| Donald trump just got shot on the news! 23:21 - Jul 13 with 27118 views | The_Romford_Blue |
I’m not even joking
Edit - he’s alive but bleeding behind his ear! Crazy [Post edited 13 Jul 2024 23:22]
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 10:49 - Jul 14 with 2603 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 09:23 - Jul 14 by Europablue |
You can thank God that the assassination attempt wasn't successful, unless you are actually pushing for a civil war. It is incredible how weak some people's belief in democracy is when there is a candidate that they don't like. People even talk about him being fascist. There is nothing more fascist than using violence to dispose of your enemies. It's a very awkward situation for the Democrats because they have been dehumanizing Trump to such an extent that they irresponsibly left room for political violence. |
Usual nonsense.
Trump's incitement and wall to wall lying does the job for himself [Post edited 14 Jul 2024 10:51]
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 10:55 - Jul 14 with 2579 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 10:15 - Jul 14 by Cheltenham_Blue |
A few of you wringing your hands about posters saying that Trump is undemocratic should wait and see how he uses this to incite violence against the left if I were you. |
Well we know what he’s capable of stirring up after the storming of the Capitol and the deaths there. Simplistically, I just wish he’d go away. Obviously not through assassination attempts that also kill bystanders. Can’t he just decide he’d rather play golf than deal with all this?
It’s looks a mess. Funnily enough, a divisive and aggressive approach leads to division and aggression. They really need some stricter, enforceable public office standards over there. And fewer guns. And especially fewer ideological nutcases with guns. |  |
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 10:56 - Jul 14 with 2564 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 09:32 - Jul 14 by Europablue |
It seems like a lot of people who call Trump the biggest threat to democracy are very concerned about letting democracy run its course. The biggest threat to democracy currently is pushing a narrative that Trump is anti-democratic when he keeps on entering democratic elections. It is irresponsible for people to say that he would never leave office. That kind of talk unfounded talk is fuel for would be assassins. |
Are you for real!
What about the last election when he tried everything possible to subvert democracy? Phone calls to local reps to find more votes.
People like you are enablers | | | |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 10:56 - Jul 14 with 2567 views | Pinewoodblue |
A couple of thoughts/ observations.
Trump has remarkable reflex, he puts his hand up to his ear as first shot is heard.
How remarkable that the bullet/slug didn’t go on and hit someone in the crowd behind him. |  |
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:00 - Jul 14 with 2537 views | EdwardStone |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 10:28 - Jul 14 by Europablue |
Your scenario 2 makes no sense.
We've already had an example of what happens when Trump loses and it's not pretty and it sows division, but it is not a credible threat on democracy.
I'm not even sure of the word to call what happened in the Capitol, because it's certainly not an uprising in a country where it is so easy to get guns, but no-one came to the Capitol with guns. There was only one death and that was a protester who got shot by the Capitol staff. It was definitely at least symbolic trespassing, not the worst crime in comparison to an assassination attempt. My view was that Trump was very careful to not explicitly his supporters to cause trouble, in fact he told them not to use violence and told them to go home. I don't think anyone can argue that he didn't whip up his angry supporters. I'm not convinced that it was a free and fair election, but the key thing was that it was clear from early on that there was no evidence that would stick.
The threat on democracy is more about the general atmosphere. Hillary Clinton still does not believe that Trump won against her. The Democrats fought tooth and nail against Trump and impeached Trump on spurious grounds twice. There was fortification of the 2020 election, whether that is classed as fixing the vote is more a matter of opinion. The people in power are always trying to stack the odds in their favour. Since Biden got in there was a concerted effort to convict Trump of something. They finally managed to get a left-leaning judge to convict Trump on shaky grounds, that will probably be overturned, but the political point scoring served its purpose, but maybe backfired because Trump's appeal is certainly not based on virtue. It was a dangerous precedent to set that you could convict an ex president. I have no doubt that if there was political will behind it, you could convict every previous President of something. The Presidency selects for crooked people.
At least we can agree that an assassination attempt is not justified. We can't preemptively take action based on your opinion that Trump will spark a violent uprising to retake power. You are wandering into pre-crimes there. |
Well, that seems to vary with my impression of the Jan 6th 2021 debacle
It did not appear to me to be "Symbolic Trespassing"... more like a concerted violent attempt to halt the process of declaring Biden as the winner. Many of the rioters were carring tear gas, pepper spray and bear repellant. The ever-so-very gay -sounding "Proud Boys" had stockpiled a huge cache of arms nearby and someone had helpfully brought along a gallows to hang Mike Pence
The Courts have been busy, some of those found guilty of charges have been given prison sentences of more than 20 years.
That doesn't look like "Symbolic Trespass" to me
Trump has already indicated that he will contest the election result if he loses.....we shall have to wait and see what form that may take. But bearing in mind his previous actions I would assume that the security services and Army will be on heightened alert.
The man is a skidmark on the underpants of democracy, an excrable human being who places himself above the Law and offends common decency at every turn. [Post edited 14 Jul 2024 11:02]
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:01 - Jul 14 with 2530 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 10:28 - Jul 14 by Europablue |
Your scenario 2 makes no sense.
We've already had an example of what happens when Trump loses and it's not pretty and it sows division, but it is not a credible threat on democracy.
I'm not even sure of the word to call what happened in the Capitol, because it's certainly not an uprising in a country where it is so easy to get guns, but no-one came to the Capitol with guns. There was only one death and that was a protester who got shot by the Capitol staff. It was definitely at least symbolic trespassing, not the worst crime in comparison to an assassination attempt. My view was that Trump was very careful to not explicitly his supporters to cause trouble, in fact he told them not to use violence and told them to go home. I don't think anyone can argue that he didn't whip up his angry supporters. I'm not convinced that it was a free and fair election, but the key thing was that it was clear from early on that there was no evidence that would stick.
The threat on democracy is more about the general atmosphere. Hillary Clinton still does not believe that Trump won against her. The Democrats fought tooth and nail against Trump and impeached Trump on spurious grounds twice. There was fortification of the 2020 election, whether that is classed as fixing the vote is more a matter of opinion. The people in power are always trying to stack the odds in their favour. Since Biden got in there was a concerted effort to convict Trump of something. They finally managed to get a left-leaning judge to convict Trump on shaky grounds, that will probably be overturned, but the political point scoring served its purpose, but maybe backfired because Trump's appeal is certainly not based on virtue. It was a dangerous precedent to set that you could convict an ex president. I have no doubt that if there was political will behind it, you could convict every previous President of something. The Presidency selects for crooked people.
At least we can agree that an assassination attempt is not justified. We can't preemptively take action based on your opinion that Trump will spark a violent uprising to retake power. You are wandering into pre-crimes there. |
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:05 - Jul 14 with 2495 views | DarkHorse |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 10:56 - Jul 14 by Pinewoodblue |
A couple of thoughts/ observations.
Trump has remarkable reflex, he puts his hand up to his ear as first shot is heard.
How remarkable that the bullet/slug didn’t go on and hit someone in the crowd behind him. |
He got shot in the ear, mate.
And one spectator was killed and at least two were injured. |  | | |
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:13 - Jul 14 with 2418 views | WeWereZombies |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:05 - Jul 14 by DarkHorse |
He got shot in the ear, mate.
And one spectator was killed and at least two were injured. |
But there were two shooting episodes, the first of five popping sounding shots where Trump has an ear injured and the second where the assassin is killed (why do law enforcement so often kill the suspect straight off thereby losing valuable questioning resources ?) and, presumably, where another person was killed and two critically injured. I think Pinewood's questions are relevant, at least until further details emerge. |  |
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:15 - Jul 14 with 2402 views | RadioOrwell |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 10:28 - Jul 14 by Europablue |
Your scenario 2 makes no sense.
We've already had an example of what happens when Trump loses and it's not pretty and it sows division, but it is not a credible threat on democracy.
I'm not even sure of the word to call what happened in the Capitol, because it's certainly not an uprising in a country where it is so easy to get guns, but no-one came to the Capitol with guns. There was only one death and that was a protester who got shot by the Capitol staff. It was definitely at least symbolic trespassing, not the worst crime in comparison to an assassination attempt. My view was that Trump was very careful to not explicitly his supporters to cause trouble, in fact he told them not to use violence and told them to go home. I don't think anyone can argue that he didn't whip up his angry supporters. I'm not convinced that it was a free and fair election, but the key thing was that it was clear from early on that there was no evidence that would stick.
The threat on democracy is more about the general atmosphere. Hillary Clinton still does not believe that Trump won against her. The Democrats fought tooth and nail against Trump and impeached Trump on spurious grounds twice. There was fortification of the 2020 election, whether that is classed as fixing the vote is more a matter of opinion. The people in power are always trying to stack the odds in their favour. Since Biden got in there was a concerted effort to convict Trump of something. They finally managed to get a left-leaning judge to convict Trump on shaky grounds, that will probably be overturned, but the political point scoring served its purpose, but maybe backfired because Trump's appeal is certainly not based on virtue. It was a dangerous precedent to set that you could convict an ex president. I have no doubt that if there was political will behind it, you could convict every previous President of something. The Presidency selects for crooked people.
At least we can agree that an assassination attempt is not justified. We can't preemptively take action based on your opinion that Trump will spark a violent uprising to retake power. You are wandering into pre-crimes there. |
Hilary won the popular vote (IE more individual votes) than Trump.
He got more electoral votes which is why he won.
She never claimed to have 'won'. She conceded and congratulated him within hours.
Trumps impeachment on 'spurious grounds" ? Not really.
Trumps conviction on 'shaky grounds" ? - Not really. |  | | |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:16 - Jul 14 with 2397 views | WeWereZombies |
And very magnanimous of Nancy Pelosi to be one of the politicians who condemned the attack on Trump early on. | |
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:18 - Jul 14 with 2365 views | baxterbasics |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 08:34 - Jul 14 by WickhamsLeftBoot |
Turns out the shooter was a Republican!
Dem’s will still be blamed though! |
He was masquerading as a Republican.
His political donations and actions suggest his heart was elsewhere. |  |
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:22 - Jul 14 with 2314 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:18 - Jul 14 by baxterbasics |
He was masquerading as a Republican.
His political donations and actions suggest his heart was elsewhere. |
BBC News - Trump assassination attempt suspect named by FBI
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd1d31jeyzlo
Registered republican who had also donated to progressive cause.
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:28 - Jul 14 with 2281 views | baxterbasics |
Details coming through suggest that at the very least this was a major security fail by the SS.
A vantage point within 300 yards and they didn't have it covered.
Lots of finger pointing going to happen now. | |
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:29 - Jul 14 with 2264 views | baxterbasics |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 10:56 - Jul 14 by Pinewoodblue |
A couple of thoughts/ observations.
Trump has remarkable reflex, he puts his hand up to his ear as first shot is heard.
How remarkable that the bullet/slug didn’t go on and hit someone in the crowd behind him. |
His hand went to his ear because it was wounded.
People behind him did get hit, one died. | |
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:34 - Jul 14 with 2212 views | JohnTy |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:18 - Jul 14 by baxterbasics |
He was masquerading as a Republican.
His political donations and actions suggest his heart was elsewhere. |
One donation of $15 in 2021. |  | | |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:36 - Jul 14 with 2193 views | iamatractorboy |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:28 - Jul 14 by baxterbasics |
Details coming through suggest that at the very least this was a major security fail by the SS.
A vantage point within 300 yards and they didn't have it covered.
Lots of finger pointing going to happen now. |
I'm sure there will already be conspiracy theories from both sides all over the place. Most likely it's one lone nutcase. |  | | |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:37 - Jul 14 with 2190 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:34 - Jul 14 by JohnTy |
One donation of $15 in 2021. |
A report suggests he was IDd via DNA.
Which presumably suggests he is already on some criminal record system? | | | |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:47 - Jul 14 with 2125 views | WeWereZombies |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:29 - Jul 14 by baxterbasics |
His hand went to his ear because it was wounded.
People behind him did get hit, one died. |
Was the dead suspect someone behind Trump, or in the crowd at the front, or near the assassin ? I have yet to see ant details.
One interesting photo has come up on the New York Times live feed:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/13/us/biden-trump-election
'In documenting the Pennsylvania campaign rally on Saturday afternoon that turned into an attempt on a former president’s life, Doug Mills, a veteran New York Times photographer, appeared to capture the image of a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump’s head.
That is the assessment of Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent who spent 22 years in the bureau.
“It absolutely could be showing the displacement of air due to a projectile,” Mr. Harrigan said in an interview on Saturday night after reviewing the high-resolution images that Mr. Mills filed from the rally. “The angle seems a bit low to have passed through his ear, but not impossible if the gunman fired multiple rounds.”
Simple ballistic math showed that capturing a bullet as Mr. Mills likely did in a photo was possible, Mr. Harrigan said.'
And a video from BBC Verify...which doesn't quite verify: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/crgrj92er1qo [Post edited 14 Jul 2024 11:55]
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:48 - Jul 14 with 2110 views | Buhrer |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 23:56 - Jul 13 by baxterbasics |
That’s his election win sewn up I reckon.
Was prob going that way anyway. |
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:57 - Jul 14 with 2041 views | DinDjarin |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:28 - Jul 14 by baxterbasics |
Details coming through suggest that at the very least this was a major security fail by the SS.
A vantage point within 300 yards and they didn't have it covered.
Lots of finger pointing going to happen now. |
People at the rally saw and reported someone on the roof to the security services prior to the shots being fired |  | | |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 12:05 - Jul 14 with 1987 views | GlasgowBlue |
Trump is a vile, racist, appalling human being who shouldn't be anywhere near the levers of power.
People who are scoring points from this incident or parroting false flag conspiracies with the knowledge that an innocent person has lost their life is a classless prick.
The two views I have posted are not mutually exclusive. |  |
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 12:07 - Jul 14 with 1958 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 10:38 - Jul 14 by iamatractorboy |
Trump tried to get people to 'find votes'. Don't forget that one. It wasn't all about what happened at the Capitol.
Also I assume Ewan was talking about a certain Mr Putin and was being a bit sarcy. |
Ooh, good point, it wasn't actually him I was thinking of, but that is another good example! |  |
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 12:13 - Jul 14 with 1923 views | Charlie_pl_baxter |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 09:32 - Jul 14 by Europablue |
It seems like a lot of people who call Trump the biggest threat to democracy are very concerned about letting democracy run its course. The biggest threat to democracy currently is pushing a narrative that Trump is anti-democratic when he keeps on entering democratic elections. It is irresponsible for people to say that he would never leave office. That kind of talk unfounded talk is fuel for would be assassins. |
Problem with this argument is most dictators that have taken over a democratic state (from Caesar to Hitler) have done so by getting voted in. Usually through populist rhetoric that exploits a gap created by the failure of the existing state to meet people's needs. Frequently assisted by the hubris of existing leaders (see Cameron and Brexit).
The question is how to prevent someone who is prepared to use undemocratic means from gaining power without resorting to such means. I would argue that any attempt to circumvent such means is more likely to accelerate a collapse into autocracy. After all Caesar was never Emperor but his successors found it easy to assume the role in the chaos left by his assassination.
Personally I believe that Trump wants to assume some form of autocratic rule. Evidence for this being his stuffing of the supreme court, refusal to accept the result of a democratic election, attempts to gerrymander certain states etc. However trying to kill him will only strengthen his position and make it easier for him to adopt antidemocratic practices once in office.
Those suggesting some kind of false flag operation need to also consider how they'd respond had this situation been reversed and the Trump team were suggesting something similar. |  |
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| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 12:13 - Jul 14 with 1928 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Donald trump just got shot on the news! on 11:47 - Jul 14 by WeWereZombies |
Was the dead suspect someone behind Trump, or in the crowd at the front, or near the assassin ? I have yet to see ant details.
One interesting photo has come up on the New York Times live feed:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/13/us/biden-trump-election
'In documenting the Pennsylvania campaign rally on Saturday afternoon that turned into an attempt on a former president’s life, Doug Mills, a veteran New York Times photographer, appeared to capture the image of a bullet streaking past former President Donald J. Trump’s head.
That is the assessment of Michael Harrigan, a retired F.B.I. special agent who spent 22 years in the bureau.
“It absolutely could be showing the displacement of air due to a projectile,” Mr. Harrigan said in an interview on Saturday night after reviewing the high-resolution images that Mr. Mills filed from the rally. “The angle seems a bit low to have passed through his ear, but not impossible if the gunman fired multiple rounds.”
Simple ballistic math showed that capturing a bullet as Mr. Mills likely did in a photo was possible, Mr. Harrigan said.'
And a video from BBC Verify...which doesn't quite verify: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/crgrj92er1qo [Post edited 14 Jul 2024 11:55]
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Washington Post provide a diagram. The shooter was on roof to Trumps right , distance given as 500ft. | |
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