| Olympic boxing controversy 12:28 - Aug 1 with 27904 views | SitfcB |
Didn’t end well.
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| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 12:34 - Aug 1 with 12581 views | DanTheMan |
What criteria are you going on to say that the other one is male? |  |
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| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 12:37 - Aug 1 with 12554 views | textbackup |
Absolute freak world we live in.
So wrong on so many levels. |  |
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| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:38 - Aug 1 with 12533 views | Keno |
| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 12:34 - Aug 1 by DanTheMan |
What criteria are you going on to say that the other one is male? |
I've edited the op title [Post edited 1 Aug 2024 12:39]
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| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:42 - Aug 1 with 12466 views | DanTheMan |
| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:38 - Aug 1 by Keno |
I've edited the op title [Post edited 1 Aug 2024 12:39]
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Other than people guessing this person is trans, is there any actual evidence?
The fact that tests from different organisations have come to different conclusions would suggest to me they may be intersex like Caster Semenya but that's a complete guess. | |
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| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:44 - Aug 1 with 12416 views | Portmanteauxcurling |
| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:42 - Aug 1 by DanTheMan |
Other than people guessing this person is trans, is there any actual evidence?
The fact that tests from different organisations have come to different conclusions would suggest to me they may be intersex like Caster Semenya but that's a complete guess. |
They could always have a look inside their boxers.
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| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:46 - Aug 1 with 12386 views | Reus30 |
| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:42 - Aug 1 by DanTheMan |
Other than people guessing this person is trans, is there any actual evidence?
The fact that tests from different organisations have come to different conclusions would suggest to me they may be intersex like Caster Semenya but that's a complete guess. |
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
Fights like a man, sounds like a man, it's a man. |  | | |
| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 12:47 - Aug 1 with 12366 views | Bobbychase |
Watched the whole fight. Whatever your views on the issues in the background, to see her in tears at the end was awful. A clear mismatch |  |
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| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:50 - Aug 1 with 12261 views | DanTheMan |
| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:46 - Aug 1 by Reus30 |
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
Fights like a man, sounds like a man, it's a man. |
That's not really how biology works, hence mentioning intersex people. | |
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| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:56 - Aug 1 with 12156 views | LankHenners |
| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:42 - Aug 1 by DanTheMan |
Other than people guessing this person is trans, is there any actual evidence?
The fact that tests from different organisations have come to different conclusions would suggest to me they may be intersex like Caster Semenya but that's a complete guess. |
From what information's out there it seems that's likely the case. She and the other boxer who have this hanging over them have been competing for years and it's only last year they were barred from a competition when whichever authority was in charge tightened the eligibility rules. What's not helped clear things up is the refusal to disclose exactly what was tested for that led to them being banned. |  |
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| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:02 - Aug 1 with 12104 views | Cafe_Newman |
| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 12:34 - Aug 1 by DanTheMan |
What criteria are you going on to say that the other one is male? |
This may have something to do with it:
The International Olympic Committee has defended its decision to allow two boxers who failed testosterone and gender eligibility tests at the 2023 world championships to compete in Paris.
Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu‑ting of Chinese Taipei (Taiwan) were disqualified from the 2023 women’s world championships with the International Boxing Association president, Umar Kremlev, saying DNA tests had “proved they had XY chromosomes and were thus excluded”."
https://www.theguardian.com/sp
If the IOC consider the use of weight categories necessary to protect athletes from harm resulting from mismatch, it seems odd that they should disregard chromosome testing.
What are your views on this Dan? |  |
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| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 13:04 - Aug 1 with 12059 views | Keno |
| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:42 - Aug 1 by DanTheMan |
Other than people guessing this person is trans, is there any actual evidence?
The fact that tests from different organisations have come to different conclusions would suggest to me they may be intersex like Caster Semenya but that's a complete guess. |
I am prepared to be corrected but it seems an unholy mess
and one that doesn't do the sport any credit
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ol | |
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| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:09 - Aug 1 with 11985 views | DanTheMan |
| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:02 - Aug 1 by Cafe_Newman |
This may have something to do with it:
The International Olympic Committee has defended its decision to allow two boxers who failed testosterone and gender eligibility tests at the 2023 world championships to compete in Paris.
Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu‑ting of Chinese Taipei (Taiwan) were disqualified from the 2023 women’s world championships with the International Boxing Association president, Umar Kremlev, saying DNA tests had “proved they had XY chromosomes and were thus excluded”."
https://www.theguardian.com/sp
If the IOC consider the use of weight categories necessary to protect athletes from harm resulting from mismatch, it seems odd that they should disregard chromosome testing.
What are your views on this Dan? |
My views are that I have nowhere near enough information to say that the other boxer is trans.
You can have different chromosomes than your sex, biology is just not that simple.
What do we do with people with three chromosomes? Do they get a separate category? | |
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| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:10 - Aug 1 with 11985 views | Trequartista |
This is heartbreaking and was predicted. Forget all the froth over the opening ceremony, this is far more important. Effectively domestic violence as an Olympic sport. How on earth can inclusivity trump safety? |  |
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| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 13:12 - Aug 1 with 11940 views | Churchman |
| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:42 - Aug 1 by DanTheMan |
Other than people guessing this person is trans, is there any actual evidence?
The fact that tests from different organisations have come to different conclusions would suggest to me they may be intersex like Caster Semenya but that's a complete guess. |
I watched Semenya run in the World Championships against Laura Muir and co. The race was a complete waste of time. A farce. They may as well have given Semenya the gold medal and let the others run for the crumbs in a proper race. |  | | |
| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:13 - Aug 1 with 11932 views | GlasgowBlue |
Call me old fashioned but somebody born biologically a man should not be beating the crap out of somebody born biologically as a woman for the gratification of a baying audience. |  |
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| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 13:16 - Aug 1 with 11877 views | Parky |
| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 13:04 - Aug 1 by Keno |
I am prepared to be corrected but it seems an unholy mess
and one that doesn't do the sport any credit
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ol |
That’s an utter disgrace. This, and allowing a charged sex offender to represent the Dutch volleyball team is not a good look. |  | | |
| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:18 - Aug 1 with 11858 views | Trequartista |
| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:13 - Aug 1 by GlasgowBlue |
Call me old fashioned but somebody born biologically a man should not be beating the crap out of somebody born biologically as a woman for the gratification of a baying audience. |
100% but I don’t think it’s clear if the 2 boxers in question were born men or women. What is clear is they were banned by another international organisation when a test returned XY chromosomes and that’s enough in my opinion. | |
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| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:20 - Aug 1 with 11827 views | Reus30 |
| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:13 - Aug 1 by GlasgowBlue |
Call me old fashioned but somebody born biologically a man should not be beating the crap out of somebody born biologically as a woman for the gratification of a baying audience. |
Time for all the legit ladies to pull out as a sign of unity and shove it up the IOCs butt.
4 years of hard work to get obliterated by a man. It's certainly not a woman. | | | |
| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 13:21 - Aug 1 with 11823 views | DanTheMan |
| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 13:12 - Aug 1 by Churchman |
I watched Semenya run in the World Championships against Laura Muir and co. The race was a complete waste of time. A farce. They may as well have given Semenya the gold medal and let the others run for the crumbs in a proper race. |
Understandable. My primary point is the suggestion (in my mind, perhaps I've misread) that this is a trans person and not someone with a DSD.
If the other test was just chromosome based that certainly doesn't make someone trans.
As soon as you're in the intersex realm it gets incredibly difficult to assign biological sex. | |
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| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:24 - Aug 1 with 11767 views | Illinoisblue |
| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:13 - Aug 1 by GlasgowBlue |
Call me old fashioned but somebody born biologically a man should not be beating the crap out of somebody born biologically as a woman for the gratification of a baying audience. |
Boxing is weird full-stop. The aim is to punch your opponent unconscious. Amazed it’s still an actual sport. |  |
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| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:25 - Aug 1 with 11760 views | itfcsuth |
Nothing short of a disgrace, end of.
Boxing is dangerous enough already. |  | | |
| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:39 - Aug 1 with 11608 views | lowhouseblue |
| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 12:34 - Aug 1 by DanTheMan |
What criteria are you going on to say that the other one is male? |
edited once i'd read more !! [Post edited 1 Aug 2024 13:40]
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| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 13:42 - Aug 1 with 11543 views | itfcjoe |
| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 12:42 - Aug 1 by DanTheMan |
Other than people guessing this person is trans, is there any actual evidence?
The fact that tests from different organisations have come to different conclusions would suggest to me they may be intersex like Caster Semenya but that's a complete guess. |
I think they are DSD so not Trans, but it's utterly abhorrent that they are in the female category at the Olympics after being banned from the World Boxing Championships
Shame on the IOC, blood on their hands - and another boxer to follow |  |
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| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 13:48 - Aug 1 with 11474 views | itfcjoe |
| A boxer who was born a woman had to fight a boxer who was born as a man on 13:21 - Aug 1 by DanTheMan |
Understandable. My primary point is the suggestion (in my mind, perhaps I've misread) that this is a trans person and not someone with a DSD.
If the other test was just chromosome based that certainly doesn't make someone trans.
As soon as you're in the intersex realm it gets incredibly difficult to assign biological sex. |
Considering how tiny a percentage for the worlds population is DSD, it's very difficult to see with their successes in womens sport that they should be eligible for it.
In the 800m at Rio Olympics, all 3 medallists were DSD.
Biology wise, if you are effectively naturally able to produce high levels of testosterone - and have been able to at some point in your life (i.e. Transwomen who have gone through puberty, or DSD where they need to try and suppress it with medication) you simply have an unfair advantage in women's sport.
There is no way to make sport both inclusive and fair | |
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| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:49 - Aug 1 with 11468 views | LankHenners |
| A woman boxer had to fight a man boxer… on 13:24 - Aug 1 by Illinoisblue |
Boxing is weird full-stop. The aim is to punch your opponent unconscious. Amazed it’s still an actual sport. |
Why I find some of the reporting/reaction to this whole thing a bit weird. You'd think no-one's ever been hit hard in boxing before the way some are going on. | |
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