| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way 10:24 - Jul 9 with 10155 views | itfcsuth |
Games gone mad.
I’m not saying they aren’t bad players by the way, but for £20m a piece, Hull have done us like a kipper financially.
As a newly promoted club, you can’t get £20m signings wrong, and to be paying £20m a pop for Philogene & Greaves looks overpriced to me.
Rodon went for £10m last week. |  | | |  |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:26 - Jul 9 with 6563 views | MidlandBlue25 |
Prices are inflated but we are targeting young players who have large potential sell on value in the future |  | | |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:28 - Jul 9 with 6505 views | FrimleyBlue |
Roden didn't go for 10 mill last week
He went as part of the deal for Gray.
If he was sold separately it would have been 15 to 20 easily. |  |
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| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:32 - Jul 9 with 6444 views | itfcsuth |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:28 - Jul 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Roden didn't go for 10 mill last week
He went as part of the deal for Gray.
If he was sold separately it would have been 15 to 20 easily. |
That doesn’t make sense in any way. If Tottenham value him at £15m, £20m they would have sold him for that to soften Gray fee outgoing.
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| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:40 - Jul 9 with 6305 views | Blooos |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:28 - Jul 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Roden didn't go for 10 mill last week
He went as part of the deal for Gray.
If he was sold separately it would have been 15 to 20 easily. |
Rodon had 1 year left on his deal, so would not be £15-20m. | | | |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:48 - Jul 9 with 6176 views | itfcsuth |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:26 - Jul 9 by MidlandBlue25 |
Prices are inflated but we are targeting young players who have large potential sell on value in the future |
Young English talent come with a ridiculous added ‘tax’, has done for years.
Have to be careful to not spend too big on too many future talents, it could lead to damage both financially and tactically - need to add a dose of PL proven quality and experience, on shrewd business, Ben Johnson is a brilliant example and a really smart piece of business.
Have to think about have stability and sustainability. | | | |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:49 - Jul 9 with 6143 views | MidlandBlue25 |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:48 - Jul 9 by itfcsuth |
Young English talent come with a ridiculous added ‘tax’, has done for years.
Have to be careful to not spend too big on too many future talents, it could lead to damage both financially and tactically - need to add a dose of PL proven quality and experience, on shrewd business, Ben Johnson is a brilliant example and a really smart piece of business.
Have to think about have stability and sustainability. |
Realistically all we'd need is Hutchinson to score over 12 goals next season, or Greaves to have a good season and we'd have a £70m+ player | | | |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:53 - Jul 9 with 6035 views | FrimleyBlue |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:40 - Jul 9 by Blooos |
Rodon had 1 year left on his deal, so would not be £15-20m. |
15 I think it would have been personally. | |
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| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:56 - Jul 9 with 6010 views | Skip_Intro |
have you seen the price of Freddos lately...the price of Brexit innit etc etc |  | | |
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| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:06 - Jul 9 with 5909 views | Trequartista |
They've accepted £16m from Everton so looks like we've overbid? I don't really understand it nowadays.
Edit - aha the £16m bid is not true (see plot twist post). That makes sense now. We should have known it wasn't true, because we are not going to bid £20m if they were willing to accept £16m [Post edited 9 Jul 2024 11:09]
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| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:10 - Jul 9 with 5887 views | itfcsuth |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 10:49 - Jul 9 by MidlandBlue25 |
Realistically all we'd need is Hutchinson to score over 12 goals next season, or Greaves to have a good season and we'd have a £70m+ player |
It’s a gamble that could go the other way as well - at this sort of price is if the gamble goes wrong -it could be financially dreadful!
My concern is buying too many of young talents and asking them all to step up to the PL with no PL experience and rely on them to keep us up is a big ask - Hutchinson was a no brainer, £18m maybe a touch steep, but no problem, that one makes sense to me, top talent and we’ve seen him work here, but do think we need to add some shrewd smart signings with PL experience to compliment the group.
Adam Webster, Aaron Cresswell, Ben Johnson, Brereton Diaz, G.Hamer would all be welcome additions for me - and would bring them all in for £40m. | | | |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:22 - Jul 9 with 5794 views | itfcjoe |
You seem to think every PL fee is inflated, it's just the price here |  |
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| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:26 - Jul 9 with 5734 views | RobTheMonk |
We're now in the realms of expensive players. Like it or not, young players with high potential cost a shedload these days. The educated gamble being that we develop them, which Mckenna has a track record of doing, and either sell them on for a bigger fee or keep them if we do well. |  | | |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:27 - Jul 9 with 5724 views | textbackup |
We are buying very good young talent. It’s the price you pay.
Also, if we go down, we could likely hold onto them and have a bloody good crack at coming back up again with proven top championship players |  |
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| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:31 - Jul 9 with 5667 views | pointofblue |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:06 - Jul 9 by Trequartista |
They've accepted £16m from Everton so looks like we've overbid? I don't really understand it nowadays.
Edit - aha the £16m bid is not true (see plot twist post). That makes sense now. We should have known it wasn't true, because we are not going to bid £20m if they were willing to accept £16m [Post edited 9 Jul 2024 11:09]
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Someone else mentioned it but the double deal could be drawn up in Hull's favour, as they have a sell on fee for Philogene. Say they rate both at £20m - they could ask us to pay £10m for Philogene and £30m for Greaves. We pay the same but they get to keep more of the money in return. | |
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| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:33 - Jul 9 with 5648 views | BlueMoon |
Game has gone mad. Trouble is for us breaking what is new ground, it's also hugely exciting isn't it! This was my one big hope with McKenna signing a new contract - without him staying the chance of a decent transfer window would have been hugely at risk.
Only worry is that hopefully we're not overcommitting ourselves with regards to FFP for a season or two down the road.
Don't think we have much option to spend a bit however. We're facing a league where the 3 promoted teams from last season have gone down combined with clubs with recent Prem budgets & squads coming up with us. | | | |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:33 - Jul 9 with 5651 views | Trequartista |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:31 - Jul 9 by pointofblue |
Someone else mentioned it but the double deal could be drawn up in Hull's favour, as they have a sell on fee for Philogene. Say they rate both at £20m - they could ask us to pay £10m for Philogene and £30m for Greaves. We pay the same but they get to keep more of the money in return. |
Good point. I was just now wondering why it had to be a double deal i.e. why can't we go ahead and sign Greaves instead of having to wait for Philogene. | |
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| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:37 - Jul 9 with 5589 views | Zx1988 |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:31 - Jul 9 by pointofblue |
Someone else mentioned it but the double deal could be drawn up in Hull's favour, as they have a sell on fee for Philogene. Say they rate both at £20m - they could ask us to pay £10m for Philogene and £30m for Greaves. We pay the same but they get to keep more of the money in return. |
In which case, would a rumour (albeit disproven) that they'd accepted £16m from Everton for JP help lend credence to their under-valuation when discussing the sell-on with Villa? | |
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| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:45 - Jul 9 with 5530 views | itfcsuth |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:22 - Jul 9 by itfcjoe |
You seem to think every PL fee is inflated, it's just the price here |
That’s because they are.
Bubble of English football is crazy financially.
Archie Gray, Elliot Anderson both going for £40m, Lewis Hall for £30m. | | | |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:48 - Jul 9 with 5496 views | BseaBlue |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:27 - Jul 9 by textbackup |
We are buying very good young talent. It’s the price you pay.
Also, if we go down, we could likely hold onto them and have a bloody good crack at coming back up again with proven top championship players |
This is a great point and important thing to remember. Worst case scenario is that we have some excellent players that will aid another promotion push should we get relegated.
If we dont hold onto them, it means we should be on the receiving end of some decent fees which will no doubt then fund said promotion charge.
Hopefully that doesnt happen, but it certainly seems like smart business to me. |  | | |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:50 - Jul 9 with 5450 views | NthQldITFC |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:45 - Jul 9 by itfcsuth |
That’s because they are.
Bubble of English football is crazy financially.
Archie Gray, Elliot Anderson both going for £40m, Lewis Hall for £30m. |
...and Lewis Hall is single storey! Just a bloody bungalow in comparison with Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall. What the hell! |  |
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| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:53 - Jul 9 with 5401 views | itfcsuth |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:27 - Jul 9 by textbackup |
We are buying very good young talent. It’s the price you pay.
Also, if we go down, we could likely hold onto them and have a bloody good crack at coming back up again with proven top championship players |
It’s the price paid in this country, but that’s the bubble of English football.
I don’t like it personally, and I watch a lot of the European leagues and there is nothing quite like the finances in England.
It is the price for young English talent, it’s always inflated. | | | |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:57 - Jul 9 with 5348 views | gordon |
TBH think it's ok value.
In my opinion the really poor value is going to be in Gnonto, Summerville and Rutter if they leave Leeds - could see e.g. a club like Newcastle, West Ham, Tottenham or Chelsea buying any of them for £40million, giving them a few games, then realising they aren't quite the finished article, confidence dropping, out on loan in January etc. |  | | |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:57 - Jul 9 with 5338 views | burnbudgiesburn |
I don't think £15-20m is anything but market price for a young talented English player these days.
It's interesting though that we've gone down the route of wanting English or British based players for our targets rather than doing a Brighton and looking overseas for better value. | | | |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 14:43 - Jul 9 with 5018 views | itfcsuth |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:57 - Jul 9 by burnbudgiesburn |
I don't think £15-20m is anything but market price for a young talented English player these days.
It's interesting though that we've gone down the route of wanting English or British based players for our targets rather than doing a Brighton and looking overseas for better value. |
I think that’s half the problem, if you look at comps on the continent for similar fees there are players moving who are a level above what we are looking at for similar fees or smaller fees then you’d say we are overpaying - Charles De Ketelaere or Aleix Garica examples.
I will make it very clear though, I think both Greaves or Philogene are both really good players, it’s the transfer fee more the issue. | | | |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 16:28 - Jul 9 with 4811 views | Leaky |
| £40m for Philogene and Greaves is scandalous by the way on 11:33 - Jul 9 by Trequartista |
Good point. I was just now wondering why it had to be a double deal i.e. why can't we go ahead and sign Greaves instead of having to wait for Philogene. |
Its so Hull can manipulate FFp rules |  | | |
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