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I noticed even teams like Derby are signing players from overseas, so it got me wondering why we aren’t shopping in foreign markets….
Not saying I necessarily think any / all of these are true, but it is quite noticeable how we now haven’t signed an hiurseas player for the first team in more than a decade!
- Is our newly expanded scouting network not yet established enough to identify the right targets?
- Is Kieran worried than language barriers may inhibit team cohesion and disrupt our style of play?
- Do we see them as higher risk signings and therefore a lot more due diligence and analysis is required?
- Does Mark Ashton refuse to pay for international calls?
- Do foreign transfers result in a different structure which doesn’t work as well for FFP?
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I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 06:54 - Aug 4 with 5000 views
Squad balance and integration I imagine. Maybe we prefer natural English speakers for ease of transition. Maybe a preference for UK born players as they understand the culture and the leagues better. We do have foreign nationals though and have signed Omari and Muric in this window so I think this is a moot point.
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I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 07:19 - Aug 4 with 4911 views
Don't think we are deliberately not signing these players, just that other clubs are bettering our offers. We bid on the Greek guy, A Croatian and I think we were trying to sign someone from South America early in the window. (I might have dreamt that one) Not a deliberate ploy by our club, just that the type of player we need, costs a lot of money and others have beaten us to it.
I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 08:58 - Aug 4 by BlueMoon
I'm sure I read somewhere that it's a tactic to integrate players more quickly and easily which makes sense given the size of the ask ahead of us.
Don't get be wrong, one or two foreign-based players would be exciting though.
I think we'll grow our scouting network and, if we stay up, I'd expect to see more overseas players in future.
I was hoping Tanner Tessman would be coming in either on a perm or a loan but looks like Fiorentina are winning that battle. Shame. Good all round midfielder who can break up play, carry the ball and play incisive passes too.
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I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 09:10 - Aug 4 with 4200 views
I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 06:54 - Aug 4 by ibbleobble
Squad balance and integration I imagine. Maybe we prefer natural English speakers for ease of transition. Maybe a preference for UK born players as they understand the culture and the leagues better. We do have foreign nationals though and have signed Omari and Muric in this window so I think this is a moot point.
Omari is English, he just qualifies for Jamaica. Muric is the typical kind of foreigner we have gone for in that he is already proven in the English leagues. I think it's partly pragmatic, in that they don't feel like we have time to bed players into a new culture and style of football and partly cultural. Some clubs get to be multilingual then you might have a problem with communication and cliques starting up.
I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 08:58 - Aug 4 by BlueMoon
I'm sure I read somewhere that it's a tactic to integrate players more quickly and easily which makes sense given the size of the ask ahead of us.
Don't get be wrong, one or two foreign-based players would be exciting though.
I think we'll grow our scouting network and, if we stay up, I'd expect to see more overseas players in future.
I think it’s easy to forget how much was destroyed in Evans’ time. Just about everything is a fair summary.
I’m sure we will develop an effective non-U.K. scouting network but it will take time. Finidi, Sereni and Paz are costly cautionary tales, but Taricco, Muhren, Thijssen, Romeo Z show that there is opportunity out there.
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I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 09:34 - Aug 4 with 3944 views
More difficult to do detailed due diligence on a player’s character when they’re overseas maybe? It is a bit strange, but in this world where stats are increasingly used in recruitment and we know KM values character fit equally, have we got the resources to scout as thoroughly as we’d need to?
Don’t think you can really go by the last ten years or so as our league position and a change in rules effected that. That said we had Bart, Bru. Bajner, malarcyk, Larson Toure etc.
Think we are looking at multiple overseas players at the mo,, albeit some on loan from premier clubs. We probably went up a season or two sooner than expected and it is only now we really need to widen the search. Despite that I know we were looking at a couple of overseas based players last season. I think the reality is we need to take more calculated risks in prem year 1.
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I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 09:57 - Aug 4 with 3742 views
I'm sure we will get there but sometimes international players take a season to settle in. We don't have time for that. That's why I was sceptical about the rumours about the Greek striker.
I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 06:54 - Aug 4 by ibbleobble
Squad balance and integration I imagine. Maybe we prefer natural English speakers for ease of transition. Maybe a preference for UK born players as they understand the culture and the leagues better. We do have foreign nationals though and have signed Omari and Muric in this window so I think this is a moot point.
Omari we obviously knew and Muric was UK-based. I’m assuming we had a lot of info on Mutic already. There’s the Greek fella who we clearly wanted, so we are obviously willing to look further afield. We do seem less active abroad than some clubs though.
Quite often players from abroad take more than a season to fit in. It wasn't until Town signed Thyssen that we saw the best of Muhren and the whole idea that we could sell one of our best players in Talbot for £650,000 and then buy both Muhren and Thyssen for lessjust doesn't happen now. You only have to look at some foreign players to see what they cost against what they achieve doesn't always pay off.
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I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 10:27 - Aug 4 with 3539 views
I think that the on rapid rise of the club from L1 mediocrity to PL has been so quick that other aspects of the club have been completely left behind. This includes the training facilities, stadium and scouting networks - especially European and worldwide.
It’ll take time for off-pitch facilities to catch-up but they will.
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I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 11:58 - Aug 4 with 3198 views
Probably a combination of all those. Moving rapidly from L1 to Prem was always going to cause some issues. When in L1 having an international scouting network didn't make financial sense, ie let's use what money we have on better quality players from the UK to get us into the Champ. To then suddenly try and setup one after only one season in the Champ is difficult.
Getting the correct type of personality seems as important as the players ability, so KM is probably happier to have UK based where he can obtain the relevant personality information. But we have obviously looked at some given we bid on the Greek player.
I listened to a program a couple of years ago about Brighton and how they recruit a lot of players from South America but not as many from Europe. It was explained when Brighton were first promoted to the Prem and building out their global scouting network, the club already had a relationship in S America with a scouting org because of a previous player. So it was easier and quicker to integrate that group than creating new scouting network in Europe. They now have the European one setup, but the S America grp is so integrated it produces a lot of gems. But the initial setup was more by luck than some longterm plan they had implemented 5 years earlier.
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I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 13:30 - Aug 4 with 2810 views
I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 13:15 - Aug 4 by BloomBlue
Probably a combination of all those. Moving rapidly from L1 to Prem was always going to cause some issues. When in L1 having an international scouting network didn't make financial sense, ie let's use what money we have on better quality players from the UK to get us into the Champ. To then suddenly try and setup one after only one season in the Champ is difficult.
Getting the correct type of personality seems as important as the players ability, so KM is probably happier to have UK based where he can obtain the relevant personality information. But we have obviously looked at some given we bid on the Greek player.
I listened to a program a couple of years ago about Brighton and how they recruit a lot of players from South America but not as many from Europe. It was explained when Brighton were first promoted to the Prem and building out their global scouting network, the club already had a relationship in S America with a scouting org because of a previous player. So it was easier and quicker to integrate that group than creating new scouting network in Europe. They now have the European one setup, but the S America grp is so integrated it produces a lot of gems. But the initial setup was more by luck than some longterm plan they had implemented 5 years earlier.
Agree, we'll build up in terms of our international recruitment but we have to take every advantage we can I'm terms of squad cohesion and ease to integrate and put across ideas etc. Added to the above we are relatively immature in our networks and scouting infrastructure which will also now grow.
You make a lot of good question points. Only one I'd say no to is the bottom one. We're making forays where we feel confident enough though, as shown by our Fotis bids. I wonder if we'll go back there one final time or if we've already diverted those funds now.
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I wonder why we don’t seem to be signing players from abroad? on 13:37 - Aug 4 with 2763 views
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