| Stansfield on 09:23 - Jan 9 with 3523 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Stansfield on 09:17 - Jan 9 by ITFCson |
That is a lazy response. Hirst's attributes are integral to McKenna's style and the way he sets his team up. Hirst is in the team for a lot more than just his goals (and assists if you now want to quote those numbers). Stansfield is more of a smaller diminutive striker. I am not saying he is bad, I just don't understand the excitement around him. But I hope I am wrong and if he signs and bangs in 20 goals for us between now and May. |
I think your response was lazier considering he's 6'1 and not small or diminutive. |  | |  |
| Stansfield on 09:25 - Jan 9 with 3496 views | ReusersTown |
| Stansfield on 09:17 - Jan 9 by ITFCson |
That is a lazy response. Hirst's attributes are integral to McKenna's style and the way he sets his team up. Hirst is in the team for a lot more than just his goals (and assists if you now want to quote those numbers). Stansfield is more of a smaller diminutive striker. I am not saying he is bad, I just don't understand the excitement around him. But I hope I am wrong and if he signs and bangs in 20 goals for us between now and May. |
Your very first and main point is referencing goals scored, I'm not sure with your take you can go around calling people lazy. Having described him as diminutive and completely ignoring Stansfield's actual attributes. | | | |
| Stansfield on 09:26 - Jan 9 with 3476 views | Herbivore |
| Stansfield on 09:23 - Jan 9 by ITFCson |
Yes, I do not disagree with anything you have written. He would be a good signing (because we need more than 1 more new attacker). My point that is getting overlooked is he is not a natural replacement for Hirst and I do not think McKenna will be wanting to change the way we play to accommodate Stansfield as Hirsts replacement in a starting 11.
Lets just say we managed to sign Keiffer Moore (which I know wont happen) and Stansfield then I'd consider that I great window, however if we just signed stansfield as a striker I would consider it a bad window. [Post edited 9 Jan 2024 9:33]
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Moore isn't a like for like replacement for Hirst either. The fact is we are unlikely to sign someone who can offer us exactly the same attributes that Hirst does because he is quite unique in many ways in his movement, ability to press, physical presence, and running power. You don't get many forwards that can do what he does, not at this level at least. Stansfield is a good replacement, he moves well and has played the lone striker role a fair bit at Brum this season and he can also cover the other forward roles too. I'd much prefer him to Moore, who won't offer the same running and pressing. [Post edited 9 Jan 2024 9:28]
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| Stansfield on 09:30 - Jan 9 with 3412 views | ITFCson |
| Stansfield on 09:21 - Jan 9 by _clive_baker_ |
Your opinion carries as much weight as anyone's. I think the remit for our number 9 position isn't just about scoring goals. Of course you want your forward scoring, but Hirst's contribution is way bigger than that in terms of his work rate out of possession, pressing the opposition and his movement in the final 3rd which creates space and opportunities for those around him. I don't care who scores our goals as long as someone does and we outscore the opposition. I think that's why Hirst is such a blow, it's less about his 12-15 goals a season. Its no coincidence that we've looked less threatening since Hirst has been out, against 2 opponents you wouldn't otherwise have expected us to draw blanks against.
All that said I think Stansfield can score goals too, he's a really good finisher. |
I am in agreement with you. You are right with Hirst it is not about goals so much as he offers so much more. With Stansfield I am not sure he would offer everything Hirst does so therefore I would want him scoring more goals to compensate of which I don't think he would hence why I referenced Stansfields average GS numbers. | | | |
| Stansfield on 09:33 - Jan 9 with 3378 views | ITFCson |
| Stansfield on 09:23 - Jan 9 by Herbivore |
Why is it you don't expect goals from Hirst but you would expect them from Stansfield? He's a good footballer who can link up play as well and can operate off the striker as well as playing as a 9. He's not small either, he's over 6 foot, albeit he's a bit more wiry than Hirst. |
Bad research from me - I didn't think he was a 6 foot + striker. I am still not convinced he is the solution but I have learned to research players height before I make a comment on here!! Have a great day everyone  | | | |
| Stansfield on 09:34 - Jan 9 with 3361 views | ITFCson |
| Stansfield on 09:23 - Jan 9 by tractorboy1978 |
I think your response was lazier considering he's 6'1 and not small or diminutive. |
My response was not lazy, my research was however  | | | |
| Stansfield on 09:37 - Jan 9 with 3313 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Stansfield on 09:30 - Jan 9 by ITFCson |
I am in agreement with you. You are right with Hirst it is not about goals so much as he offers so much more. With Stansfield I am not sure he would offer everything Hirst does so therefore I would want him scoring more goals to compensate of which I don't think he would hence why I referenced Stansfields average GS numbers. |
We aren't going to get Hirst v2. I guess it's a case of working out what the key attributes we need are. I'd argue it's leading the press, being able to drop in and link up play and having decent mobility/movement. I think Stansfield has all of those. I think he is more of a fit than Moore is, even if Moore may be a more experienced striker with a better goal record. [Post edited 9 Jan 2024 9:39]
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| Stansfield on 09:39 - Jan 9 with 3267 views | ITFCson |
| Stansfield on 09:25 - Jan 9 by ReusersTown |
Your very first and main point is referencing goals scored, I'm not sure with your take you can go around calling people lazy. Having described him as diminutive and completely ignoring Stansfield's actual attributes. |
I referenced goals as I do not see him bringing as much to the team in other areas as Hirst does. Therefore I would want more goals directly from him to compensate. But it was poor on my part to not research his height. When I have seen him he looked small, more a fox in the box kind of striker. Looks like I was wrong on that. Although I stand by my opinion that he would not be as good as a signing as most think he would be - if that is ok! | | | |
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| Stansfield on 09:41 - Jan 9 with 3229 views | Herbivore |
| Stansfield on 09:34 - Jan 9 by ITFCson |
My response was not lazy, my research was however |
But not knowing his physical stature led you to pigeonhole him as primarily a goalscorer and you focused a lot on his goalscoring record, which is pretty lazy. McKenna has wanted him for the past couple of years and he will have seen attributes in him that are a good fit for us and the way we play. I've only seen Stansfield a few times but he looks to have good movement, plenty of running in him, and can finish as well. | |
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| Stansfield on 09:42 - Jan 9 with 3230 views | Yppswyche |
Until the recent signing of Travis, McKenna hasn’t stacked us up with exact replacements for any one player, often stating his desire for different skillsets and attributes from everyone in the squad. |  | | |
| Stansfield on 09:44 - Jan 9 with 3178 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Stansfield on 09:26 - Jan 9 by Herbivore |
Moore isn't a like for like replacement for Hirst either. The fact is we are unlikely to sign someone who can offer us exactly the same attributes that Hirst does because he is quite unique in many ways in his movement, ability to press, physical presence, and running power. You don't get many forwards that can do what he does, not at this level at least. Stansfield is a good replacement, he moves well and has played the lone striker role a fair bit at Brum this season and he can also cover the other forward roles too. I'd much prefer him to Moore, who won't offer the same running and pressing. [Post edited 9 Jan 2024 9:28]
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Stansfield + one of Woodrow or Armstrong from QPR for me | | | |
| Stansfield on 09:49 - Jan 9 with 3101 views | GeoffSentence |
There is a similar thread on Small Heath Alliance. Brum fans are just as confused as we are about what it all means, but overall they seem to be leaning towards thinking it means he will stay.
All I think it tells us is that footy fans will interpret cryptic stuff on the internet in the manner that they hope for. |  |
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| Stansfield on 10:07 - Jan 9 with 2927 views | BlueBadger |
| Stansfield on 09:49 - Jan 9 by GeoffSentence |
There is a similar thread on Small Heath Alliance. Brum fans are just as confused as we are about what it all means, but overall they seem to be leaning towards thinking it means he will stay.
All I think it tells us is that footy fans will interpret cryptic stuff on the internet in the manner that they hope for. |
I think the main takeaway from this is that it's just just us, ALL football fans are prone to massive over analysis of ambiguous or meaningless things said by football players and manager. |  |
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| Stansfield on 10:09 - Jan 9 with 2911 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Stansfield on 09:49 - Jan 9 by GeoffSentence |
There is a similar thread on Small Heath Alliance. Brum fans are just as confused as we are about what it all means, but overall they seem to be leaning towards thinking it means he will stay.
All I think it tells us is that footy fans will interpret cryptic stuff on the internet in the manner that they hope for. |
And some Fulham fans hoping he’ll be recalled as backup / a striker from the bench…the ideal for me is a loan with option to buy if we are promoted. Come on Ashton! | | | |
| Stansfield on 10:14 - Jan 9 with 2841 views | ReusersTown |
| Stansfield on 09:39 - Jan 9 by ITFCson |
I referenced goals as I do not see him bringing as much to the team in other areas as Hirst does. Therefore I would want more goals directly from him to compensate. But it was poor on my part to not research his height. When I have seen him he looked small, more a fox in the box kind of striker. Looks like I was wrong on that. Although I stand by my opinion that he would not be as good as a signing as most think he would be - if that is ok! |
You're obviously welcome to your opinion, it's just the reasoning behind that opinion doesn't appear to be sound at all. But you could well be right, we'll have to wait and see. | | | |
| Stansfield on 10:20 - Jan 9 with 2760 views | Keno |
| Stansfield on 09:49 - Jan 9 by GeoffSentence |
There is a similar thread on Small Heath Alliance. Brum fans are just as confused as we are about what it all means, but overall they seem to be leaning towards thinking it means he will stay.
All I think it tells us is that footy fans will interpret cryptic stuff on the internet in the manner that they hope for. |
Personally I think its def info that he may also have been abduction by the same aliens that 'borrowed' Brandon Williams
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| Stansfield on 10:21 - Jan 9 with 2741 views | Trequartista |
I interpret it as if I goes there will be trouble
And if he stays it will be double |  |
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| Stansfield on 12:08 - Jan 9 with 2224 views | Vegtablue |
| Stansfield on 09:33 - Jan 9 by ITFCson |
Bad research from me - I didn't think he was a 6 foot + striker. I am still not convinced he is the solution but I have learned to research players height before I make a comment on here!! Have a great day everyone |
Hirst's been heroic for us and I wish he was still leading our line, but I'm also not closed off to the possibility that Stansfield may improve us in some aspects and perhaps even overall.
Take these two reports:
https://fbref.com/en/players/b2626673/scout/365_m2/Jay-Stansfield-Scouting-Repor
https://fbref.com/en/players/78e87179/scout/365_m2/George-Hirst-Scouting-Report
Stanfield's defensive numbers are superb and his dribbling is a real asset too. Technically better and with a similar or better engine? There's a lot there for McKenna to like. Where Hirst has a clear advantage is in aerial duels. | | | |
| Stansfield on 12:18 - Jan 9 with 2121 views | StokieBlue |
I would be stunned if he has a better engine that Hirst who chases down everything until he's out on his feet.
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| Stansfield on 12:38 - Jan 9 with 1898 views | BondiBlue |
| Stansfield on 09:39 - Jan 9 by ITFCson |
I referenced goals as I do not see him bringing as much to the team in other areas as Hirst does. Therefore I would want more goals directly from him to compensate. But it was poor on my part to not research his height. When I have seen him he looked small, more a fox in the box kind of striker. Looks like I was wrong on that. Although I stand by my opinion that he would not be as good as a signing as most think he would be - if that is ok! |
I know what you mean. He looks like a strong gust would blow him over. Hirst assists with his head and by laying the ball off. From the look of those opta stats someone shared, it looks like stansfield's very good expected assists come from dribbling (maybe - it's hard to interpret). Certainly looks a different type of player.
I'd bet that mckenna's looking to evolve the style a bit. When teams start low-blocking us he'll need dribblers (sarmiwnto and maybe stansfield). I also wonder if a third DM (travis) has been signed with a counter-attacking style for the premier league in mind (a bit like leeds are set up now, which isn't working brilliantly for them this season but they'd probably stand a better chance of staying up in the prem than us playing the way they do.). | |
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| Stansfield on 12:39 - Jan 9 with 1881 views | Vegtablue |
| Stansfield on 12:18 - Jan 9 by StokieBlue |
I would be stunned if he has a better engine that Hirst who chases down everything until he's out on his feet.
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It's Hirst's greatest asset IMO, but Stansfield outscores him significantly in tackles, interceptions, blocks and ball recoveries. His crossing numbers suggest he runs into the channels too. Shame we can't access running data but Stanfield's numbers are indicative of someone who plays at high intensity, so I don't believe we need to worry about a drop-off there (if we're able to sign him). | | | |
| Stansfield on 12:45 - Jan 9 with 1777 views | NthQldITFC |
| Stansfield on 12:39 - Jan 9 by Vegtablue |
It's Hirst's greatest asset IMO, but Stansfield outscores him significantly in tackles, interceptions, blocks and ball recoveries. His crossing numbers suggest he runs into the channels too. Shame we can't access running data but Stanfield's numbers are indicative of someone who plays at high intensity, so I don't believe we need to worry about a drop-off there (if we're able to sign him). |
His 'progressive carries and 'successful take-ons' figures are very good too. That's gonna draw doubled-up defenders to him and create space for others - i.e. assist goals without showing up as xA.
I really hope he's coming here. |  |
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| Stansfield on 15:34 - Jan 9 with 1280 views | BiGDonnie |
| Stansfield on 12:45 - Jan 9 by NthQldITFC |
His 'progressive carries and 'successful take-ons' figures are very good too. That's gonna draw doubled-up defenders to him and create space for others - i.e. assist goals without showing up as xA.
I really hope he's coming here. |
Stansfields Wiki has undergone some interesting changes today... |  |
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| Stansfield on 15:38 - Jan 9 with 1253 views | berkstractorboy |
| Stansfield on 15:34 - Jan 9 by BiGDonnie |
Stansfields Wiki has undergone some interesting changes today... |
Back to saying he is on loan at Birmingham?
A Brum fan is claiming on twitter he has seen Stansfield training today | | | |
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