| ITV Debate 21:02 - Jun 4 with 17802 views | Zx1988 |
Not holding out much hope of Sunak wanting to debate properly. Assuming it'll be 60mins of him whining 'but Corbyn', no? |  |
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| ITV Debate on 22:14 - Jun 4 with 1745 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ITV Debate on 22:11 - Jun 4 by SitfcB |
Sunak more interested in kicking the boot in on Labours apparent ‘no plan’ ‘£2000 tax’ rather than telling us what the Tories will actually do. Little sound bites that he hopes will be picked sup by some…but no one trusts him so not going to work. |
Best point made all night was Starmer pointing out that Sunak has called an election before any of his plan has had the chance to demonstrably work...
The dishonesty from Sunak on tax is embarrassing and cynical. But many of the electorate will buy it. You cant buy integrity... | | | |
| ITV Debate on 22:15 - Jun 4 with 1725 views | Zx1988 |
| ITV Debate on 22:11 - Jun 4 by GlasgowBlue |
What we really need is the pair of them in front of Andrew Neil for 30 minutes each. |
Yes. He absolutely evicerated Corbyn in 2019, and probably would have done the same (or worse) to the bloater had he designed to leave his protective fridge.
Which is precisely why that'll never happen again. | |
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| ITV Debate on 22:16 - Jun 4 with 1708 views | Zx1988 |
| ITV Debate on 22:14 - Jun 4 by redrickstuhaart |
Best point made all night was Starmer pointing out that Sunak has called an election before any of his plan has had the chance to demonstrably work...
The dishonesty from Sunak on tax is embarrassing and cynical. But many of the electorate will buy it. You cant buy integrity... |
That, along with policy, needs to be Labour's key rebuttal for the next four weeks.
If the plan is working so well, and is going to continue working, why call an election now when things are still so sh*te? | |
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| ITV Debate on 22:17 - Jun 4 with 1698 views | bazza |
| ITV Debate on 22:11 - Jun 4 by SitfcB |
Sunak more interested in kicking the boot in on Labours apparent ‘no plan’ ‘£2000 tax’ rather than telling us what the Tories will actually do. Little sound bites that he hopes will be picked sup by some…but no one trusts him so not going to work. |
He’s right what he said, labour have had 14 years to think about things, and haven’t really offered anything to revitalise the voters. Labour are going to win a landslide off the back off how terrible the conservatives are, and that’s actually quite worrying. Starmer looked like a rabbit in the headlights whenever he got challenged on his policy funding. |  | | |
| ITV Debate on 22:17 - Jun 4 with 1687 views | J2BLUE |
| ITV Debate on 22:11 - Jun 4 by GlasgowBlue |
What we really need is the pair of them in front of Andrew Neil for 30 minutes each. |
I thought the same. |  |
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| ITV Debate on 22:18 - Jun 4 with 1677 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ITV Debate on 22:16 - Jun 4 by Zx1988 |
That, along with policy, needs to be Labour's key rebuttal for the next four weeks.
If the plan is working so well, and is going to continue working, why call an election now when things are still so sh*te? |
Sunak's response was to completely dishonestly and illogically say "oh look he's been asking for an election all this time and now he says its too early" (paraphrased).
Not an honest inerlocutor. | | | |
| ITV Debate on 22:21 - Jun 4 with 1646 views | Zx1988 |
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| ITV Debate on 22:26 - Jun 4 with 1609 views | eireblue |
A little bit disappointed in Starmer, and whoever prepped him.
That was the same style Rishi used with Truss. They should have anticipated that.
Starmer needed to be sharper and get a quick response out first, and then do a contrast with the Tory record. Or directly tell Rishi to stop interrupting. |  | | |
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| ITV Debate on 22:29 - Jun 4 with 1587 views | Zx1988 |
| ITV Debate on 22:26 - Jun 4 by eireblue |
A little bit disappointed in Starmer, and whoever prepped him.
That was the same style Rishi used with Truss. They should have anticipated that.
Starmer needed to be sharper and get a quick response out first, and then do a contrast with the Tory record. Or directly tell Rishi to stop interrupting. |
It'll be interesting to see if/how Starmer changes his approach next time out. Hopefully the real life responses will embolden him to be a little more forthright and, as you suggest, perhaps just call out Sunak on his behaviour.
Was that not the strategy that served Nick Clegg so well in 2010? Chiding Cameron and Brown for their constant bickering, and saying something along the lines of viewers wanting to see debate, not squabbling? [Post edited 4 Jun 2024 22:30]
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| ITV Debate on 22:33 - Jun 4 with 1549 views | davblue |
| ITV Debate on 22:09 - Jun 4 by bazza |
If labour lose this election, it’ll be on par with Leeds collapse this season.. starmer could’ve not bothered turning up, and it wouldn’t have made a difference |
Nah it would be Newcastle under Keegan, without the flair’ |  | | |
| ITV Debate on 22:33 - Jun 4 with 1552 views | itfcsuth |
I have very little interest in politics to be honest, but had to watch them two comedy acts have a debate.
Both are as bad as each other, neither are leaders, both are bandits.
Whoever wins, and I couldn’t care less, will be full of corruption, empty promises, lies and scandals. |  | | |
| ITV Debate on 22:33 - Jun 4 with 1546 views | Clapham_Junction |
| ITV Debate on 21:49 - Jun 4 by SitfcB |
We’d all use private healthcare personally or for family if we could, should’ve just said yes. |
Why do people assume things like this? I would never use private healthcare on principle (and have had the opportunity to do so). |  | | |
| ITV Debate on 22:35 - Jun 4 with 1539 views | davblue |
| ITV Debate on 21:34 - Jun 4 by lowhouseblue |
it's a dreadful format. there isn't enough time to form a reasonable answer. she starts telling them to stop after about 15 seconds and at the same time is failing to shut sunak up. really pointless. |
Needs to be 1:30 to 2 hours. | | | |
| ITV Debate on 22:37 - Jun 4 with 1521 views | bazza |
| ITV Debate on 22:33 - Jun 4 by davblue |
Nah it would be Newcastle under Keegan, without the flair’ |
Would have been quality if starmer had signed off with you know what, I’d love it if we beat them . | | | |
| ITV Debate on 22:43 - Jun 4 with 1479 views | Matterhorn |
If people need a to debate about who to vote for after the last 14 years perhaps they’re not fit to vote anyway! |  | | |
| ITV Debate on 22:43 - Jun 4 with 1476 views | LeoMuff |
| ITV Debate on 22:29 - Jun 4 by Zx1988 |
It'll be interesting to see if/how Starmer changes his approach next time out. Hopefully the real life responses will embolden him to be a little more forthright and, as you suggest, perhaps just call out Sunak on his behaviour.
Was that not the strategy that served Nick Clegg so well in 2010? Chiding Cameron and Brown for their constant bickering, and saying something along the lines of viewers wanting to see debate, not squabbling? [Post edited 4 Jun 2024 22:30]
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Thought Starmer could have thrown a bit more back at Sunak, the one time he did over his banker days betting against the pound clearly riled Sunak and he lost the plot.
Bit more covid fines/parties, non dom family, 30 min helicopter trips would have got him going, instead Starmer tried to look above it and statesman like and ended up looking a bit weak. |  |
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| ITV Debate on 22:53 - Jun 4 with 1415 views | mutters |
| ITV Debate on 22:33 - Jun 4 by Clapham_Junction |
Why do people assume things like this? I would never use private healthcare on principle (and have had the opportunity to do so). |
Really? If your mother had to wait 2 years for a hip replacement and was in absolute pain and somebody offered to pay for her to get it done is a week would you still say no? |  |
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| ITV Debate on 22:54 - Jun 4 with 1407 views | ArmaghBlue |
| ITV Debate on 22:53 - Jun 4 by mutters |
Really? If your mother had to wait 2 years for a hip replacement and was in absolute pain and somebody offered to pay for her to get it done is a week would you still say no? |
Of course he wouldn’t say no. |  | | |
| ITV Debate on 22:56 - Jun 4 with 1392 views | portmanking |
| ITV Debate on 22:33 - Jun 4 by Clapham_Junction |
Why do people assume things like this? I would never use private healthcare on principle (and have had the opportunity to do so). |
So you would allow your loved ones to suffer 'on principle'? | | | |
| ITV Debate on 23:10 - Jun 4 with 1335 views | Trequartista |
Thought Starmer improved as it went on, but had a terrible start. Sunak kept asking him the questions and he kept replying with how bad the Tories are instead of what Labour would do. Took him about 5 goes to rebut the £2000 tax accusation, although admittedly the host was too weak and letting Sunak talk over them too much which she corrected later on. [Post edited 4 Jun 2024 23:11]
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| ITV Debate on 23:15 - Jun 4 with 1301 views | Trequartista |
| ITV Debate on 21:45 - Jun 4 by GlasgowBlue |
I'm behind the rest of you but I thought Starmer was very evasive with regards to ending the junior doctors strike. Answer the question FFS.
Sunak is very aggressive which may grate as time goes on but as a natural Tory voter switching to Labour, I'm not impressed with Starmer under pressure so far. |
The format doesn't suit Starmer, he's a lawyer and wants to fully answer questions - there just isn't time. The junior doctors strike you mention is a case in point. He needed to get the short answer out first - "negotiation". But he was beating around the bush too much on more than one occasion. | |
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| ITV Debate on 23:32 - Jun 4 with 1259 views | Bugs |
| ITV Debate on 22:33 - Jun 4 by itfcsuth |
I have very little interest in politics to be honest, but had to watch them two comedy acts have a debate.
Both are as bad as each other, neither are leaders, both are bandits.
Whoever wins, and I couldn’t care less, will be full of corruption, empty promises, lies and scandals. |
I can guarantee you that you are far more interest in politics than you think (unless you're living off grid somewhere). |  | | |
| ITV Debate on 23:33 - Jun 4 with 1240 views | ArmaghBlue |
| ITV Debate on 23:15 - Jun 4 by Trequartista |
The format doesn't suit Starmer, he's a lawyer and wants to fully answer questions - there just isn't time. The junior doctors strike you mention is a case in point. He needed to get the short answer out first - "negotiation". But he was beating around the bush too much on more than one occasion. |
“ wants to fully answer questions”
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| ITV Debate on 23:35 - Jun 4 with 1230 views | mutters |
| ITV Debate on 23:15 - Jun 4 by Trequartista |
The format doesn't suit Starmer, he's a lawyer and wants to fully answer questions - there just isn't time. The junior doctors strike you mention is a case in point. He needed to get the short answer out first - "negotiation". But he was beating around the bush too much on more than one occasion. |
I agree, Starmer didn't look like he was comfortable at any point and wasn't able to provide the snap one liner responses that other politicians seem capable off.
Neither of them did anything to make people want to vote for them imo. | |
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| ITV Debate on 00:01 - Jun 5 with 1192 views | _clive_baker_ |
Car crash of a debate. 45 seconds isn’t long enough to answer anything properly, just soundbites and bobbins from 2 complete clowns. |  | | |
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