| Media Speculation 09:58 - May 28 with 12747 views | bluesbrothers |
These people that keep pedaling the line "Ashton told us not to listen to the media etc". Are you suggesting that you think it's all been a load of b*ll*cks and that it's made up, just because he's ended up staying? I don't really understand why that's being chucked out there at people who were worried or did believe he was off elsewhere.
FWIW a source close to it at the Brighton end thought it was all wrapped up pre the interest from bigger clubs and they're v.surprised it's ended up with him not going anywhere.
Media speculation can be true, even if that same speculation doesn't end up playing out. He's now essentially said yes to two different clubs, and ended up back-tracking. I love it, but just cause he hasn't gone, doesn't mean he wasn't very close. |  | | |  |
| Media Speculation on 10:50 - May 28 with 1380 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Media Speculation on 10:47 - May 28 by tractorboy1978 |
That is the insinuation though - that he should be committed here whatever else happens/what he is offered or alternatively he is disloyal.
Can guarantee McKenna staying is going to be far more healthy for our chances of signing players this summer than him going would have been. |
You cant guarantee that, but I have no issues with an opposing view.
I'm not suggesting he's disloyal at all, I just hope that we have commitment for the whole season.
Fair enough if he wants a Top 4 release clause, but we should be able to rebut approaches from the likes of Palace and Brighton for this season. |  |
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| Media Speculation on 10:51 - May 28 with 1377 views | Swailsey |
| Media Speculation on 10:39 - May 28 by footers |
Minsmere season pass possibly? |
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| Media Speculation on 10:51 - May 28 with 1362 views | chicoazul |
| Media Speculation on 10:42 - May 28 by Herbivore |
This is an even more ridiculous take. I'd thought the new contract and end of speculation might have dried things out a bit on here but apparently not. |
It won’t be long before they get to “McK signing a new contract is a sign of disloyalty if he was loyal he would have turned it down and continued under his old terms” |  |
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| Media Speculation on 10:52 - May 28 with 1354 views | hoppy |
| Media Speculation on 10:49 - May 28 by Swansea_Blue |
The reason Ashton’s comments make sense is because there can only be one outcome. In this case Kieran can’t go to Man U AND Brighton AND Chelsea AND stay here. So people are wasting their time worrying about things that are not going to happen.
I’d have thought that was self-evident. Aston also knows how agents use the media to pressure for things, so knows there’ll be a lot of noise that’s purely a negotiating tactic.
That doesn’t mean the interest isn’t real. Of course there’ll be interest, as he’s the hottest property right now. He will be leaving at some point. I’d rather wait until it’s confirmed he’s gone before worrying about losing him. |
Is that Aston you speak of Mike, Mark, or even Jay of Bucks Fizz giving an opinion?
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| Media Speculation on 10:52 - May 28 with 1341 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Media Speculation on 10:48 - May 28 by Herbivore |
The bit implying he's not committed, the bit saying players will be put off by him being linked to other jobs. Players aren't fans, they know this is all part of football when you have a successful manager. No ambitious player who is thinking of joining us will turn us down because we have such a highly rated manager that big clubs are showing interest in him. |
He's been very close to leaving twice in the space of 4 months. As mentioned previously, it has put doubts into everyones minds, and that will include the players in my view.
As I stated, Im pleased hes staying, but I hope we have commitment for this season.
Players who are joining because they want to play under KM, may have doubts if they feel he'll be gone to the next managerial vacancy. | |
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| Media Speculation on 10:53 - May 28 with 1334 views | Herbivore |
| Media Speculation on 10:51 - May 28 by chicoazul |
It won’t be long before they get to “McK signing a new contract is a sign of disloyalty if he was loyal he would have turned it down and continued under his old terms” |
If McKenna was really loyal, he'd be paying us for the honour of being our manager. |  |
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| Media Speculation on 10:53 - May 28 with 1323 views | Swailsey |
| Media Speculation on 10:52 - May 28 by Marshalls_Mullet |
He's been very close to leaving twice in the space of 4 months. As mentioned previously, it has put doubts into everyones minds, and that will include the players in my view.
As I stated, Im pleased hes staying, but I hope we have commitment for this season.
Players who are joining because they want to play under KM, may have doubts if they feel he'll be gone to the next managerial vacancy. |
I do slightly agree with your last point | |
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| Media Speculation on 10:54 - May 28 with 1308 views | Asa |
| Media Speculation on 10:29 - May 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Let's be honest here. He's stayed because we've offered 100k a week. Got for him. But let's not pretend his loyal committed and all this rubbish that goes with it. He's clearly not otherwise all this wouldn't have happend.
He shall continue to get support as the manager of the club I support but I don't be falling for all this guff about his loyalty and how he's remained dignified through it all. |
I love my job. Absolutely love it. Can't imagine doing many things better. I work long hours and am paid very well to do something I love and am very lucky. For the first 20 years of my working life I did things I liked for okay money, or things that I didn't particularly enjoy for even less.
But if a bigger company came along or one a lot further down the line of where I want to one day be, with a greater reputation and offered me twice the money I was on, or three times the money I was on then I'm going to come very close to leaving or I'd be leaving.
Most people are the same. I'm not sure why anyone expects McKenna to be any different.
It's the way of the world. We got Burley because it was a better option for him. Same with Hurst. Works both ways.
Losing McKenna might have seen us go for anything between the Stuttgart manager, the Brentford manager or the Sheffield Wednesday manager or QPR manager and offer them more than they were on to get them.
I tell you what as well. If I got offered a lot more elsewhere and my current employers were that desperate to keep me they matched it, I'd be even more determined to pay them back for what they'd done for me. [Post edited 28 May 2024 10:54]
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| Media Speculation (n/t) on 10:55 - May 28 with 1279 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Media Speculation on 10:53 - May 28 by Swailsey |
I do slightly agree with your last point |
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| Media Speculation on 10:56 - May 28 with 1273 views | Herbivore |
| Media Speculation on 10:52 - May 28 by Marshalls_Mullet |
He's been very close to leaving twice in the space of 4 months. As mentioned previously, it has put doubts into everyones minds, and that will include the players in my view.
As I stated, Im pleased hes staying, but I hope we have commitment for this season.
Players who are joining because they want to play under KM, may have doubts if they feel he'll be gone to the next managerial vacancy. |
We don't know exactly how close he came to leaving, all we know if he's not ended up pursuing the chance to manage Palace or Brighton. A more positive spin is that he's chosen to remain here when he could have moved to more established Prem sides. But some of our fans seem allergic to positive takes it seems.
Don't agree that the current players or prospective signings will be remotely bothered by any of this. It's only some of our more flouncy fans that are really shook by him being in discussions about other jobs, a lot of fans recognise it's part of the game and players will be even more pragmatic about it. | |
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| Media Speculation on 10:56 - May 28 with 1263 views | Swailsey |
| Media Speculation on 10:54 - May 28 by Asa |
I love my job. Absolutely love it. Can't imagine doing many things better. I work long hours and am paid very well to do something I love and am very lucky. For the first 20 years of my working life I did things I liked for okay money, or things that I didn't particularly enjoy for even less.
But if a bigger company came along or one a lot further down the line of where I want to one day be, with a greater reputation and offered me twice the money I was on, or three times the money I was on then I'm going to come very close to leaving or I'd be leaving.
Most people are the same. I'm not sure why anyone expects McKenna to be any different.
It's the way of the world. We got Burley because it was a better option for him. Same with Hurst. Works both ways.
Losing McKenna might have seen us go for anything between the Stuttgart manager, the Brentford manager or the Sheffield Wednesday manager or QPR manager and offer them more than they were on to get them.
I tell you what as well. If I got offered a lot more elsewhere and my current employers were that desperate to keep me they matched it, I'd be even more determined to pay them back for what they'd done for me. [Post edited 28 May 2024 10:54]
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I suppose the main difference is that football is an incredibly emotive game, and essentially if you say work for Lloyds, you don’t perform half of your job directly in front of 30,000 banking customers. It’s obvious an emotional attachment will be formed, so I don’t think these ‘standard work’ comparisons are fair. [Post edited 28 May 2024 10:58]
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| Media Speculation on 10:57 - May 28 with 1252 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Media Speculation on 10:29 - May 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Let's be honest here. He's stayed because we've offered 100k a week. Got for him. But let's not pretend his loyal committed and all this rubbish that goes with it. He's clearly not otherwise all this wouldn't have happend.
He shall continue to get support as the manager of the club I support but I don't be falling for all this guff about his loyalty and how he's remained dignified through it all. |
 yes, our financial clout saw off Man U. Everyone knows we’re a much bigger and richer club and there’s no way they could promise him more in terms of salary, player budget, world leading training facilities.
Not enough face palms for this Frimmers chap, if you think he stayed purely for financial reasons. That doesn’t mean his agent (or him) haven’t pushed for a more competitive salary. He’s deserved it, so why not? |  |
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| Media Speculation on 10:58 - May 28 with 1230 views | Bluebacker |
So you could say that, in a strange twist of events, we should all be happy his agent was drumming up interest from the bigger clubs as that ultimately delayed things enough for KM to change his mind from Brighton to us | | | |
| Media Speculation on 10:59 - May 28 with 1213 views | Swailsey |
| Media Speculation on 10:58 - May 28 by Bluebacker |
So you could say that, in a strange twist of events, we should all be happy his agent was drumming up interest from the bigger clubs as that ultimately delayed things enough for KM to change his mind from Brighton to us |
I guess so. In the same way that Jonathan Barnett eventually led to Wright returning under Jim. | |
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| Media Speculation on 10:59 - May 28 with 1193 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Media Speculation on 10:53 - May 28 by Herbivore |
If McKenna was really loyal, he'd be paying us for the honour of being our manager. |
And I bet his missus was the one who put him up to it. Def info.
They’re crackers Herbs. Everyone’s gone nuts (more nuts than usual). | |
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| Media Speculation on 10:59 - May 28 with 1190 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Media Speculation on 10:56 - May 28 by Herbivore |
We don't know exactly how close he came to leaving, all we know if he's not ended up pursuing the chance to manage Palace or Brighton. A more positive spin is that he's chosen to remain here when he could have moved to more established Prem sides. But some of our fans seem allergic to positive takes it seems.
Don't agree that the current players or prospective signings will be remotely bothered by any of this. It's only some of our more flouncy fans that are really shook by him being in discussions about other jobs, a lot of fans recognise it's part of the game and players will be even more pragmatic about it. |
According to the most respected poster / mod on the forum, he had almost signed on the dotted line for both. I'm happy to take Phil at his word, its OK if youre not.
As I said, Im pleased hes staying, and I hope hes committed for the full season.
Looks like we wont agree on the point re prospective players, but thats OK.
I said all along that he wouldnt take the Brighton job, and I'm pleased that I was proven right. .......just!! I recognise that its part of the game, and thats why I would expect him to leave at the end of the season. No issue with that. | |
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| Media Speculation on 11:00 - May 28 with 1184 views | Herbivore |
| Media Speculation on 10:56 - May 28 by Swailsey |
I suppose the main difference is that football is an incredibly emotive game, and essentially if you say work for Lloyds, you don’t perform half of your job directly in front of 30,000 banking customers. It’s obvious an emotional attachment will be formed, so I don’t think these ‘standard work’ comparisons are fair. [Post edited 28 May 2024 10:58]
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But that emotion largely goes one way. We are fans, we love the club, managers and players don't have that same relationship with the club and haven't done for decades. The comparison is a fair one imo, your point more demonstrates why we're seeing some of the (over)reaction we've been seeing. | |
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| Media Speculation on 11:00 - May 28 with 1173 views | Asa |
| Media Speculation on 10:56 - May 28 by Swailsey |
I suppose the main difference is that football is an incredibly emotive game, and essentially if you say work for Lloyds, you don’t perform half of your job directly in front of 30,000 banking customers. It’s obvious an emotional attachment will be formed, so I don’t think these ‘standard work’ comparisons are fair. [Post edited 28 May 2024 10:58]
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Absolutely not.
There are definitely elements here such as the relationship with the fans, the time you'd be given and so on.
But McKenna may well think that his limit here is survival and at a club like Brighton he'd back himself for Top 4 or Top 6 with the right recruitment. Villa have got Champions League. Last season it was Newcastle. So I guess it depends on all the bits we can't see.
Are you suggesting when I walk into the office people don't sing my name? You'd be right! Lol. | | | |
| Media Speculation on 11:00 - May 28 with 1182 views | RegencyBlue |
| Media Speculation on 10:38 - May 28 by PhilTWTD |
Whether it's £100k a week, I'm not so sure, but there will clearly be a substantial payrise. However, I would guess KMc has been promised other stuff, budget, staff maybe, those sorts of things. |
We’ve been very well played as a club here by KM and his agent!
The public auction element of this must have ruffled a few feathers amongst the PR hierarchy though. Would like to have thought there was a better way of handling it but clearly not these days. |  | | |
| Media Speculation on 11:04 - May 28 with 1124 views | Herbivore |
| Media Speculation on 10:59 - May 28 by Marshalls_Mullet |
According to the most respected poster / mod on the forum, he had almost signed on the dotted line for both. I'm happy to take Phil at his word, its OK if youre not.
As I said, Im pleased hes staying, and I hope hes committed for the full season.
Looks like we wont agree on the point re prospective players, but thats OK.
I said all along that he wouldnt take the Brighton job, and I'm pleased that I was proven right. .......just!! I recognise that its part of the game, and thats why I would expect him to leave at the end of the season. No issue with that. |
But what does coming close mean? The closest it could have got was him being offered terms, weighing up his options, and ultimately turning them both down. If it was that close, the outcome is still that he chose to stay at Town rather than leave to join established Prem sides and yet that still isn't good enough for some of our fans. People have lost their heads. | |
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| Media Speculation on 11:05 - May 28 with 1100 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Media Speculation on 11:00 - May 28 by RegencyBlue |
We’ve been very well played as a club here by KM and his agent!
The public auction element of this must have ruffled a few feathers amongst the PR hierarchy though. Would like to have thought there was a better way of handling it but clearly not these days. |
I suspect it’s normal. It certainly happens for players and has done for a long time. It’s just that we’ve forgotten what it’s like to have a manager in demand. Aston hadn’t though, which is why he made his comments. He probably knew of the serious interest at that time (which could explain why he laboured the point). | |
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| Media Speculation on 11:05 - May 28 with 1102 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Media Speculation on 11:04 - May 28 by Herbivore |
But what does coming close mean? The closest it could have got was him being offered terms, weighing up his options, and ultimately turning them both down. If it was that close, the outcome is still that he chose to stay at Town rather than leave to join established Prem sides and yet that still isn't good enough for some of our fans. People have lost their heads. |
Chill out bro.
We wont agree, and that's OK.
We are both glad he's stayed, and we both back him. Its all good.
Try not to generalise about fans so much, I dont think its as polarised as you suggest. | |
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| Media Speculation on 11:07 - May 28 with 1065 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Media Speculation on 10:47 - May 28 by tractorboy1978 |
That is the insinuation though - that he should be committed here whatever else happens/what he is offered or alternatively he is disloyal.
Can guarantee McKenna staying is going to be far more healthy for our chances of signing players this summer than him going would have been. |
It may be far healthier getting players
It might however make it harder to keep players
Big part of this Is might. Not will not won't. Its might.
There is nothing wrong for people to support KM directly. There's nothing wrong with those who's only interest is ipswich.
Is it loyal to almost leave twice? Is it loyal to stay twice? There's the fence and there's two sides to it. |  |
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| Media Speculation on 11:08 - May 28 with 1052 views | Stewart27 |
| Media Speculation on 10:21 - May 28 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Even Phil has said that KM came very close to joining Palace in Feb, and now in May he very nearly joined Brighton.
I think its safe to say that its been more than just idle speculation.
I'm pleased KM is staying, but nearly leaving twice in 4 months isn't a great look. I hope he is now 100% committed to us for the season.
Existing players and potential new signings are entitled to doubt KM's commitment to the club, which is a shame. Hopefully by the time the season starts the club will again have the feeling of togetherness. |
Not a great look?
It’s literally life. Actual every day life. | | | |
| Media Speculation on 11:09 - May 28 with 1048 views | Whos_blue |
| Media Speculation on 10:45 - May 28 by hoppy |
In the summer of 1977, Everton missed out on the best boss they never had. Approached no more than four times, Bobby Robson never became Everton manager despite even accepting the job.
They agreed a 10-year deal. "It was the original offer I couldn't refuse - and I didn?t, said Robson. However, after Sir John Moores made the deal public despite Robson's request not to, the then Ipswich Town boss ripped up what he descried as 'a rather large cheque' and thus, he never became Everton manager. |
And the rest, as they say, is history.
The next 5 years were arguably the most successful in the club's history.
If memory serves me right, I seem to recall he almost also left at the end of the 81 season, but signed on for another season until the lure of the England job became too much.
KM seems to be staying for now.
Depending on how next season pans out, it may be his last.
Can we just try to get behind him and the team and enjoy it, rather than drag out the seemingly endless post mortem of a situation not one of us knows for certain what really happened. |  |
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