries%20%E2%80%93%20Iran,between%202018%20and%20March%202023.
It's a research body at the University of Oxford
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Righto of course your right🙄you just go on believing that they are all innocent beings but at the same time don’t go bleating on about the lack of money for the NHS etc when we are spending £7m a day on illegal immigrants👍Still when your mates in Labour get in the problem will disappear won’t it open borders for all! | | | |
| Mason Greenwood development on 14:31 - Aug 22 with 1268 views | Herbivore |
| Mason Greenwood development on 14:24 - Aug 22 by bluejacko |
Righto of course your right🙄you just go on believing that they are all innocent beings but at the same time don’t go bleating on about the lack of money for the NHS etc when we are spending £7m a day on illegal immigrants👍Still when your mates in Labour get in the problem will disappear won’t it open borders for all! |
You're responding to a post containing actual data by publicly pissing your pants. Not a good look, mate. | |
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| Mason Greenwood development on 14:48 - Aug 22 with 1231 views | Mullet |
| Mason Greenwood development on 14:24 - Aug 22 by bluejacko |
Righto of course your right🙄you just go on believing that they are all innocent beings but at the same time don’t go bleating on about the lack of money for the NHS etc when we are spending £7m a day on illegal immigrants👍Still when your mates in Labour get in the problem will disappear won’t it open borders for all! |
What if the government created safe, legal and easily processed routes and funded the NHS? That is what they're meant to do and have chosen not to after all. |  |
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| Mason Greenwood development on 16:29 - Aug 22 with 1150 views | bluejacko |
| Mason Greenwood development on 14:48 - Aug 22 by Mullet |
What if the government created safe, legal and easily processed routes and funded the NHS? That is what they're meant to do and have chosen not to after all. |
You cannot process people that do NOT have any ID quickly or otherwise 🙄 I take you are all happy then to spunk £7m a day then on people that have no right to be here but ignore the indigenous population? | | | |
| Mason Greenwood development on 16:33 - Aug 22 with 1139 views | Herbivore |
| Mason Greenwood development on 16:29 - Aug 22 by bluejacko |
You cannot process people that do NOT have any ID quickly or otherwise 🙄 I take you are all happy then to spunk £7m a day then on people that have no right to be here but ignore the indigenous population? |
Jesus wept. Like trying to reason with a house brick. The use of the term indigenous population is interesting, usually only used to dog whistle in this kind of context. | |
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| Mason Greenwood development on 16:40 - Aug 22 with 1120 views | Keno |
| Mason Greenwood development on 16:29 - Aug 22 by bluejacko |
You cannot process people that do NOT have any ID quickly or otherwise 🙄 I take you are all happy then to spunk £7m a day then on people that have no right to be here but ignore the indigenous population? |
Just out of interest how do you define “ indigenous population”?
How many generations back do you have to go? |  |
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| Mason Greenwood development on 16:46 - Aug 22 with 1111 views | StokieBlue |
| Mason Greenwood development on 16:29 - Aug 22 by bluejacko |
You cannot process people that do NOT have any ID quickly or otherwise 🙄 I take you are all happy then to spunk £7m a day then on people that have no right to be here but ignore the indigenous population? |
If we ignore the rather obvious context of your horrible "indigenous population" statement, you seem to be implying that it's impossible to process asylum seekers, a point that is clearly nonsense given many other countries manage it just fine.
However, if you feel they can't be processed then what do you propose is done?
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| Mason Greenwood development on 16:48 - Aug 22 with 1087 views | bluejacko |
| Mason Greenwood development on 16:33 - Aug 22 by Herbivore |
Jesus wept. Like trying to reason with a house brick. The use of the term indigenous population is interesting, usually only used to dog whistle in this kind of context. |
Me that’s the house brick? Just what is it you can’t understand? IF you can’t identify the people you supposed to process please explain how it’s done quickly or otherwise! Now if you are perfectly happy to see what’s happening all well all and good obviously we will have to agree to disagree!
Any transfers today as this is the football thread? | | | |
| Mason Greenwood development on 17:33 - Aug 22 with 1024 views | eireblue |
| Mason Greenwood development on 16:48 - Aug 22 by bluejacko |
Me that’s the house brick? Just what is it you can’t understand? IF you can’t identify the people you supposed to process please explain how it’s done quickly or otherwise! Now if you are perfectly happy to see what’s happening all well all and good obviously we will have to agree to disagree!
Any transfers today as this is the football thread? |
You seem keen to learn, all the mechanisms to verify asylum claims are available from the Home Office website.
What isn’t available; why all the policies that this government is responsible for have made the situation worse.
Maybe check-up with your Tory chums, why they have been so incompetent and have been wasting your tax money, and get back to us. |  | | |
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