| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 15:01 - Oct 17 with 8889 views | ChampionsofInnsbruck |
Seen a best black England 11 on socials today and thought about Town's. I for the life of me can only remember Nathan Abbey being our only black keeper, am I wrong? As a best of 11 this doesn't reflect a tactical 11 in anyway!
1. Nathan Abbey
2. Fabian Wilnis
3. Titus Bramble
4. Janoi Donacien
5. Gus Uhlenbeek
6. Kieron Dyer
7. Jermain Wright
8. Jason Dozzell
9. John Walters
10. Darren Bent
11. Chris Kiwomya
Also to be considered Romeo Zondervan, Danny Haynes, Jamie Peters, Dalian Atkinson and David Johnson.
Have I forgotten anyone? [Post edited 18 Oct 2023 15:09]
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| Well there's nothing to really indicate.... on 18:14 - Oct 17 with 2192 views | Bloots |
| Do you disagree with Black History Month.....? on 18:12 - Oct 17 by Trequartista |
I do adore Public Enemy. I'm not convinced this is along quite the same lines! |
....that it's not well intentioned, and even if it wasn't we can treat it as though it was.
Fight the power and don't believe the hype. |  |
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| Well there's nothing to really indicate.... on 18:25 - Oct 17 with 2142 views | Trequartista |
| Well there's nothing to really indicate.... on 18:14 - Oct 17 by Bloots |
....that it's not well intentioned, and even if it wasn't we can treat it as though it was.
Fight the power and don't believe the hype. |
(W) 9 (D) 1 (L) 1 is a joke. |  |
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| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 18:25 - Oct 17 with 2141 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 15:28 - Oct 17 by Ryorry |
Seriously, what is the point of this post? |
It’s Black History Month. So probably inspired by that. |  |
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| Well there's nothing to really indicate.... on 18:27 - Oct 17 with 2132 views | Dubtractor |
| Well there's nothing to really indicate.... on 18:14 - Oct 17 by Bloots |
....that it's not well intentioned, and even if it wasn't we can treat it as though it was.
Fight the power and don't believe the hype. |
I don't understand why people seem to have a fear of a black lineup. |  |
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| Why? (n/t) on 19:10 - Oct 17 with 2058 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Why? (n/t) on 18:06 - Oct 17 by Ryorry |
We play as a *team*, players picked for the 11 on their ability; not on skin colour.
Completely different thing to celebrating great individual black players for Black History month |
We've done foreign best 11. Didn't see anyone say...
"We play as a *team*, players picked for the 11 on their ability; not on nationality." |  |
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| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 19:23 - Oct 17 with 2029 views | Buhrer |
So many of my favourite players on that lineup. Imo Marcus Bent should be on the bench at least, so strong on the ball. |  | | |
| Why? (n/t) on 19:41 - Oct 17 with 1995 views | ReusersTown |
| Why? (n/t) on 18:00 - Oct 17 by Trequartista |
Don't know why we have to keep grouping people by race, gender, political persuasion etc. WBA once had a testimonial match between black players and white players which seems terribly anachronistic now, don't really see the difference between that and this post. |
Entirely agree, unnecessarily divisive. |  | | |
| Why? (n/t) on 19:58 - Oct 17 with 1984 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Why? (n/t) on 19:41 - Oct 17 by ReusersTown |
Entirely agree, unnecessarily divisive. |
And you feel similar when people do best teams you've seen, based on the unnecessary division of age? Never seen you have an issue with it? So why is race more significant?
Ironically, it is posts like the one you are quoting that introduce the division and negativity. The compulsion to turn a positive - proudly honouring our best black players - into a negative. | |
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| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 20:12 - Oct 17 with 1959 views | badadski |
| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 15:25 - Oct 17 by Kropotkin123 |
Lol, what is going on? Two numbers 4s?
Gus played on the right. Dozzell in midfield? Or is this what you meant by not tactical? I'm confused. If it is not tactical as in players don't play in that position, then why include Abbey?
Nathan Abbey didn't play a game (Did he ever get a bench or cup appearance?)
Is Walters mixed race? I thought he was Caucasian.
I need to think a bit before contributing a team.
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GK ? Shame we missed out on Shaka Hislop
RB Wilnis
LB Mings
CB Bramble
CB Thetis (we loved the guy in our household. Cult status)
CM J Wright
CM Dyer
RM C Edwards
LM Hutchinson
S D Bent
S Atkinson
M Bent was under consideration for my team too (way better than Haynes or Peters, for example). [Post edited 17 Oct 2023 15:52]
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Dalian Atkinson - can’t believe he’s been missed. | | | |
| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 20:49 - Oct 17 with 1920 views | tackon |
| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 20:12 - Oct 17 by badadski |
Dalian Atkinson - can’t believe he’s been missed. |
Brian Gayle tough as nails centre half [Post edited 17 Oct 2023 20:51]
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| Why? (n/t) on 21:23 - Oct 17 with 1903 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Why? (n/t) on 19:58 - Oct 17 by Kropotkin123 |
And you feel similar when people do best teams you've seen, based on the unnecessary division of age? Never seen you have an issue with it? So why is race more significant?
Ironically, it is posts like the one you are quoting that introduce the division and negativity. The compulsion to turn a positive - proudly honouring our best black players - into a negative. |
My dear old mum, God rest her soul, once stated that she thought it very racist to use the term “the All Blacks” during a rugby match.
She was under the impression that the all blacks were called so because they were literally “all blacks”. | |
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| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 21:24 - Oct 17 with 1902 views | textbackup |
| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 15:28 - Oct 17 by Ryorry |
Seriously, what is the point of this post? |
It’s absolutely harmlessly
Remarkable how a white man can find offence in something like this |  |
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| JD is included.... on 21:26 - Oct 17 with 1897 views | textbackup |
| JD is included.... on 17:57 - Oct 17 by Bloots |
....albeit at left back.
Personally I'm struggling to pick a forward line.
Surely DJ has to be in there, but I loved Kiwomya and you can't really leave out Benty.
It's a tough one. |
4-3-3
That way you get the 3 in | |
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| White woman. (n/t) on 21:27 - Oct 17 with 1895 views | Bloots |
| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 21:24 - Oct 17 by textbackup |
It’s absolutely harmlessly
Remarkable how a white man can find offence in something like this |
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| White woman. (n/t) on 21:28 - Oct 17 with 1888 views | textbackup |
| White woman. (n/t) on 21:27 - Oct 17 by Bloots |
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White them | |
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| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 22:08 - Oct 17 with 1839 views | Stewart27 |
No Reo Coker, Harewood, Ellington or Stern John? | | | |
| Stop being silly.... on 22:09 - Oct 17 with 1838 views | Hipsterectomy |
| Stop being silly.... on 18:07 - Oct 17 by Bloots |
....you'll get sore hands with all this wringing. |
wtf is this thread
cant believe people are taking offense and calling racism for a harmless thread celebrating the black players of Ipswich Town
brexit voters I'm guessing as I don't go on general
sorry bloots didn't mean to quote you specifically [Post edited 17 Oct 2023 22:10]
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| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 22:18 - Oct 17 with 1815 views | Hipsterectomy |
to add to the topic, ricardo fuller was one of the best players i've ever seen play for Town
shame he was only here 3 or 4 games | |
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| Stop being silly.... on 22:18 - Oct 17 with 1813 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Stop being silly.... on 22:09 - Oct 17 by Hipsterectomy |
wtf is this thread
cant believe people are taking offense and calling racism for a harmless thread celebrating the black players of Ipswich Town
brexit voters I'm guessing as I don't go on general
sorry bloots didn't mean to quote you specifically [Post edited 17 Oct 2023 22:10]
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Brexit voters? | |
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| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 22:32 - Oct 17 with 1771 views | acj |
Giovanni dos Santos has got to be worth a mention here, hasn’t he? Shame he only played a handful of times for us, but what a player. |  |
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| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 22:36 - Oct 17 with 1729 views | kesblue |
Jeez,
What if I said let's do a all white 11 , |  | | |
| Do you disagree with Black History Month.....? on 22:45 - Oct 17 with 1711 views | BlueBadger |
| Do you disagree with Black History Month.....? on 18:12 - Oct 17 by Trequartista |
I do adore Public Enemy. I'm not convinced this is along quite the same lines! |
....and some of your best friends are black? |  |
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| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 22:46 - Oct 17 with 1703 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
Carlos must be in the conversation.
Dalien Atkinson absolutely makes the 11, wish we'd had him longer |  |
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| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 23:19 - Oct 17 with 1816 views | itfctilidie |
| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 22:36 - Oct 17 by kesblue |
Jeez,
What if I said let's do a all white 11 , |
1. Cooper
2. Mills
3. Beattie
4. Baxter
5. Butcher
6. Muhren
7. Thyssen
8. Wark
9. Mariner
10. Crawford
11. Phillips |  | | |
| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 23:25 - Oct 17 with 1803 views | Superblue95 |
| Best ever Black Ipswich Town 11 on 16:46 - Oct 17 by PhilTWTD |
Yes, he is. Seem to remember him talking about his background some years ago. |
Genuinely never would have guessed that! Cheers, you learn something new everyday. |  |
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