| Philogene update... 10:29 - Jul 10 with 20660 views | ITFCBlues |
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| Philogene update... on 12:05 - Jul 10 with 3109 views | WeirdFishes |
| Philogene update... on 11:59 - Jul 10 by SmithersJones |
For any sale, the amortised cost of the player is immediately counted as a cost at the point of sale and is no longer spread over the length of the contract. So buying him then selling him straight away has no benefit to Villa unless they sell him for more. |
That’s what I’m saying, the sale from Villa to Ipswich wouldn’t be amortised in Villa’s books but their purchase from Hull would be. |  |
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| Philogene update... on 12:06 - Jul 10 with 3107 views | farkenhell |
| Philogene update... on 12:00 - Jul 10 by SmithersJones |
See my previous post - no benefit to Villa in doing this. |
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| Philogene update... on 12:12 - Jul 10 with 2995 views | farkenhell |
| Philogene update... on 12:05 - Jul 10 by WeirdFishes |
That’s what I’m saying, the sale from Villa to Ipswich wouldn’t be amortised in Villa’s books but their purchase from Hull would be. |
I think the point is that you can only amortise a purchase price whilst the player is on your books. If you subsequently sell that player, the amortisation stops (and the balance of the purchase price is brought into that year's accounts for PSR purposes). Also, if the purchase and sale prices are equal and in the same accounting year, then the effect on PSR in nil. That's what I understand from Smithers' reply anyway. | | | |
| Philogene update... on 12:15 - Jul 10 with 2949 views | Horsham |
| Philogene update... on 11:58 - Jul 10 by farkenhell |
Could you clarify something for this ignoramus? If Villa were to buy him from Hull for £18 million (on a 5-year contract) and immediately sell him to us for the same price, would Villa be able to amortise the purchase price over 5 years (so that only 20% is counted in the current year's accounts for PSR purposes) or would the subsequent sale to us scupper this for them (ie - both sale and purchase would counter-balance each other in the same year's accounts)? |
The question you have to ask is how this scenario helps Mr Philogene because ultimately he’s not obligated to accept Villa’s offer. Suspect there’s some wrigmerole in the apportionment of the fees for Greaves and Philogene that’s made Ipswich Hull’s preferred bidder and disadvantages Villa and Villa are keen to put a spanner in those works. Either way Philogene and his crazy agent aren’t obligated to sign for anyone so…if wants to come then he will. |  | | |
| Philogene update... on 12:20 - Jul 10 with 2836 views | PositivelyPortman |
He’d better be a real catch if we land him after all this p!ss!ng around.  |  |
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| Philogene update... on 12:24 - Jul 10 with 2734 views | farkenhell |
| Philogene update... on 12:15 - Jul 10 by Horsham |
The question you have to ask is how this scenario helps Mr Philogene because ultimately he’s not obligated to accept Villa’s offer. Suspect there’s some wrigmerole in the apportionment of the fees for Greaves and Philogene that’s made Ipswich Hull’s preferred bidder and disadvantages Villa and Villa are keen to put a spanner in those works. Either way Philogene and his crazy agent aren’t obligated to sign for anyone so…if wants to come then he will. |
That's what I first thought, however if you look at the figures, the potential loss to Villa is relatively insignificant. For a 20% sell-on, each £1 million is worth £200K. So if, for example, Philogene's price is increased from £18 million to £20 million, Villa would gain an additional £400K only. That's peanuts in the grand scheme of things. | | | |
| Philogene update... on 12:27 - Jul 10 with 2663 views | SmithersJones |
| Philogene update... on 12:12 - Jul 10 by farkenhell |
I think the point is that you can only amortise a purchase price whilst the player is on your books. If you subsequently sell that player, the amortisation stops (and the balance of the purchase price is brought into that year's accounts for PSR purposes). Also, if the purchase and sale prices are equal and in the same accounting year, then the effect on PSR in nil. That's what I understand from Smithers' reply anyway. |
Yes, you put it far better than me!
The only benefit I can see in Villa buying then reselling is if they resold at a higher price. I guess there is a scenario whereby Villa say to us “instead of upping your bid to Hull, let him come to us at the lower fee then we’ll sell on to you and we split the difference” but we’re into massive conspiracy theories here. | | | |
| Philogene update... on 12:34 - Jul 10 with 2542 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Latest from Villas end, seems they are very interested.
End of the day, will still come down to game time and players choice.
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| Philogene update... on 12:49 - Jul 10 with 2226 views | CastroSito |
Talk i'm hearing now from Villa is that, as part of the matching offer clause when they sold him, terms with the player were already agreed in advance. Which seems odd, but would effectively mean as long as they matched the fee, he's their player again as the contact is in place.
all sounds very strange | | | |
| Philogene update... on 12:52 - Jul 10 with 2138 views | hype313 |
| Philogene update... on 12:49 - Jul 10 by CastroSito |
Talk i'm hearing now from Villa is that, as part of the matching offer clause when they sold him, terms with the player were already agreed in advance. Which seems odd, but would effectively mean as long as they matched the fee, he's their player again as the contact is in place.
all sounds very strange |
At what point to Mck and Ashton say fk this, and move on to other targets? |  |
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| Philogene update... on 12:55 - Jul 10 with 2072 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Philogene update... on 12:52 - Jul 10 by hype313 |
At what point to Mck and Ashton say fk this, and move on to other targets? |
Probably days ago tbh, they'd know if this move was on or not |  |
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| Philogene update... on 12:56 - Jul 10 with 2054 views | nrb1985 |
| Philogene update... on 12:52 - Jul 10 by hype313 |
At what point to Mck and Ashton say fk this, and move on to other targets? |
They will have known this was a possibility and entered into the negotiation regardless.
Can't blame Philogene for wanting to hear all the options before he decides.
Certain fans reaction to this is interesting though. Fine for KM's agent to d1*k us around for 2 weeks, KM was just weighing up all the options...not sure why some of those same people are less tolerant of the player doing the same here? | | | |
| Philogene update... on 12:57 - Jul 10 with 2024 views | tonybied |
| Philogene update... on 12:52 - Jul 10 by hype313 |
At what point to Mck and Ashton say fk this, and move on to other targets? |
Probably at the point he's joined another club. Sometimes to get players you really shouldn't be able to sign, you have to put in some hard work, it's a good job we're not relying on some of the fans on here to get our signings across the line given how easily some on here want to give up on him and move on to someone else. People need to chill, it's not like with been chasing him all summer with no sign of a chance of getting him! |  | | |
| Philogene update... on 13:00 - Jul 10 with 1947 views | SitfcB |
| Philogene update... on 11:19 - Jul 10 by Parky |
I wonder if Villa can buy him and then sell him straight away so it counts towards their homegrown players sold quota. [Post edited 10 Jul 2024 11:29]
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May be wrong but sure Joe mentioned the other day a player can’t go from a Prem club to another Prem club in the same window. |  |
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| Philogene update... on 13:02 - Jul 10 with 1892 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Philogene update... on 12:49 - Jul 10 by CastroSito |
Talk i'm hearing now from Villa is that, as part of the matching offer clause when they sold him, terms with the player were already agreed in advance. Which seems odd, but would effectively mean as long as they matched the fee, he's their player again as the contact is in place.
all sounds very strange |
He only goes there if he wants to, no player can be forced to join a club against their will. | | | |
| Philogene update... on 13:03 - Jul 10 with 1865 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Philogene update... on 12:34 - Jul 10 by burnbudgiesburn |
Latest from Villas end, seems they are very interested.
End of the day, will still come down to game time and players choice.
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If Emery is "prioritising a move for him" why has he left it till the last minute? |  |
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| Philogene update... on 13:03 - Jul 10 with 1862 views | hype313 |
| Philogene update... on 12:56 - Jul 10 by nrb1985 |
They will have known this was a possibility and entered into the negotiation regardless.
Can't blame Philogene for wanting to hear all the options before he decides.
Certain fans reaction to this is interesting though. Fine for KM's agent to d1*k us around for 2 weeks, KM was just weighing up all the options...not sure why some of those same people are less tolerant of the player doing the same here? |
I don't blame him at all, he's more than entitled to get the best deal for himself and his future, and I know transfers are generally quite time consuming, but this looks like a game of snakes and ladders, and whilst he's entitled to look after number one, we should also do the same. | |
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| Philogene update... on 13:04 - Jul 10 with 1831 views | hype313 |
| Philogene update... on 13:03 - Jul 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
If Emery is "prioritising a move for him" why has he left it till the last minute? |
Very salient point Dollers | |
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| Philogene update... on 13:08 - Jul 10 with 1756 views | BseaBlue |
| Philogene update... on 13:03 - Jul 10 by hype313 |
I don't blame him at all, he's more than entitled to get the best deal for himself and his future, and I know transfers are generally quite time consuming, but this looks like a game of snakes and ladders, and whilst he's entitled to look after number one, we should also do the same. |
I'd imagine there will be offers going in for other targets 'On the list'.
I quite agree though that maybe it is time to call their bluff and say we are moving on. If, as reported the player is keen to come here, maybe he can kick his agent into touch a bit!
To answer the other poster, there will be plenty of players available that we can target. Finding another KM though......highly unlilkely. That is why there is less patience with this situation. [Post edited 10 Jul 2024 13:09]
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| Philogene update... on 13:10 - Jul 10 with 1703 views | Help |
| Philogene update... on 12:34 - Jul 10 by burnbudgiesburn |
Latest from Villas end, seems they are very interested.
End of the day, will still come down to game time and players choice.
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How does the 30% bit work then. Who loses out there villa or Hull |  |
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| Philogene update... on 13:16 - Jul 10 with 1570 views | DanTheMan |
| Philogene update... on 13:10 - Jul 10 by Help |
How does the 30% bit work then. Who loses out there villa or Hull |
Neither really.
If we bought him for £15mil, Villa would get 30% of that (£4.5mil) and Hull the other 70%.
If Villa buys him for £15mil, they get a 30% discount, but Hull still gets the 70%. A bit like Villa are paying themselves a little for the transfer. |  |
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| Philogene update... (n/t) on 13:17 - Jul 10 with 1559 views | Zx1988 |
| Philogene update... (n/t) on 11:31 - Jul 10 by farkenhell |
I wondered whether it was a crude attempt to alter the apportionment between the Greaves and Philogene prices? I.e., if the reported £18 million for Philogene is accurate, leaving £22 million for Greaves, Villa think they're being shafted, so are looking for both transfers to be set at £20 million. But, assuming that the sell-on is 20% (I think that's the reported figure) this would be worth only an additional £400K to Villa - which is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. |
Shenanigans on the agent's part, perhaps? The higher JP's share of the combined fee, the more his payout will be.
A sneaky back-channel word to Villa suggesting that JP would be keen to do a deal with them if they activate their matching clause, in the hope of triggering the bidding war he's clearly been so keen to get going between Town and Barça/Palace/Everton and now Villa.
Any uptick in the sell-on would be relative peanuts to Villa, but massive to him if he stands to lose his cash cow after this move. | |
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| Philogene update... on 13:17 - Jul 10 with 1537 views | farkenhell |
| Philogene update... on 13:10 - Jul 10 by Help |
How does the 30% bit work then. Who loses out there villa or Hull |
Neither lose out. If Hull sell him to us, they pay 30% of what they receive to Villa. If they sell him to Villa, they (Villa) will hold back 30% of what they pay to Hull. | | | |
| Philogene update... on 13:17 - Jul 10 with 1530 views | Leaky |
| Philogene update... on 10:31 - Jul 10 by vilanovablue |
If the matching rights expire tomorrow how does this work? |
I do wonder if this to stop Hull giving Villa an iuntrue transfer fee, if its done along with the Greaves move |  | | |
| Philogene update... on 13:18 - Jul 10 with 1506 views | Horsham |
| Philogene update... on 13:10 - Jul 10 by Help |
How does the 30% bit work then. Who loses out there villa or Hull |
Nobody really loses out. 30% goes to Villa whoever buys him even if Villa buy him.
Edit - done already! [Post edited 10 Jul 2024 13:19]
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