| Interesting stats on chance creation here 22:45 - Sep 21 with 7233 views | Dubtractor |
2 notable ITFC entries - shows that Wes really is a critical part of our team, as most of us already knew.
Edit: Apologies for the budgies image.
[Post edited 21 Sep 2023 22:47]
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 23:22 - Sep 21 with 5363 views | BlueBadger |
He just whacks it though. |  |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 07:23 - Sep 22 with 5150 views | BseaBlue |
But he isn't good enough in the final third...... |  | | |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 07:29 - Sep 22 with 5117 views | RobTheMonk |
One of the top 5 shot-creators in the Championship and that's not counting his defensive work and pressing work rate as well as the underappreciated out ball that the goalkeeper can play to him given he's deceptively good in the air.
I think some forget that he plays as a kid of hybrid winger / wing back. To create that many chances as well as the defensive cover he he provides is very good in my opinion and shows huge worth to the team. |  | | |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 07:32 - Sep 22 with 5113 views | SheffordBlue |
If you're interested in looking at a breakdown of the shot creating actions of the Town players I'd been playing around with the data visualisation software Tableau and you can see the different categories of shot creating action by player here:
https://public.tableau.com/vie |  |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 07:39 - Sep 22 with 5093 views | Dubtractor |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 07:32 - Sep 22 by SheffordBlue |
If you're interested in looking at a breakdown of the shot creating actions of the Town players I'd been playing around with the data visualisation software Tableau and you can see the different categories of shot creating action by player here:
https://public.tableau.com/vie |
Oh, as a fan of stats and graphs, I like that.
Minor gripe (if I may!) that the scale is different on each chart so makes comparison a bit tricky. But the key point for me - top chance creator, without taking any set pieces, stands out a mile. | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 07:48 - Sep 22 with 5073 views | SheffordBlue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 07:39 - Sep 22 by Dubtractor |
Oh, as a fan of stats and graphs, I like that.
Minor gripe (if I may!) that the scale is different on each chart so makes comparison a bit tricky. But the key point for me - top chance creator, without taking any set pieces, stands out a mile. |
Thanks for the feedback! I did try it with a fixed scale at the bottom but the ranges are so different that I thought that categories like take-ons just got lost a bit.
I think when you combine Wes's shot creating actions with things like his Expected Assists it's only a matter of time before he starts racking up some assists and goals. He's doing lots of the right things but they're either not coming off or the player he passes to isn't delivering. Those sorts of things average themselves out over the course of the season. | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 07:58 - Sep 22 with 5047 views | Metal_Hacker |
Frimmers will argue the fact I'm sure
Both Wes and Leif pivotal quite obviously |  |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 08:15 - Sep 22 with 4994 views | HighgateBlue |
Even in a slightly lop-sided team it's great that we have that balance of threats from either wing.
Sara is really off the scale though, isn't he? Incredible numbers. Maybe Kieran should think about getting a Brazilian...  |  | | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 08:23 - Sep 22 with 4954 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 07:58 - Sep 22 by Metal_Hacker |
Frimmers will argue the fact I'm sure
Both Wes and Leif pivotal quite obviously |
Not really. That's expected from his role.
Be good if he could score however. |  |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 08:27 - Sep 22 with 4947 views | the_toff |
WeZ sHud b DrOpt | | | |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 08:32 - Sep 22 with 4916 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 08:23 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Not really. That's expected from his role.
Be good if he could score however. |
Moon on a Stick | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 08:43 - Sep 22 with 4867 views | fabian_illness |
Not that fussed by stats.
But one thing is clear from that link.
I still really f*****g hate yellow and green. |  | | |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 08:45 - Sep 22 with 4856 views | DJR |
The great thing is that the accuracy of his crossing has been fantastic this season, something that has clearly been worked on over the close season. |  | | |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 10:23 - Sep 22 with 4678 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 08:23 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Not really. That's expected from his role.
Be good if he could score however. |
That’s your new flex then. You criticised his delivery all the time, and rather than admitting you were horribly wrong you’ve moved the goalpost.
Don’t you ever get bored of sh1tting the bed? | | | |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 10:36 - Sep 22 with 4648 views | SomethingBlue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 08:23 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Not really. That's expected from his role.
Be good if he could score however. |
Yes, it would probably make him a mid-table Premier League player. We are an aspirational Championship club and he is doing exceptionally for us. Give it a rest, you're way off beam on this one. | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 10:41 - Sep 22 with 4625 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 10:36 - Sep 22 by SomethingBlue |
Yes, it would probably make him a mid-table Premier League player. We are an aspirational Championship club and he is doing exceptionally for us. Give it a rest, you're way off beam on this one. |
“on this one.”
I think you misspelled ‘everything’. | | | |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 10:57 - Sep 22 with 4555 views | Bluebell |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 08:23 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Not really. That's expected from his role.
Be good if he could score however. |
Still got to get a dig in about Wes, Frimley! 
When will you realise how good he is? |  | | |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 11:13 - Sep 22 with 4504 views | hoppy |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 10:23 - Sep 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
That’s your new flex then. You criticised his delivery all the time, and rather than admitting you were horribly wrong you’ve moved the goalpost.
Don’t you ever get bored of sh1tting the bed? |
So, Frimmers has been moving the goalposts, JUST so Wes can't score, thus keeping up his argument?
Talk about underhand tactics... |  |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 11:26 - Sep 22 with 4459 views | Vegtablue |
He's a stubborn fellow is our Frimley! | | | |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 11:30 - Sep 22 with 4452 views | BiGDonnie |
Hahaaa, brilliant.
Thickos Dimbot and Wally about to see this?
Edit, can see people responding to thicko above. Ban the fool. [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 11:36]
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 11:42 - Sep 22 with 4374 views | homer_123 |
Some think he's lazy though. |  |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 11:46 - Sep 22 with 4350 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 10:23 - Sep 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
That’s your new flex then. You criticised his delivery all the time, and rather than admitting you were horribly wrong you’ve moved the goalpost.
Don’t you ever get bored of sh1tting the bed? |
No. His delivery still isn't amazing.
But the discussions recently that I've had have been about his goal scoring. Which whilst ignored by you... I mentioned his lack of clinical finishing many times before.
Hey I wasn't gonna get involved in this thread. But after all I was name dropped. So. It's only polite. | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 11:47 - Sep 22 with 4344 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 10:57 - Sep 22 by Bluebell |
Still got to get a dig in about Wes, Frimley!
When will you realise how good he is? |
When he actually puts away the chances he gets better than he does.
Oh. And again. Poster named me. So only polite to respond | |
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 11:56 - Sep 22 with 4294 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 11:47 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
When he actually puts away the chances he gets better than he does.
Oh. And again. Poster named me. So only polite to respond |
I'd suggest if his finishing was up to "YOUR" standards/expectations he would be playing the in the Prem to be Frimmers
With the creative aspect and your want for better finishing he'd be playing in the Prem
Let's be a little realistic here hey [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 12:11]
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| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 12:02 - Sep 22 with 1724 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Interesting stats on chance creation here on 11:46 - Sep 22 by FrimleyBlue |
No. His delivery still isn't amazing.
But the discussions recently that I've had have been about his goal scoring. Which whilst ignored by you... I mentioned his lack of clinical finishing many times before.
Hey I wasn't gonna get involved in this thread. But after all I was name dropped. So. It's only polite. |
Last season he was 96th percentile for assists. 91st percentile for goal contributions. 95th percentile for expected assists (i.e. his delivery is statistically very good Vs others), 94th percentile for successful crosses (again actual data showing you are talking nonsense).
Before you say that's league one. Same for this season (which is small sample size but still data). He is 88th Percentile for expected assists, 97th percentile for key passes and 84th percentile for successful crosses.
The data is out there....
You keep boiling your point down and down until you've now had to just stick to goal scoring as being your only argument (which is really really silly when you look at his goal contributions and you yourself said he has a unique role - clearly not as attacking as Broadhead for example). Still I had a look at this because you said "well for the chances he gets he should score more blah blah".
Actually both the last two season he scored more than his expected goals for the chances he had.
Your last bastion to argue is therefore also wrong.
Well done.
(This reflects badly on me that I've been drawn in again but given the above completely and utterly blasts your 'opinion' out of the water it was worth one last post). [Post edited 22 Sep 2023 18:36]
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