| ITV Debate 21:02 - Jun 4 with 18113 views | Zx1988 |
Not holding out much hope of Sunak wanting to debate properly. Assuming it'll be 60mins of him whining 'but Corbyn', no? |  |
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| ITV Debate on 21:27 - Jun 4 with 1568 views | mutters |
| ITV Debate on 21:25 - Jun 4 by SitfcB |
Maybe it should’ve been a bloke doing it? |
Not sure that would necessarily be the answer. Maybe somebody with a stronger personality and the ability to manage these two |  |
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| ITV Debate on 21:27 - Jun 4 with 1562 views | Zx1988 |
| ITV Debate on 21:24 - Jun 4 by blueasfook |
He had the opportunity to address the 2k tax question and he changed the subject and spoke about something else. |
Not the best answer to it just then. I was hoping it could be settled by a simple 'no', rather than the technical explanation given. | |
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| ITV Debate on 21:27 - Jun 4 with 1563 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ITV Debate on 21:25 - Jun 4 by SitfcB |
Maybe it should’ve been a bloke doing it? |
Problem is that the moderator has no power here. You cant moderate without some sort of sanction or authority. Very difficult. | | | |
| ITV Debate on 21:27 - Jun 4 with 1552 views | Swansea_Blue |
| ITV Debate on 21:24 - Jun 4 by mutters |
Maybe I am being unfair but this moderator seems to be struggling to manage this debate |
She’s awful. I’ve had enough. |  |
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| ITV Debate on 21:29 - Jun 4 with 1538 views | blueasfook |
| ITV Debate on 21:27 - Jun 4 by Zx1988 |
Not the best answer to it just then. I was hoping it could be settled by a simple 'no', rather than the technical explanation given. |
Agree. All I want to hear is a straight "no, I won't raise taxes". But then he didn't raise his hand when asked if it was wrong. |  |
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| ITV Debate on 21:29 - Jun 4 with 1537 views | Bigalhunter |
Just like being on here in 2018.
The last bastion of the individual with no defence, no plan and no realistic hope of turning things around.
Go down slapping and scratching at everything.
It worked for Bruno Fernandez and Man Utd this season, and Suck Ear is no Pep on the opposition bench. |  |
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| ITV Debate on 21:29 - Jun 4 with 1535 views | Zx1988 |
Utterly disingenuous from Sunak on tax on pensions. Acting as if no pensioner currently pays tax.
Although, that said, his pensioner mates probably have suitable arrangements in place. | |
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| ITV Debate on 21:29 - Jun 4 with 1526 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ITV Debate on 21:27 - Jun 4 by Swansea_Blue |
She’s awful. I’ve had enough. |
Incredibly frustrating.
Allows Sunak to talk over her to get in whatever he likes, and then shuts down the response prompted by what Sunak says. Arguably Starmer is suffering from being more professional and polite.
Someone will do an analysis afterwards on how long each spoke for. I expect a significant discrepancy. [Post edited 4 Jun 2024 21:31]
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| ITV Debate on 21:31 - Jun 4 with 1502 views | Zx1988 |
| ITV Debate on 21:27 - Jun 4 by Swansea_Blue |
She’s awful. I’ve had enough. |
It needs rule-based moderation from the gantry - microphones switched off unless the participant has been invited to speak. | |
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| ITV Debate on 21:31 - Jun 4 with 1498 views | Swansea_Blue |
| ITV Debate on 21:27 - Jun 4 by mutters |
Not sure that would necessarily be the answer. Maybe somebody with a stronger personality and the ability to manage these two |
And surely you need to let something like this breath. I’d like to hear them justify what they’re saying as that’s the only way you get any insight into their reasoning or even if they understand what they’re talking about. That’s by far the worst TV debate I’ve seen and they’re rarely good at the best of times. | |
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| ITV Debate on 21:32 - Jun 4 with 1483 views | Pinewoodblue |
Presumably when the programme ends both of them, and their supporters are going to say they won. |  |
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| ITV Debate on 21:32 - Jun 4 with 1467 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ITV Debate on 21:31 - Jun 4 by Swansea_Blue |
And surely you need to let something like this breath. I’d like to hear them justify what they’re saying as that’s the only way you get any insight into their reasoning or even if they understand what they’re talking about. That’s by far the worst TV debate I’ve seen and they’re rarely good at the best of times. |
Its voxpop questioning for a generation that cant concentrate on nuance or for more than the length of a tiktok. | | | |
| ITV Debate on 21:33 - Jun 4 with 1467 views | SitfcB |
| ITV Debate on 21:31 - Jun 4 by Swansea_Blue |
And surely you need to let something like this breath. I’d like to hear them justify what they’re saying as that’s the only way you get any insight into their reasoning or even if they understand what they’re talking about. That’s by far the worst TV debate I’ve seen and they’re rarely good at the best of times. |
Starmer gets two words into an answer and she’s straight in with the ‘ok, alright…’ ffs |  |
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| ITV Debate on 21:34 - Jun 4 with 1449 views | Zx1988 |
| ITV Debate on 21:29 - Jun 4 by redrickstuhaart |
Incredibly frustrating.
Allows Sunak to talk over her to get in whatever he likes, and then shuts down the response prompted by what Sunak says. Arguably Starmer is suffering from being more professional and polite.
Someone will do an analysis afterwards on how long each spoke for. I expect a significant discrepancy. [Post edited 4 Jun 2024 21:31]
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I assume that the roles each of them are playing have been extensively focus-grouped by their respective campaign teams.
Sunak's base will probably love his aggressive approach, whilst Starmer's camp have probably decided it's best to let Sunak look as aggressive and rude as possible. | |
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| ITV Debate on 21:34 - Jun 4 with 1452 views | lowhouseblue |
| ITV Debate on 21:27 - Jun 4 by Swansea_Blue |
She’s awful. I’ve had enough. |
it's a dreadful format. there isn't enough time to form a reasonable answer. she starts telling them to stop after about 15 seconds and at the same time is failing to shut sunak up. really pointless. |  |
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| ITV Debate on 21:35 - Jun 4 with 1426 views | baxterbasics |
Am not buying Starmers’ answer on using private healthcare for a loved one. Doubt anyone will. Credibility shot right there. |  |
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| ITV Debate on 21:36 - Jun 4 with 1408 views | Zx1988 |
"If you don't stop interrupting each other, you'll leave me with no choice but to ask you politely again."
Just get the taser out, Julie. [Post edited 4 Jun 2024 21:36]
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| ITV Debate on 21:39 - Jun 4 with 1334 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ITV Debate on 21:34 - Jun 4 by lowhouseblue |
it's a dreadful format. there isn't enough time to form a reasonable answer. she starts telling them to stop after about 15 seconds and at the same time is failing to shut sunak up. really pointless. |
The format appears to be based on the idea that Sunak can put questions to Starmer and he must answer them but not vice versa. | | | |
| ITV Debate on 21:40 - Jun 4 with 1320 views | blueasfook |
This woman running the debate is terrible. She's stifling it. | |
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| ITV Debate on 21:43 - Jun 4 with 1267 views | Swansea_Blue |
| ITV Debate on 21:35 - Jun 4 by baxterbasics |
Am not buying Starmers’ answer on using private healthcare for a loved one. Doubt anyone will. Credibility shot right there. |
If that’s true, it’s exactly what we need. But yeah, I’m struggling to believe it. | |
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| ITV Debate on 21:43 - Jun 4 with 1270 views | cressi |
Sunak just won't shut up and debate. Got bored so changed channel.
I'm voting Labour anyway 14 yrs of this lot is enough for anybody with a ounce of self respect. | | | |
| ITV Debate on 21:43 - Jun 4 with 1258 views | EastTownBlue |
"Yes or no ?"
"blah blah waffle etc". | | | |
| ITV Debate on 21:45 - Jun 4 with 1215 views | GlasgowBlue |
I'm behind the rest of you but I thought Starmer was very evasive with regards to ending the junior doctors strike. Answer the question FFS.
Sunak is very aggressive which may grate as time goes on but as a natural Tory voter switching to Labour, I'm not impressed with Starmer under pressure so far. |  |
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| ITV Debate on 21:47 - Jun 4 with 1193 views | Zx1988 |
| ITV Debate on 21:43 - Jun 4 by EastTownBlue |
"Yes or no ?"
"blah blah waffle etc". |
Sunak's ECHR answer was just weird. Clearly intends to withdraw the UK if required, but doesn't want to explicitly say so. | |
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| ITV Debate on 21:48 - Jun 4 with 1168 views | portmanking |
| ITV Debate on 21:45 - Jun 4 by GlasgowBlue |
I'm behind the rest of you but I thought Starmer was very evasive with regards to ending the junior doctors strike. Answer the question FFS.
Sunak is very aggressive which may grate as time goes on but as a natural Tory voter switching to Labour, I'm not impressed with Starmer under pressure so far. |
Agreed on both fronts.
I was also irritated at his response re. not using private healthcare for a loved one. I just don't buy it. He looked so shifty after saying 'no' too. He just said it to look like a man of the people.
If I'm honest, I'm not impressed with either. Growing feeling of being politically homeless. | | | |
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