| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 14:48 - Sep 21 with 2846 views | Swansea_Blue |
Can't see past the paywall, but interesting to note that France and Germany are now scoping the nature of our likely future. So much control.
Edit - "deciding" our future wasn't right, it just appears that Germany and France are laying out what the path could look like. Point stays the same though. We've gone from being at the top table shaping things to being a receiver. [Post edited 21 Sep 2023 14:58]
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 14:53 - Sep 21 with 2821 views | nodge_blue |
Is that the one that Labour quickly dismissed and says won't happen?
I think that stance may be a little bit to placate the Brexit labour supporters and not upset the apple cart pre election. |  |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 14:58 - Sep 21 with 2770 views | chicoazul |
Before we were half in now we’re half out. I’m sure we’ll be half in again soon. |  |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 15:00 - Sep 21 with 2759 views | BasingstokeBlue |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 14:58 - Sep 21 by chicoazul |
Before we were half in now we’re half out. I’m sure we’ll be half in again soon. |
... then half shake it all about. |  |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 15:16 - Sep 21 with 2706 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 14:53 - Sep 21 by nodge_blue |
Is that the one that Labour quickly dismissed and says won't happen?
I think that stance may be a little bit to placate the Brexit labour supporters and not upset the apple cart pre election. |
I'm not sure what Labour have officially said about this possible scheme, but it seems odd that there are stories of Starmer having 'positive' talks with Macron at the same time as this other story has been coming out.
Hopefully not a case of 2+2=5. |  |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 16:29 - Sep 21 with 2625 views | Basuco |
Access to the single market, to comply with the EU’s common principles and values, including democracy and rule of law, freedom of movement of people, goods, capital and services.
There is a lot to like about this type of agreement, Labour and Sir Keir have really pushed ahead with getting the UK economy back on its feet again. |  | | |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 16:31 - Sep 21 with 2625 views | Ftnfwest |
it might get round the fact that if he took us back in again he wouldn't be able to reverse the 2030 - 2035 new petrol car policy thing |  | | |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:03 - Sep 21 with 2569 views | HarleydavidsonBlue |
I think you will find another referendum will be required to rejoin. |  | | |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:06 - Sep 21 with 2553 views | J2BLUE |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:03 - Sep 21 by HarleydavidsonBlue |
I think you will find another referendum will be required to rejoin. |
An election would do it. If it was part of the manifesto. |  |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:08 - Sep 21 with 2550 views | BlueRaider |
Has that poll been conducted saying that we would lose the pound though ? |  |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:08 - Sep 21 with 2549 views | StokieBlue |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:03 - Sep 21 by HarleydavidsonBlue |
I think you will find another referendum will be required to rejoin. |
I don't believe that is technically true.
For instance, if Labour put it in their manifesto that they will apply to join the EU then the general election is essentially the referendum and they would be obliged to act on their manifesto commitments.
However, I would also be happy with someone putting a new referendum in their manifesto given the clear trend in the polls.
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:09 - Sep 21 with 2545 views | BlueRaider |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:06 - Sep 21 by J2BLUE |
An election would do it. If it was part of the manifesto. |
Do you really think that Labour would put that on the manifesto given how much they reacted to Ulez after the Uxbridge by election ? | |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:11 - Sep 21 with 2535 views | J2BLUE |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:09 - Sep 21 by BlueRaider |
Do you really think that Labour would put that on the manifesto given how much they reacted to Ulez after the Uxbridge by election ? |
Just highlighting a way it wouldn't need a referendum. | |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:26 - Sep 21 with 2485 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:03 - Sep 21 by HarleydavidsonBlue |
I think you will find another referendum will be required to rejoin. |
To adapt a phrase we heard a lot of at the time, I think we've had quite enough of the people! | |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:48 - Sep 21 with 2455 views | GlasgowBlue |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:11 - Sep 21 by J2BLUE |
Just highlighting a way it wouldn't need a referendum. |
That is correct. Labour put leaving the EU in their 1983 manifesto. Had Foot become PM we would have left without the need for a referendum. |  |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 18:24 - Sep 21 with 2406 views | factual_blue |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:08 - Sep 21 by BlueRaider |
Has that poll been conducted saying that we would lose the pound though ? |
The Pound is rubbish and best forgotten. It was ruined by Churchill back in the 1920s. |  |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 19:18 - Sep 21 with 2351 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 17:48 - Sep 21 by GlasgowBlue |
That is correct. Labour put leaving the EU in their 1983 manifesto. Had Foot become PM we would have left without the need for a referendum. |
Oh the heady days when Labour weren't neo Conservatives.
Edit....sorry, it got rebranded as neo Liberalism didn't it. My mistake. [Post edited 21 Sep 2023 19:19]
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 19:20 - Sep 21 with 2346 views | BlueBadger |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 19:18 - Sep 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Oh the heady days when Labour weren't neo Conservatives.
Edit....sorry, it got rebranded as neo Liberalism didn't it. My mistake. [Post edited 21 Sep 2023 19:19]
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Besh1tted rivers and beaches and reduced workplace protections are CORNERSTONES of socialism, after all. |  |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 19:48 - Sep 21 with 2286 views | Daninthecampo |
The stronger members of the EU have been talking about an EU2 for the last couple of years, the UK have been involved since the start. | | | |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 20:01 - Sep 21 with 2258 views | WeWereZombies |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 19:48 - Sep 21 by Daninthecampo |
The stronger members of the EU have been talking about an EU2 for the last couple of years, the UK have been involved since the start. |
This EU2 stuff, are people working pro Bono ? |  |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 13:09 - Sep 22 with 2010 views | Rimsy |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 14:48 - Sep 21 by Swansea_Blue |
Can't see past the paywall, but interesting to note that France and Germany are now scoping the nature of our likely future. So much control.
Edit - "deciding" our future wasn't right, it just appears that Germany and France are laying out what the path could look like. Point stays the same though. We've gone from being at the top table shaping things to being a receiver. [Post edited 21 Sep 2023 14:58]
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When we're we ever shaping things. More often than not we vetoed or voted against on anything of note. |  |
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 13:34 - Sep 22 with 1979 views | jayessess |
This iteration of the Labour Party are far too scared of their own shadow to actively advocate for rejoining.
It'll be some sort of Associate membership where UK takes most EU rules in exchange for getting most of the (fairly obvious) economic benefits back, but that still has some sort of plausible deniability where they can tell the most uninterested fraction of Brexiteers that they still got their Brexit. [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 13:38]
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| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 14:00 - Sep 22 with 1936 views | MattinLondon |
| This EU associate membership thing that Starmer has likely been discussing on 13:34 - Sep 22 by jayessess |
This iteration of the Labour Party are far too scared of their own shadow to actively advocate for rejoining.
It'll be some sort of Associate membership where UK takes most EU rules in exchange for getting most of the (fairly obvious) economic benefits back, but that still has some sort of plausible deniability where they can tell the most uninterested fraction of Brexiteers that they still got their Brexit. [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 13:38]
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It won’t happen of course, but I do think that it’ll be interesting if the Tories suddenly performed a gigantic U-Turn and proposed rejoining the EU but on the same terms which the country left.
They’ll have Labour on the ropes - will they campaign to stay out in the next election which will attract the rabid brexiters. Or echo the Tories and risk being seen as their shadow and not having policies of their own.
It’ll put a lot of people in a very awkward position. |  | | |
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