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It's nothing more than a sell of the boomers wet dream. There's a generation of shamed patriots who saw their parents go to war and have just enough guilt or misplaced pride in that to want this (but not enough to have volunteered themselves).
It is also, handily, a way to plug some of the gaping holes in the armed forces and NHS (caused by Tory underspend) with forced labour.
It's so cynical it makes me furious - not with them, I expect them to be awful - but with our society having a percentage of people who won't see this for what it is
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Mandatory National Service coming back… on 06:44 - May 26 with 2499 views
The tories have overseen and encouraged a huge increase in wealth inequality, meaning millions of kids are growing up in poverty and broken homes. National service is not the answer.
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 01:59 - May 26 by MJallday
I’m so angry about this I can’t sleep
I’m not sending my kids to fight in some war. I’ll hide them If needs be
These tories can’t win. They must not win. They must loose every single seat and that will still be not enough
This is genuinely scary and I am really rattled by this
They are going to lose and it’s not an issue.
And thankfully we aren’t at war. If we were at war then there would be reason to be scared beyond who actually goes to fight or not. So just try and not over stress about it.
Edit - BBC site saying that an alternative option is one weekend a month doing community service.
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 22:21 - May 25 by backwaywhen
This is something we should reintroduce IMHO , would give some sense of discipline and respect back into the younger generation, it didn’t do any harm to those that had to do it years ago , start with those out of work between the ages of 18 to 21 for a 2 year stint .
When I started full-time work in 1969 I had a colleague in his thirties who'd served in Aden and had a leg blown off. National service did him some harm.
And it did harm to those killed in places like Aden and Malaysia.
And it did harm to those thousands who were required to witness nuclear weapons testing in Australia and the Pacific and had their lives shortened. They were told to turn their backs to the explosions and put their hands over their eyes!
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 07:10 - May 26 by Tangledupin_Blue
When I started full-time work in 1969 I had a colleague in his thirties who'd served in Aden and had a leg blown off. National service did him some harm.
And it did harm to those killed in places like Aden and Malaysia.
And it did harm to those thousands who were required to witness nuclear weapons testing in Australia and the Pacific and had their lives shortened. They were told to turn their backs to the explosions and put their hands over their eyes!
Etcetera...
Can I say, my old man did national service and he said it was the best two years of his life.
He went into 617 squadron and did electrics on Lancaster bombers. He learnt a trade that he then took out of there and used for the rest of his life.
I’m not advocating for its return because I don’t believe that it’s for everyone. Frankly, it’s not going to happen. Rishi is sinking like a stone at the moment.
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 07:10 - May 26 by Tangledupin_Blue
When I started full-time work in 1969 I had a colleague in his thirties who'd served in Aden and had a leg blown off. National service did him some harm.
And it did harm to those killed in places like Aden and Malaysia.
And it did harm to those thousands who were required to witness nuclear weapons testing in Australia and the Pacific and had their lives shortened. They were told to turn their backs to the explosions and put their hands over their eyes!
Etcetera...
My late dad went to Aden but as a young regular. He had no idea what they were doing there or why. What he saw out there affected him for the rest of his life as did the skin cancer from sun exposure - in later years. The thought of one of my kids potentially being exposed to similar to prop up some corrupt public school boy's political ambitions makes me want to puke.
It's 106 miles to Portman Road, we've got a full tank of gas, half a round of Port Salut, it's dark... and we're wearing blue tinted sunglasses.
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 07:28 - May 26 by nodge_blue
Can I say, my old man did national service and he said it was the best two years of his life.
He went into 617 squadron and did electrics on Lancaster bombers. He learnt a trade that he then took out of there and used for the rest of his life.
I’m not advocating for its return because I don’t believe that it’s for everyone. Frankly, it’s not going to happen. Rishi is sinking like a stone at the moment.
Am happy to see that your father survived the experience and was able to have children.
Unlike many of those who were subjected to nuclear weapons testing who weren't able to become fathers. And, btw, the children of those who were not rendered impotent are massively more likely to have debilitating conditions such as spina bifida and these diseases are occurring in subsequent generations.
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 07:50 - May 26 by Tangledupin_Blue
Am happy to see that your father survived the experience and was able to have children.
Unlike many of those who were subjected to nuclear weapons testing who weren't able to become fathers. And, btw, the children of those who were not rendered impotent are massively more likely to have debilitating conditions such as spina bifida and these diseases are occurring in subsequent generations.
I probably shouldn’t have posted directly under your comment as it sounds like I’m trying to undermine your comment about the nuclear testing, which I’m not.
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 07:28 - May 26 by nodge_blue
Can I say, my old man did national service and he said it was the best two years of his life.
He went into 617 squadron and did electrics on Lancaster bombers. He learnt a trade that he then took out of there and used for the rest of his life.
I’m not advocating for its return because I don’t believe that it’s for everyone. Frankly, it’s not going to happen. Rishi is sinking like a stone at the moment.
I don’t wish to sound an arse. But take away the National service element and basically the government pays for young people to gain a skill. Gives them free experience to use that skill and that sets them up for life.
The cost of setting up national service will be best served improving educational prospects or improving schools. Or dare I say, allowing prisoners to gain skills which will set them up for life.
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Mandatory National Service coming back… on 08:15 - May 26 with 2136 views
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 08:08 - May 26 by MattinLondon
I don’t wish to sound an arse. But take away the National service element and basically the government pays for young people to gain a skill. Gives them free experience to use that skill and that sets them up for life.
The cost of setting up national service will be best served improving educational prospects or improving schools. Or dare I say, allowing prisoners to gain skills which will set them up for life.
I think that’s all fair enough points. I was just reading this thread and remembering that my old man really enjoyed it. I thought it was worth saying. After the initial stage he said everyone was well treated and they basically had a pretty good laugh. Went up in planes. Learnt o drive trucks. Learnt engineering.
A counter to that is an uncle who joined the army and saw it as 2 years of his life wasted before he left and became an architect.
But yes, investing in skills in young people can be done outside of that. I guess the quid pro quo for my old man, is if we had gone to war with Russia the RAF had a trained and skilled mechanic ready to go.
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 07:50 - May 26 by Tangledupin_Blue
Am happy to see that your father survived the experience and was able to have children.
Unlike many of those who were subjected to nuclear weapons testing who weren't able to become fathers. And, btw, the children of those who were not rendered impotent are massively more likely to have debilitating conditions such as spina bifida and these diseases are occurring in subsequent generations.
Some harrowing accounts of what people went through here. It had a devastating effect on not just them, but their families and eventual children as well.
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 08:49 - May 26 by Pinewoodblue
He would need to in his 80’s to have been conscripted into national service.
I was aware, I was trying to make a point that those who generally support this policy didn't do it themselves but are happy to shame younger generations about it.
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 08:52 - May 26 by DanTheMan
I was aware, I was trying to make a point that those who generally support this policy didn't do it themselves but are happy to shame younger generations about it.
It's almost like every thing baby boomers (generally) obsess about isn't reflected in their cushy lived experience of no need for qualifications, endless opportunity and dirt cheap asset classes across the board.
This is kamikaze politics from Rishi. Incredible scenes for Labour. Just need to keep their heads down and it's in the bag.
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 08:52 - May 26 by DanTheMan
I was aware, I was trying to make a point that those who generally support this policy didn't do it themselves but are happy to shame younger generations about it.
It is a bit like Brexit because polling indicated that those who had experienced WW2, whether in service or not, were much more inclined to vote Remain than the generation that followed, who talked a good war.
My mother, who was 89 at the time of the Brexit vote, was a case in point.
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Mandatory National Service coming back… on 09:10 - May 26 with 1913 views
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 08:52 - May 26 by DanTheMan
I was aware, I was trying to make a point that those who generally support this policy didn't do it themselves but are happy to shame younger generations about it.
The savvy ones signed up for three years and got paid a lot more.
Richy Sunak by suggesting it has shown just how out of touch he is with reality. Suppose it will stop the real issues being discussed for a couple of days.
There is of course a slim chance that Sir Keir Starmer will come up with a modified equivalent in case it is a vote winner.
As a country, we should be looking forward, not back. If the youngsters need something to do, find them something that they are interested in. No point in making people do things they have no interest in.
No need to worry as not a cat's chance the tories will win the next election. What I think is a good idea though if it was an option for young offenders as an alternative to prison. A spell inside often doesn't straighten them out and reoffending rates are high. A stint of military service might produce better results 🤔
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Mandatory National Service coming back… on 09:28 - May 26 by blueasfook
No need to worry as not a cat's chance the tories will win the next election. What I think is a good idea though if it was an option for young offenders as an alternative to prison. A spell inside often doesn't straighten them out and reoffending rates are high. A stint of military service might produce better results 🤔
having a national scheme for volunteering and including within that training opportunities would be good. you could then use that as an alternative in sentencing. but politically I don't understand their use of the 'national service' dog whistle. anyone responding to that will be the absolute core of tory supporters - are they really worried that even that core is now about to abandon them?
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Mandatory National Service coming back… on 09:37 - May 26 with 1792 views
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 09:35 - May 26 by lowhouseblue
having a national scheme for volunteering and including within that training opportunities would be good. you could then use that as an alternative in sentencing. but politically I don't understand their use of the 'national service' dog whistle. anyone responding to that will be the absolute core of tory supporters - are they really worried that even that core is now about to abandon them?
Agree, it's an odd policy to suddenly unveil. I certainly can't see garnering support amongst young voters
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Mandatory National Service coming back… on 09:37 - May 26 by blueasfook
Agree, it's an odd policy to suddenly unveil. I certainly can't see garnering support amongst young voters
Apparently, lots of people in their 50’s and 60’s have left the workforce.
Imagine a policy that decided people with a wealth of experience, must do National service.
I wonder if the people voting for the “opportunity” for youngsters to gain experience would also vote to be mandated to give that experience, for free.
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Mandatory National Service coming back… on 09:51 - May 26 with 1708 views
Mandatory National Service coming back… on 09:45 - May 26 by eireblue
Apparently, lots of people in their 50’s and 60’s have left the workforce.
Imagine a policy that decided people with a wealth of experience, must do National service.
I wonder if the people voting for the “opportunity” for youngsters to gain experience would also vote to be mandated to give that experience, for free.
I don't even think older voters are going to buy into it. I'm someone in their 50s. I'd rather see better educational opportunities for young people and the abolition of university fees so people aren't leaving university 50k in debt
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I wouldn't think that I'm the only rabid anti-T*ry who is, tentatively and in principle, in favour of at least hearing more about the idea. As I understand it from the few brief bits I've heard about it so far (when I can tear myself away from the angst of the managerial situation) it's not all about military service - could it involve things like assisting in social or environmental schemes for example?
I admit I've not read much about the proposal yet, but I'm not ideologically opposed to some form of safe- and well-managed scheme which could be of benefit the young individuals and to a moribund society. I'd be happier if it didn't involve a military aspect, but not entirely against it.
I realise that all of the above may bear no resemblance to what the T*ries are suggesting though, as I'm quite allergic to reading their sh!t!
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