| Ingerlund at euro 2024 09:01 - Jun 3 with 4272 views | chicoazul |
Anyone else concerned? We have massive problems in 2 areas and a pretty big problem in one.
Centre half - Stones has hardly played and Maguire is a knacker, who else is there?
Left back - we don’t have one, literally.
Centre mid - probably a good problem but how do we deploy Bellingham exactly? Rice is great but who do we play with him? Mainoo is a child and bossman clearly doesn’t like Maddison for whatever reason
Yes on paper we are mustard up front. But how do you cram them all in? Palmer and Foden basically play the same role in the same position.
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| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:11 - Jun 3 with 2969 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I have concerns.
The defence mainly, but as you say the left side. We will likely be playing a centre half or a right footed right back at left back. That means whoever pays left wing will have a lot of work to do, to probably hold down that left side on his own. Gordon, for me, is by far the best option to play on the left. I'm no Southgate hater, quite the opposite in fact but I don't understand why he hasn't brought a natural left back in at least this provisional squad. Surely Tyrick Mitchell or someone was worth a look. FWIW my team would be
Pickford
Walker
Stones
Maguire
Trippier (if shaw is not fit)
Rice
Bellingham
Foden
Saka
Kane
Gordon |  |
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| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:12 - Jun 3 with 2957 views | homer_123 |
We'll lose in the Quarters. |  |
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| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:18 - Jun 3 with 2920 views | JakeITFC |
Defence is an issue on paper, but one thing you have to say is that they at least have continuity together (Pickford, Walker, Stones, Maguire and Trippier all played in Southgate's first tournament game together in 2018). I don't hate it if we go with that, or if he looks to deploy a player like Gomez on the left with the option to solidify the midfield with Stones stepping up into it like he does for City.
Given he likes two sitting, I would think it's maybe Rice with Mainoo in the driving seat to sit alongside him. I'd hope we have the ability to move into a 4-1-4-1 with the CB moving up out of possession (as mentioned above) either in game or starting against the weaker sides.
If so I think we'd be (default 4-2-3-1) of:
Pickford
Walker Stones Maguire Trippier
Rice Mainoo
Saka Bellingham Foden
Kane
or (4-1-4-1):
Pickford
Walker Stones Maguire Gomez
Rice
Saka Bellingham Foden Palmer
Kane
Both of which are nice teams with good balance for my money. I do think we will miss the direct running power of Rashford off the bench - Gordon/Bowen are the options but I just don't think they have the same ability as Rashford, despite much better seasons. |  | | |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:19 - Jun 3 with 2912 views | Reus30 |
Nope, we will be fine. 2 weeks to go and they will all be fit and ready by then (except Shaw who will be by KOs) |  | | |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:20 - Jun 3 with 2901 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:12 - Jun 3 by homer_123 |
We'll lose in the Quarters. |
Possible. Potential quarters against Spain or Italy, maybe Croatia too. |  | | |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:23 - Jun 3 with 2865 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:11 - Jun 3 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I have concerns.
The defence mainly, but as you say the left side. We will likely be playing a centre half or a right footed right back at left back. That means whoever pays left wing will have a lot of work to do, to probably hold down that left side on his own. Gordon, for me, is by far the best option to play on the left. I'm no Southgate hater, quite the opposite in fact but I don't understand why he hasn't brought a natural left back in at least this provisional squad. Surely Tyrick Mitchell or someone was worth a look. FWIW my team would be
Pickford
Walker
Stones
Maguire
Trippier (if shaw is not fit)
Rice
Bellingham
Foden
Saka
Kane
Gordon |
I can't see us playing Bellingham alongside Rice. I would think it'll be Gallagher and Bellingham #10. And we need to find a way to start Palmer given the form he's been in lately, I don't think we'll see a lot of Gordon. | | | |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:24 - Jun 3 with 2853 views | BloomBlue |
As KM has proved subs are just as important as the starting 11. So I'm not concerned about the Foden, Palmer question, start with one and sub with the other when required. Just make sure you give the sub sufficient time if its not going to plan. |  | | |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:26 - Jun 3 with 2840 views | N2_Blue |
Just not really that bothered off the back of our season and i just don't ever really expect with England, even with the slightly better recent tournament showings and some genuinely world class players.
If England win - Fantastic what a way to finsh the perfect season. If England get knocked out early, i'll just be like oh well nevermind, now let me look at that Prem fixture list again!
As a man in my forties I would say my my passion and exceitemnt for Ipswich almost gets stronger as I get older, even having endured some dark days over the last 10 years. However my passion for international football and England actually dwindles year by year even with having a pretty decent team these days. It's nothing like how mad for it i was in my 20s, even went to some away games but now just doesn't seem the same now. |  |
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| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:31 - Jun 3 with 2813 views | rickw |
It now sounds like Shaw will make it so that's a positive, he wouldn't have played in 4 months though which isn't great.
After Stones and Maguire next is Guehi - who's also been injured! He's looked solid for England in the games he's played so far.
Bellingham makes sense in midfield but I think Southgate will play him in the number 10 position - which is all he'd consider Maddison for too. Southgate wants to play Alexander Arnold in midfield with Rice, if that doesn't work I think he'll go for Gallagher ahead of Mainoo - at least to start with.
If it was me, I'd start Bellingham in midfield then you can have Foden in the no. 10 and either Palmer off the left (rotating with Foden) or Gordon who's more natural to that position |  |
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| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:32 - Jun 3 with 2804 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:23 - Jun 3 by _clive_baker_ |
I can't see us playing Bellingham alongside Rice. I would think it'll be Gallagher and Bellingham #10. And we need to find a way to start Palmer given the form he's been in lately, I don't think we'll see a lot of Gordon. |
Neither do I but I think we should be seeing lots of Gordon. Just don't think there is enough pace or off the ball energy in that team without him. Everyone just feels a but too similar.
I think we will be ok until we play France, assuming we do play them at some point. | |
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| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:37 - Jun 3 with 2784 views | CaptainAhab |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:20 - Jun 3 by _clive_baker_ |
Possible. Potential quarters against Spain or Italy, maybe Croatia too. |
I wouldn't fear any of them. My biggest concern for the quarters is I've foolishly agreed to go camping that weekend. Anyone know any good pubs likely to be showing the footie in Southwold?? |  | | |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:41 - Jun 3 with 2770 views | Mercian |
For some reason Southgate ignores Tomori. He is not as good as some Milan fanboys would have you believe which he is one of the top 5 centre-backs in the world but he is is very good and plays just about every game for a team who are just below eilte level. If someone does not play in England Southgate seems to totally ignore them unless they cannot be ignored like Bellingham or are one of his inner circle like Henderson. I was happily gobsmacked that he was left out of this squad. |  | | |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:53 - Jun 3 with 2689 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:37 - Jun 3 by CaptainAhab |
I wouldn't fear any of them. My biggest concern for the quarters is I've foolishly agreed to go camping that weekend. Anyone know any good pubs likely to be showing the footie in Southwold?? |
We’ve already been beaten by two of those recently, and would lose again. Whereas Town are better than the sum of their parts, England are the opposite. Not sure why so many people go into every tournament thinking we’ll cruise to victory.
Quarters or semi’s for me. I know it’s frowned upon to discuss the limitations of Southgate as a manager, in 10 years he’ll just be remembered as a nearly man who presided over one of the most talented England teams for generations. A nice guy, but too loyal to the like of McGuire and Henderson, and his lack of ruthlessness in his selections and tactics will one again see us fall short. He’ll then go on to continue to be mediocre in club management. | | | |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:57 - Jun 3 with 2672 views | Rimsy |
Sorry can't make you feel better. We'll ease thru the group stages and the first good side we face, we'll crumble as usual. We alway look good on paper. I blame Southgate, just doesn't have the tactical nous to make the best of the players. How can you not have a dedicated left back going into a tournament. |  |
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| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:59 - Jun 3 with 2661 views | Lord_Lucan |
Thankfully I couldn't care one bit about England. |  |
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| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 10:08 - Jun 3 with 2596 views | Swansea_Blue |
No concerns whatsoever, as I’m not that fussed about us. I’d like us to do well of course, but I won’t be losing any sleep if we don’t. I lost enough sleep worrying about us over the season.
I’m really looking forward to the tournament though. I’m like a kid at Christmas about it for some reason, and I haven’t even got the sticker album. |  |
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| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 10:10 - Jun 3 with 2583 views | CaptainAhab |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 09:53 - Jun 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
We’ve already been beaten by two of those recently, and would lose again. Whereas Town are better than the sum of their parts, England are the opposite. Not sure why so many people go into every tournament thinking we’ll cruise to victory.
Quarters or semi’s for me. I know it’s frowned upon to discuss the limitations of Southgate as a manager, in 10 years he’ll just be remembered as a nearly man who presided over one of the most talented England teams for generations. A nice guy, but too loyal to the like of McGuire and Henderson, and his lack of ruthlessness in his selections and tactics will one again see us fall short. He’ll then go on to continue to be mediocre in club management. |
I'm certainly not thinking we'll cruise to victory and tbh haven't seen/read anyone suggesting we will. Just said I wouldn't fear any of them. Of course we could lose to any of them, and there'd be no shame in that. I find the innate pessimism of some people regarding England perplexing.
I would probably say though it is time for Southgate to move on after this tournament regardless of what happens. He's done a brilliant job getting players to enjoy playing for England again and laid some strong foundations, he deserves massive credit for that. But yeah be good to see what a better tactician could do with this squad. | | | |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 13:43 - Jun 3 with 2289 views | Ftnfwest |
Trouble is our 3 best players (or at least attacking players) are Bellingham, Foden and Palmer and although i'm not that keen on southgate overall, he has a bit of a quandry as basically they're all nr 10's. Does he play all 3 in a 4-2-3-1 with Kane up top plus Rice and Mainoo or Gallagher behind?
The one thing i do think Southgate as done well over his tenure is generally pick the best team (rather than a lot of england coaches before him who by and large pick the best 11 players, but not the best team...)
Defence pretty poor though so think that will stop us winning this in any event. |  | | |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 13:47 - Jun 3 with 2277 views | Trequartista |
Can Alexander-Arnold play alongside Rice? I don't keep up with the Premier League or England much nowadays so don't know if he even plays there much now. |  |
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| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 13:48 - Jun 3 with 2263 views | Trequartista |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 13:43 - Jun 3 by Ftnfwest |
Trouble is our 3 best players (or at least attacking players) are Bellingham, Foden and Palmer and although i'm not that keen on southgate overall, he has a bit of a quandry as basically they're all nr 10's. Does he play all 3 in a 4-2-3-1 with Kane up top plus Rice and Mainoo or Gallagher behind?
The one thing i do think Southgate as done well over his tenure is generally pick the best team (rather than a lot of england coaches before him who by and large pick the best 11 players, but not the best team...)
Defence pretty poor though so think that will stop us winning this in any event. |
Saka has got be ahead of Palmer surely? | |
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| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 14:22 - Jun 3 with 2204 views | jayessess |
Having a few positions where you've got to pick between a few fairly mediocre options is the lot of an international manager.
France probably have the most complete squad, but look pretty short at right back and centre forward to me.
England probably won't win Euro 2024 but it won't be because they're weak in a few positions (every team will be) or their manager is that great (no international team has an actually elite manager). It'll be because it's tournament football and the likeliest outcome is you end up losing at least one of the 4/5 fine margins games at the end. |  |
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| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 17:24 - Jun 3 with 2026 views | quirkie |
First decent team Engerland come up against and...
Well you know the rest. |  |
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| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 20:43 - Jun 3 with 1919 views | Ftnfwest |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 13:48 - Jun 3 by Trequartista |
Saka has got be ahead of Palmer surely? |
I think he will be as he’s more of an out and out winger and it would be a more balanced side, but palmers a better player, offers more, but as a 10 and we’ve already got Bellingham and foden | | | |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 20:48 - Jun 3 with 1883 views | Mark |
I switched on, saw England are playing in grey at home against an away team in white, and switched off. These friendlies are usually dull, but at least they could dress correctly. |  | | |
| Ingerlund at euro 2024 on 21:10 - Jun 3 with 1851 views | MK1 |
Think we make the Semi finals where we are likely to meet France. Win that one and we win the tournament.
Trent AA is not a midfielder. |  |
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