| williams 13:34 - Jun 5 with 4927 views | FrimleyBlue |
Just saw twtd news story... Just checking before I write what I think about the release...
what are we allowed to say about his situation? |  |
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| williams on 13:35 - Jun 5 with 4132 views | homer_123 |
He's been released by Man Utd.
I'd leave it there fella. |  |
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| williams on 13:36 - Jun 5 with 4112 views | WeWereZombies |
That he is available on a free transfer but has not been released (yet) ? |  |
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| williams on 13:41 - Jun 5 with 4027 views | farkenhell |
| williams on 13:36 - Jun 5 by WeWereZombies |
That he is available on a free transfer but has not been released (yet) ? |
Reported on the BBC website that he's been released.
Edit: just read Phil's news story. Didn't realise that Williams made as many as 51 first team appearances for Manure. Really hope he can resurrect his career. [Post edited 5 Jun 13:49]
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| williams on 13:57 - Jun 5 with 3855 views | WeWereZombies |
| williams on 13:41 - Jun 5 by farkenhell |
Reported on the BBC website that he's been released.
Edit: just read Phil's news story. Didn't realise that Williams made as many as 51 first team appearances for Manure. Really hope he can resurrect his career. [Post edited 5 Jun 13:49]
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PinewoodBlue posted this link on the 'Retained Premier League players' thread:
https://www.premierleague.com/news/4030596
Williams still on United's books for a few weeks apparently so, theoretically, available on a free transfer. But I'm sure they would release him to us if we asked nicely...or asked at all...which we may not do... | |
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| williams on 13:57 - Jun 5 with 3854 views | OldFart71 |
Obviously he's had injury problems plus a few others beside. Our squad has since McKenna and Ashton came in been pretty pretty sensible since where it appears we don't have players more interested in outside activities or throwing money away on three legged horses. Even if Williams were free and we know he's a decent footballer would we want him ? I don't know whether to feel sorry for some of these young men who have the world at their feet earning more than many and basically balls it up or to feel disdain for them. | | | |
| williams on 14:04 - Jun 5 with 3773 views | farkenhell |
| williams on 13:57 - Jun 5 by WeWereZombies |
PinewoodBlue posted this link on the 'Retained Premier League players' thread:
https://www.premierleague.com/news/4030596
Williams still on United's books for a few weeks apparently so, theoretically, available on a free transfer. But I'm sure they would release him to us if we asked nicely...or asked at all...which we may not do... |
Ah yes, 30 June apparently. That'll teach me to read more carefully! | | | |
| williams on 14:05 - Jun 5 with 3762 views | tetchris |
No way we can pay him the reported £65K a week he is on at Man Utd. Furthermore he has been in court for driving offences on different occasions and my understanding he has 30 points on his driving licence. If you look back at the history of ITFC, when players have been in trouble with the police for driving offences, they have found themselves out in the cold playing for reserves or being sent out on loan or sold. Although a talented young footballer, clearly his off field behaviour is of concern to any future employers | | | |
| williams on 14:10 - Jun 5 with 3692 views | JakeITFC |
| williams on 13:57 - Jun 5 by OldFart71 |
Obviously he's had injury problems plus a few others beside. Our squad has since McKenna and Ashton came in been pretty pretty sensible since where it appears we don't have players more interested in outside activities or throwing money away on three legged horses. Even if Williams were free and we know he's a decent footballer would we want him ? I don't know whether to feel sorry for some of these young men who have the world at their feet earning more than many and basically balls it up or to feel disdain for them. |
An assumption, but I would be surprised that to McKenna trust (of both him and the group) is a very important factor and that it may be difficult to reintegrate somebody once that has been broken. It is of course possible that this isn't the case with Ipswich (and that the alleged off-field stuff was before his time with us, but I'm not sure that is true) but I think it was telling that McKenna didn't really make a ton of effort with updates etc. by the end.
Parallels with the Alex Hales England cricket stuff under Eoin Morgan, in my mind. |  | | |
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| williams on 14:15 - Jun 5 with 3640 views | Pencilpete |
| williams on 14:10 - Jun 5 by JakeITFC |
An assumption, but I would be surprised that to McKenna trust (of both him and the group) is a very important factor and that it may be difficult to reintegrate somebody once that has been broken. It is of course possible that this isn't the case with Ipswich (and that the alleged off-field stuff was before his time with us, but I'm not sure that is true) but I think it was telling that McKenna didn't really make a ton of effort with updates etc. by the end.
Parallels with the Alex Hales England cricket stuff under Eoin Morgan, in my mind. |
Theres no doubting his ability but he comes with way too much baggage
The only way id entertain signing him is a 12 month deal, with an option to extend but also loaded with get out clauses allowing us to terminate his contract immediately if he doesn't knuckle down and work on his career | | | |
| williams on 14:18 - Jun 5 with 3600 views | tractorboy1978 |
| williams on 14:10 - Jun 5 by JakeITFC |
An assumption, but I would be surprised that to McKenna trust (of both him and the group) is a very important factor and that it may be difficult to reintegrate somebody once that has been broken. It is of course possible that this isn't the case with Ipswich (and that the alleged off-field stuff was before his time with us, but I'm not sure that is true) but I think it was telling that McKenna didn't really make a ton of effort with updates etc. by the end.
Parallels with the Alex Hales England cricket stuff under Eoin Morgan, in my mind. |
Ultimately I guess the question is, do we want to go into next season relying on him as one of our two recognised RBs or LBs? Full back has really become a pretty specialised position and in a 25 man squad, you have to be pretty smart and can't carry a player there. Whatever happened really stitched us up last season and we are fortunate Clarke played through pain most players wouldn't/Axel got himself match fit and kept fit for the run in. | | | |
| williams on 14:23 - Jun 5 with 3511 views | One_Bobby_Petta |
I thought he was excellent for us in the Autumn, if he can recapture that form and stay “injury free” its a no brainier
Im sure there’s more to all this than meets the eye | | | |
| williams on 14:33 - Jun 5 with 3401 views | baxterbasics |
I think the only thing to say is...
Sign
Him
Up
(on a cheap/pay-per-play deal, if he wants it) |  |
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| williams on 14:37 - Jun 5 with 3363 views | TheMover |
| williams on 14:15 - Jun 5 by Pencilpete |
Theres no doubting his ability but he comes with way too much baggage
The only way id entertain signing him is a 12 month deal, with an option to extend but also loaded with get out clauses allowing us to terminate his contract immediately if he doesn't knuckle down and work on his career |
The only problem with taking him on a short or rolling contract is the space he takes up in the squad. If he deviates from the conditions we can't just bring someone else in. | | | |
| williams on 14:47 - Jun 5 with 3253 views | HighgateBlue |
Absolutely anything that's true. |  | | |
| williams on 14:53 - Jun 5 with 3200 views | RegencyBlue |
| williams on 14:05 - Jun 5 by tetchris |
No way we can pay him the reported £65K a week he is on at Man Utd. Furthermore he has been in court for driving offences on different occasions and my understanding he has 30 points on his driving licence. If you look back at the history of ITFC, when players have been in trouble with the police for driving offences, they have found themselves out in the cold playing for reserves or being sent out on loan or sold. Although a talented young footballer, clearly his off field behaviour is of concern to any future employers |
If he wants any further career in top flight football he is going to have to change his ways and he also isn’t going to be able to command a salary of £65k a week, in the short term at least.
KM knows him and what he can do so if we did take a chance on him, no idea if we would or not, then I’d be happy to trust KMs judgement on it. |  | | |
| Every summer this happens... on 14:55 - Jun 5 with 3168 views | ScottCandage |
| williams on 14:05 - Jun 5 by tetchris |
No way we can pay him the reported £65K a week he is on at Man Utd. Furthermore he has been in court for driving offences on different occasions and my understanding he has 30 points on his driving licence. If you look back at the history of ITFC, when players have been in trouble with the police for driving offences, they have found themselves out in the cold playing for reserves or being sent out on loan or sold. Although a talented young footballer, clearly his off field behaviour is of concern to any future employers |
Brandon Williams is not on 65K at ManU. He WAS on 65K at ManU. He IS on ZERO and has NO CLUB. |  | | |
| williams on 14:55 - Jun 5 with 3159 views | Radlett_blue |
| williams on 14:05 - Jun 5 by tetchris |
No way we can pay him the reported £65K a week he is on at Man Utd. Furthermore he has been in court for driving offences on different occasions and my understanding he has 30 points on his driving licence. If you look back at the history of ITFC, when players have been in trouble with the police for driving offences, they have found themselves out in the cold playing for reserves or being sent out on loan or sold. Although a talented young footballer, clearly his off field behaviour is of concern to any future employers |
Now Williams has been released, no-one is paying him £65k a week and I doubt anyone will. He clearly has ability & would be an interesting signing if he has sorted himself out. Someone will take a chance on him, but not with a large contract if they have any sense. |  |
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| williams on 14:57 - Jun 5 with 3124 views | Wakh |
| williams on 14:05 - Jun 5 by tetchris |
No way we can pay him the reported £65K a week he is on at Man Utd. Furthermore he has been in court for driving offences on different occasions and my understanding he has 30 points on his driving licence. If you look back at the history of ITFC, when players have been in trouble with the police for driving offences, they have found themselves out in the cold playing for reserves or being sent out on loan or sold. Although a talented young footballer, clearly his off field behaviour is of concern to any future employers |
I don’t get the ‘what he’s on now argument’ from the 1st ok July he is on nothing. | | | |
| williams on 15:04 - Jun 5 with 3044 views | NorthLondonBlue2 |
On paper alone, he's a very capable footballer, who essentially advertised himself to us in his most recent statement and can be signed for nothing.
We don't know and mustn't speculate about anything off-the-field, but we do know that the club and McKenna can be trusted to do the right thing, for the right reasons. There is no question he played very well while he was here and would have been first choice for as long as he stayed fit. The rest is for others to decide | | | |
| williams on 15:35 - Jun 5 with 2797 views | GlasgowBlue |
| williams on 14:05 - Jun 5 by tetchris |
No way we can pay him the reported £65K a week he is on at Man Utd. Furthermore he has been in court for driving offences on different occasions and my understanding he has 30 points on his driving licence. If you look back at the history of ITFC, when players have been in trouble with the police for driving offences, they have found themselves out in the cold playing for reserves or being sent out on loan or sold. Although a talented young footballer, clearly his off field behaviour is of concern to any future employers |
Gary Croft went onto have two good seasons with us after being arrested and convicted for driving offences. So not all have been frozen out. |  |
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| williams on 15:57 - Jun 5 with 2534 views | Pinewoodblue |
| williams on 15:35 - Jun 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Gary Croft went onto have two good seasons with us after being arrested and convicted for driving offences. So not all have been frozen out. |
could name a few others but won't. |  |
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| williams on 16:04 - Jun 5 with 2455 views | Europablue |
| williams on 14:10 - Jun 5 by JakeITFC |
An assumption, but I would be surprised that to McKenna trust (of both him and the group) is a very important factor and that it may be difficult to reintegrate somebody once that has been broken. It is of course possible that this isn't the case with Ipswich (and that the alleged off-field stuff was before his time with us, but I'm not sure that is true) but I think it was telling that McKenna didn't really make a ton of effort with updates etc. by the end.
Parallels with the Alex Hales England cricket stuff under Eoin Morgan, in my mind. |
The reason KM didn't make a lot of updates were because the situation was not clear. His loan wasn't cancelled, surely we would have been allowed to do that if we wanted to cut ties with him.
I'd say it's a possibility that he joins us. I hope he does and that he's learnt a big lesson. | | | |
| williams on 16:27 - Jun 5 with 2259 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| williams on 14:18 - Jun 5 by tractorboy1978 |
Ultimately I guess the question is, do we want to go into next season relying on him as one of our two recognised RBs or LBs? Full back has really become a pretty specialised position and in a 25 man squad, you have to be pretty smart and can't carry a player there. Whatever happened really stitched us up last season and we are fortunate Clarke played through pain most players wouldn't/Axel got himself match fit and kept fit for the run in. |
Gareth Southgate doesn't seem to concur with the need for fit specialists in the FB positions... | | | |
| williams on 16:48 - Jun 5 with 2166 views | Battersea_Blue |
Kieran obviously rates him, otherwise he wouldn’t have brought him here in the first place.
On the pitch, overall, he definitely impressed. 15 appearances, 2 goals, one of which was outstanding and epitomises how we play.
Great tackler, though in those 15 appearances he got 5 yellow cards. I’m sure like everyone we love to see players with an ITFC shirt on committed to the cause. Crunching tackles shows commitment, the only worry is if he gets one wrong or mistimes it by a split second, that attempted crunching tackle turns into a red card. Undoubtedly that will happen with his style of play at some point.
Perhaps that’s something KM can fix, or at least minimise.
Although KM obviously rates him as a player, I do wonder what he was like with the community side and whether he willingly participated and represented the club well, if indeed he did visit hospitals, schools and general community visits? Can’t recall seeing any publicity on that.
While community interaction is an important aspect of how our beloved club operates, so is general off the pitch activity, which is obviously where Brandon has let himself down. Unfortunately this element is not just in the past, as he has a court date coming up in March 2025 . .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clm382m9zmno.amp
That could well be the overriding factor for ITFC. Everybody makes mistakes and if it was all history and in the past there’s a case for wiping the slate clean and giving him a fresh start.
I would have loved to sign him permanently now he’s a free agent, from a playing point of view. I think he has a unique talent and would improve us as a team/squad.
But who knows what the outcome will be in March and whether there’s anything else pending? Plus whether that will impact him mentally, affecting his performance on the pitch?
Overall a MA/KM decision, which has contrasting aspects. | | | |
| williams on 16:51 - Jun 5 with 2139 views | Radlett_blue |
| williams on 16:48 - Jun 5 by Battersea_Blue |
Kieran obviously rates him, otherwise he wouldn’t have brought him here in the first place.
On the pitch, overall, he definitely impressed. 15 appearances, 2 goals, one of which was outstanding and epitomises how we play.
Great tackler, though in those 15 appearances he got 5 yellow cards. I’m sure like everyone we love to see players with an ITFC shirt on committed to the cause. Crunching tackles shows commitment, the only worry is if he gets one wrong or mistimes it by a split second, that attempted crunching tackle turns into a red card. Undoubtedly that will happen with his style of play at some point.
Perhaps that’s something KM can fix, or at least minimise.
Although KM obviously rates him as a player, I do wonder what he was like with the community side and whether he willingly participated and represented the club well, if indeed he did visit hospitals, schools and general community visits? Can’t recall seeing any publicity on that.
While community interaction is an important aspect of how our beloved club operates, so is general off the pitch activity, which is obviously where Brandon has let himself down. Unfortunately this element is not just in the past, as he has a court date coming up in March 2025 . .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clm382m9zmno.amp
That could well be the overriding factor for ITFC. Everybody makes mistakes and if it was all history and in the past there’s a case for wiping the slate clean and giving him a fresh start.
I would have loved to sign him permanently now he’s a free agent, from a playing point of view. I think he has a unique talent and would improve us as a team/squad.
But who knows what the outcome will be in March and whether there’s anything else pending? Plus whether that will impact him mentally, affecting his performance on the pitch?
Overall a MA/KM decision, which has contrasting aspects. |
Again, sticking to the "no dickheads" rule might be trickier now that Town will be shopping in a different end of the market. | |
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