| Labour Party and Kier Starmer 07:25 - Sep 3 with 47433 views | onceablue |
I just woke up from a nightmare where Kier Starmer and his Girlfriend Rachael Reeves were in charge of the country
Oh f@ck
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:43 - Sep 11 with 2039 views | DJR |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:35 - Sep 11 by giant_stow |
I'm not doubting that the NHS is in a proper state - that's clear as day, but I think it's because the it's needed *increased* spending owing to more demand.
In the context of austerity, it's not suffered the cuts that other departments, such as local govt, have - hence the point related to inter-generational fairness. It's done badly, but not as badly as other areas. |
I suppose that's one way of looking at it but not much comfort if you are on a waiting list or stuck in A & E, which doesn't just affect pensioners. And lesser spending on local government affects social care which in turn affects both those needing social care and the NHS.
Of course my argument is that austerity in 2010 was the wrong medicine, and has led to all the problems we are now facing.
And don't forget that the 2008 financial crisis affected all countries, but no western European health system these days is in the state that the NHS is. [Post edited 11 Sep 2024 9:46]
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:46 - Sep 11 with 2016 views | giant_stow |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:39 - Sep 11 by DanTheMan |
On your last line, I've already accepted I'm just not going to get a state pension. Unless we continue with huge population increases to keep the ratio of working people to pensioners even remotely sane, I just don't see how it works as a policy long term when we're all living until much later in life. And seeing as people can't afford to have children and people don't want immigration I don't really understand how we can have it all, so to speak.
It's immensely frustrating. |
Young people are absolutely screwed. Loads coming out of Uni with huge debts, diminished jobs prospects and as you say, looking at supporting an ever higher tax burden, with little to no hope of ever having a comfortable life, let alone owning their own homes. If we're not careful, those bods will walk, just like we see with drs and nurses qualifying here and then pissing off elsewhere for better pay, conditions and tax treatment. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:50 - Sep 11 with 1997 views | DJR |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:39 - Sep 11 by DanTheMan |
On your last line, I've already accepted I'm just not going to get a state pension. Unless we continue with huge population increases to keep the ratio of working people to pensioners even remotely sane, I just don't see how it works as a policy long term when we're all living until much later in life. And seeing as people can't afford to have children and people don't want immigration I don't really understand how we can have it all, so to speak.
It's immensely frustrating. |
There has to be a state pension because it's difficult to see how many people are going to be able to build up a sufficient pension pot elsewhere. | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:55 - Sep 11 with 1969 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:39 - Sep 11 by DanTheMan |
On your last line, I've already accepted I'm just not going to get a state pension. Unless we continue with huge population increases to keep the ratio of working people to pensioners even remotely sane, I just don't see how it works as a policy long term when we're all living until much later in life. And seeing as people can't afford to have children and people don't want immigration I don't really understand how we can have it all, so to speak.
It's immensely frustrating. |
Dan you are probably in a position to plan for your retirement the majority of working people aren’t. Many don’t even have saving they can use to cover unforeseen expenditure. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:57 - Sep 11 with 1954 views | tractordownsouth |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:07 - Sep 11 by DJR |
On the other hand, elderly people (and the disabled) have suffered unduly because of the parlous state of the NHS and social care, including during Covid.
And surely there is something wrong with a policy which puts 100,000 pensioners into poverty and leads to an additional 4,000 winter deaths?
In addition, anyone below pension age ought to be concerned about chipping away at the state pension because it sets a dangerous precedent, and who knows what meagre offerings might be available by the time they come to retire. [Post edited 11 Sep 2024 9:32]
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Part of the money has gone towards paying junior doctors more and ending the strikes in the NHS. I wish government communication had been better on this but the reallocation of funds will benefit the age group that is losing the winter fuel allowance, just in a more progressive way.
On the second point, I absolutely agree on the need for the threshold to be higher to alleviate those effects. However, it’s not progressive to give freebies to high income pensioners, funded by the people who have been on the sharp end of cuts for the past decade and a half.
The precedent for future retirees argument doesn’t really work because the triple lock won’t exist in a few years anyway and by the time my generation reach that age and there’s a chance the state pension won’t exist at all. The age demographics of the country mean those things are almost an inevitability. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:05 - Sep 11 with 1907 views | DanTheMan |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:55 - Sep 11 by Pinewoodblue |
Dan you are probably in a position to plan for your retirement the majority of working people aren’t. Many don’t even have saving they can use to cover unforeseen expenditure. |
The majority of working people need to think about it because I reckon it'll either start getting means tested or scrapped altogether.
We all put into a workplace pension of course (unless you opt-out).
My main point is though, the sums don't add up. We need to have a serious conversation about how society functions when the ratio between the retired and working is massively skewed. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:11 - Sep 11 with 1878 views | DJR |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:05 - Sep 11 by DanTheMan |
The majority of working people need to think about it because I reckon it'll either start getting means tested or scrapped altogether.
We all put into a workplace pension of course (unless you opt-out).
My main point is though, the sums don't add up. We need to have a serious conversation about how society functions when the ratio between the retired and working is massively skewed. |
Japan still pays a state pension at 65, and its demographic issues are worse than ours.
If there's a will .....
And there ought to be in the 6th wealthiest country in the world. [Post edited 11 Sep 2024 10:12]
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:25 - Sep 11 with 1816 views | Zapers |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 17:35 - Sep 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
He's right. Glassers' "going after vulnerable elderly people" is emotive nonsense.
Not that his lot did anything for pensioners anyway (they just didn't realise the government was giving with one hand and taking back with another). |
That is complete nonsense from you. You need to stop referring to the Conservatives as "his lot" Hes repeatedly stated otherwise, you just need to get off your high horse and listen, for once.
In terms of political nous, GB is way more knowledgeable than most on TWTD, so I suggest he probably does realise. | | | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:26 - Sep 11 with 1808 views | Zapers |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 18:21 - Sep 10 by brazil1982 |
Is it too early to call them nasty / fascist/ evil yet? |
Not if you're Badger, but I don't see that happening! | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:35 - Sep 11 with 1780 views | MattinLondon |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:25 - Sep 11 by Zapers |
That is complete nonsense from you. You need to stop referring to the Conservatives as "his lot" Hes repeatedly stated otherwise, you just need to get off your high horse and listen, for once.
In terms of political nous, GB is way more knowledgeable than most on TWTD, so I suggest he probably does realise. |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:51 - Sep 11 with 1761 views | mutters |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:05 - Sep 11 by DanTheMan |
The majority of working people need to think about it because I reckon it'll either start getting means tested or scrapped altogether.
We all put into a workplace pension of course (unless you opt-out).
My main point is though, the sums don't add up. We need to have a serious conversation about how society functions when the ratio between the retired and working is massively skewed. |
When I started paying into my state pension, I was told that I could retire at 65, it is now 67, soon to be 68. They are continually moving the goal posts and imo the government should honour whatever the conditions were when went a person started paying into the system.
As somebody in their midlife I have made plans based on the recieving a full state pension, supported by a private pension. Should they remove this, then there will be many who just don't have time to recover that planned loss of income. Fair enough tell people from the start, but to change course midstream is pretty damn harsh.
What I did think could happen was that the state pension gets binned, but some payment would be made inline with what your state pension would be worth and it forces everyone to have a private pension to take the burden off the tax payer long term. You can see the basis of this by making everyone employer have to offer a workplace pension, this giving a destination should the government take this approach.
If they go down this path of means testing a state pension then all hell will break loose. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:21 - Sep 11 with 1713 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:11 - Sep 11 by DJR |
Japan still pays a state pension at 65, and its demographic issues are worse than ours.
If there's a will .....
And there ought to be in the 6th wealthiest country in the world. [Post edited 11 Sep 2024 10:12]
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…is a pointless stat in my opinion. We aren’t the 6th wealthiest country in the world by any metric. We have the 6th largest economy (and declining). Per capita our GDP is also declining- herein lies the problem, we are getting poorer. Some of this is the shift of wealth away from the West in general, some is mismanagement by successive governments.
Although we are showing GDP growth this is largely just from rapid population increase, on an individual level we are still becoming poorer, and therefore there’s less money (per capita) in the pot for public services. Large scale immigration is plugging holes, but it’s not a solution to deeper problems, if anything it encourages our low skill, low wage economy. Education, shift away from reliance on retail and financial services, and decentralisation are needed. Starmer doesn’t come across as a man with a plan to tackle any of this, so we’ll go on in a managed decline, albeit with less outright corruption and nepotism. | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:26 - Sep 11 with 1711 views | blueasfook |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:26 - Sep 11 by Zapers |
Not if you're Badger, but I don't see that happening! |
What is it about the Labour Party you like? Is it the taking of money from vulnerable pensioners? Two tier policing? Giving generous pay rises to train drivers and doctors? Tearing down portraits of iconic former PMs from the walls of Downing St?
I think I'll post this 10 times a day for the next 4 years. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:27 - Sep 11 with 1702 views | DJR |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:21 - Sep 11 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
…is a pointless stat in my opinion. We aren’t the 6th wealthiest country in the world by any metric. We have the 6th largest economy (and declining). Per capita our GDP is also declining- herein lies the problem, we are getting poorer. Some of this is the shift of wealth away from the West in general, some is mismanagement by successive governments.
Although we are showing GDP growth this is largely just from rapid population increase, on an individual level we are still becoming poorer, and therefore there’s less money (per capita) in the pot for public services. Large scale immigration is plugging holes, but it’s not a solution to deeper problems, if anything it encourages our low skill, low wage economy. Education, shift away from reliance on retail and financial services, and decentralisation are needed. Starmer doesn’t come across as a man with a plan to tackle any of this, so we’ll go on in a managed decline, albeit with less outright corruption and nepotism. |
That's a pretty fair analysis. [Post edited 11 Sep 2024 11:28]
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:31 - Sep 11 with 1677 views | Blueschev |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:26 - Sep 11 by blueasfook |
What is it about the Labour Party you like? Is it the taking of money from vulnerable pensioners? Two tier policing? Giving generous pay rises to train drivers and doctors? Tearing down portraits of iconic former PMs from the walls of Downing St?
I think I'll post this 10 times a day for the next 4 years. |
I do like the last two as it happens. |  | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:35 - Sep 11 with 1661 views | leitrimblue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:26 - Sep 11 by blueasfook |
What is it about the Labour Party you like? Is it the taking of money from vulnerable pensioners? Two tier policing? Giving generous pay rises to train drivers and doctors? Tearing down portraits of iconic former PMs from the walls of Downing St?
I think I'll post this 10 times a day for the next 4 years. |
Tearing down the portrait of the waste of air that stole my milk is my personal favourite.
Could you explain 2 tier policing? Not sure I understand the meaning |  | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:35 - Sep 11 with 1658 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:27 - Sep 11 by DJR |
That's a pretty fair analysis. [Post edited 11 Sep 2024 11:28]
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Taking money out of the economy by removing winter fuel payments doesn’t help to grow the economy. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:37 - Sep 11 with 1646 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:26 - Sep 11 by blueasfook |
What is it about the Labour Party you like? Is it the taking of money from vulnerable pensioners? Two tier policing? Giving generous pay rises to train drivers and doctors? Tearing down portraits of iconic former PMs from the walls of Downing St?
I think I'll post this 10 times a day for the next 4 years. |
Please do I'm sure we could all do with a regular good laugh. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:44 - Sep 11 with 1603 views | Blueschev |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:35 - Sep 11 by leitrimblue |
Tearing down the portrait of the waste of air that stole my milk is my personal favourite.
Could you explain 2 tier policing? Not sure I understand the meaning |
I think he's pointing out how peacefully protesting against the catastrophic destruction of the planet will get you more bird than trying to storm a mosque with fellow knuckle draggers. | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:52 - Sep 11 with 1556 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:25 - Sep 11 by Zapers |
That is complete nonsense from you. You need to stop referring to the Conservatives as "his lot" Hes repeatedly stated otherwise, you just need to get off your high horse and listen, for once.
In terms of political nous, GB is way more knowledgeable than most on TWTD, so I suggest he probably does realise. |
Are you Glassers with a different alt? He has been Tory for decades - and during the time of austerity we're talking about. We had long running battles of here about it, so it's laughable that you're now saying I'm not allowed to call them "his lot". It was absolutely "his lot", that he repeatedly voted for and electioneered for on here.
And in terms of who didn't realise, I was referring to pensioners not Glassers. I assume he completely realises. Maybe you ought to read and digest properly before you go steaming in to defend 'another' poster. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:54 - Sep 11 with 1536 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:26 - Sep 11 by Zapers |
Not if you're Badger, but I don't see that happening! |
Is it because trying to sort out the mess left for them is none of nasty, fascist or evil? | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:57 - Sep 11 with 1500 views | leitrimblue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:44 - Sep 11 by Blueschev |
I think he's pointing out how peacefully protesting against the catastrophic destruction of the planet will get you more bird than trying to storm a mosque with fellow knuckle draggers. |
OK, now I understand.
We all need protecting from those environmental protesters/ terrorists raising awareness of climate destruction | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 13:30 - Sep 11 with 1374 views | DanTheMan |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:11 - Sep 11 by DJR |
Japan still pays a state pension at 65, and its demographic issues are worse than ours.
If there's a will .....
And there ought to be in the 6th wealthiest country in the world. [Post edited 11 Sep 2024 10:12]
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Just briefly on Japan, from what I can tell (it's hard to find numbers) they get roughly £325 per month / £75 per week, much less than what we pay out.
But it all depends on how long you paid in, it's run more like an actual pension fund rather than ours where NI is just added into the pot of money the Government can spend. Or at least it seems that way. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 13:31 - Sep 11 with 1373 views | Zapers |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:26 - Sep 11 by blueasfook |
What is it about the Labour Party you like? Is it the taking of money from vulnerable pensioners? Two tier policing? Giving generous pay rises to train drivers and doctors? Tearing down portraits of iconic former PMs from the walls of Downing St?
I think I'll post this 10 times a day for the next 4 years. |
Please do, makes a refreshing change from the usual nonsense. | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 13:37 - Sep 11 with 1350 views | Zapers |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:35 - Sep 11 by leitrimblue |
Tearing down the portrait of the waste of air that stole my milk is my personal favourite.
Could you explain 2 tier policing? Not sure I understand the meaning |
One mans waste of air was oxygen to the sensible majority. | | | |
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