| Labour Party and Kier Starmer 07:25 - Sep 3 with 47410 views | onceablue |
I just woke up from a nightmare where Kier Starmer and his Girlfriend Rachael Reeves were in charge of the country
Oh f@ck
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:39 - Sep 10 with 2660 views | leitrimblue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:36 - Sep 10 by DJR |
You can certainly imagine that the right wing media will be on the look-out for such cases. |
Shouldn't just be the right wing media. If a single old person dies of the cold in the UK in 2024 Starmer should be slaughtered by all sections of the media |  | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:50 - Sep 10 with 2612 views | DJR |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:39 - Sep 10 by leitrimblue |
Shouldn't just be the right wing media. If a single old person dies of the cold in the UK in 2024 Starmer should be slaughtered by all sections of the media |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:00 - Sep 10 with 2572 views | DJR |
Interesting to note an article by Reeves in the Telegraph trying to justify the cut and saying pensioners are likely to be £1,700 better off over the course of the Parliament due to the triple lock.
But this is only for those entitled to the full new state pension (those who retired after 2016), and recent data obtained by Royal London found that only half of the 3.5 million recipients of the new state pension were paid the full weekly amount of £203.85 last year, due to gaps in their National Insurance record.
In addition, the old basic pension (received by older and thus more vulnerable pensioners) is lower than the new state pension, and there will similarly be people not entitled to the full amount due to such gaps. [Post edited 10 Sep 2024 11:03]
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:07 - Sep 10 with 2533 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:00 - Sep 10 by DJR |
Interesting to note an article by Reeves in the Telegraph trying to justify the cut and saying pensioners are likely to be £1,700 better off over the course of the Parliament due to the triple lock.
But this is only for those entitled to the full new state pension (those who retired after 2016), and recent data obtained by Royal London found that only half of the 3.5 million recipients of the new state pension were paid the full weekly amount of £203.85 last year, due to gaps in their National Insurance record.
In addition, the old basic pension (received by older and thus more vulnerable pensioners) is lower than the new state pension, and there will similarly be people not entitled to the full amount due to such gaps. [Post edited 10 Sep 2024 11:03]
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These details matter.
State Pension plus top up credits are *supposed to be* enough to live on, but if this *might* be the case generally there is wisdom in the response to seasonally variable living costs that the Winter Fuel Payment enables.
I sincerely hope that Starmer and Reeves find a way out of this mess of their own making, for the sake of those who will fall through the cracks otherwise.
Because falling through the cracks, in this case, could mean hypothermia. [Post edited 10 Sep 2024 11:19]
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:37 - Sep 10 with 2469 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:00 - Sep 10 by DJR |
Interesting to note an article by Reeves in the Telegraph trying to justify the cut and saying pensioners are likely to be £1,700 better off over the course of the Parliament due to the triple lock.
But this is only for those entitled to the full new state pension (those who retired after 2016), and recent data obtained by Royal London found that only half of the 3.5 million recipients of the new state pension were paid the full weekly amount of £203.85 last year, due to gaps in their National Insurance record.
In addition, the old basic pension (received by older and thus more vulnerable pensioners) is lower than the new state pension, and there will similarly be people not entitled to the full amount due to such gaps. [Post edited 10 Sep 2024 11:03]
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Annoys me when Starmer, or Reeves, put a financial value on pension increases, they always quote the new state pension rate. The majority of pensioners receive a lesser amount. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:40 - Sep 10 with 2458 views | positivity |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:39 - Sep 10 by leitrimblue |
Shouldn't just be the right wing media. If a single old person dies of the cold in the UK in 2024 Starmer should be slaughtered by all sections of the media |
going to be difficult to pin an individual case on the policy, apparently 9000 people died with the universal winter fuel payments policy in place last year (ref: centre for ageing better).
if more people actually get pension credits on top of the wfp, you may even see less, but ultimately the main driver will be the severity of the winter. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:51 - Sep 10 with 2438 views | mutters |
Its pretty simple to me.
Labour inherited an absolutely shocking situation no matter how you look at it, whether they have inflated the problem or not to make it look worse is not the concern. The thing is they could take a different approach if they wanted to. They could just tax the higher paid, though it would break a manifesto pledge. They could just hit hard on inheritance tax or capital gains tax, they could hit the energy companies with a harsher windfall tax, or they could make companies pay more tax.... The point is they have many options at their disposal, and whatever you think about the past government, the current one is choosing this approach.
So yes Labour has a difficult decision, but there are other ways to approach this that would annoy businesses / the wealthy, however, they are choosing this. Labour has to own this decision, not try to blame it on the situation they inherited, how they solve the problem is down to their choices. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:53 - Sep 10 with 2422 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:51 - Sep 10 by mutters |
Its pretty simple to me.
Labour inherited an absolutely shocking situation no matter how you look at it, whether they have inflated the problem or not to make it look worse is not the concern. The thing is they could take a different approach if they wanted to. They could just tax the higher paid, though it would break a manifesto pledge. They could just hit hard on inheritance tax or capital gains tax, they could hit the energy companies with a harsher windfall tax, or they could make companies pay more tax.... The point is they have many options at their disposal, and whatever you think about the past government, the current one is choosing this approach.
So yes Labour has a difficult decision, but there are other ways to approach this that would annoy businesses / the wealthy, however, they are choosing this. Labour has to own this decision, not try to blame it on the situation they inherited, how they solve the problem is down to their choices. |
They may well have to do all those things..... | | | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:04 - Sep 10 with 2369 views | positivity |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:53 - Sep 10 by redrickstuhaart |
They may well have to do all those things..... |
i guess we're getting more of an idea of why sunak choose to go so early on the election, seemed odd at the time, but there were so many timebombs waiting to go off... | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:09 - Sep 10 with 2348 views | mutters |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:53 - Sep 10 by redrickstuhaart |
They may well have to do all those things..... |
Now that might be where we end up,but they could have gone after the other ones first though, I am more aggrieved with the wealthy not paying enough than some pensioners getting a benefit they might be able to do without. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:12 - Sep 10 with 2316 views | Blueschev |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:04 - Sep 10 by positivity |
i guess we're getting more of an idea of why sunak choose to go so early on the election, seemed odd at the time, but there were so many timebombs waiting to go off... |
I thought that was apparent at the time to be honest, the country is in a right mess. The right-wing press are already hammering Labour for all of the ills we currently face, there's little Labour can or want to do about most of it anyway. My guess that in the future this government will be portrayed as one of the worst ever, irrespective of whether it's actually true or not. |  | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:15 - Sep 10 with 2276 views | positivity |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:09 - Sep 10 by mutters |
Now that might be where we end up,but they could have gone after the other ones first though, I am more aggrieved with the wealthy not paying enough than some pensioners getting a benefit they might be able to do without. |
suspect it's a matter of timing. reducing payments out is an immediate positive on the credit balance, whereas tax increases (especially things like inheritance) will take ages for the money to come in to the balance books.
that said, i don't think the hit is worth it with this timing. should've been announced in the spring to give genuinely poor people the chance to apply for pension credit and a system to avoid any cliff-edges brought in | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:18 - Sep 10 with 2263 views | positivity |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:12 - Sep 10 by Blueschev |
I thought that was apparent at the time to be honest, the country is in a right mess. The right-wing press are already hammering Labour for all of the ills we currently face, there's little Labour can or want to do about most of it anyway. My guess that in the future this government will be portrayed as one of the worst ever, irrespective of whether it's actually true or not. |
yes, a good election to lose, especially if you can present solutions (which the tories and reform have conspicuously failed to do so far without breaking their own manifesto promises) | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:24 - Sep 10 with 2224 views | DJR |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:00 - Sep 10 by DJR |
Interesting to note an article by Reeves in the Telegraph trying to justify the cut and saying pensioners are likely to be £1,700 better off over the course of the Parliament due to the triple lock.
But this is only for those entitled to the full new state pension (those who retired after 2016), and recent data obtained by Royal London found that only half of the 3.5 million recipients of the new state pension were paid the full weekly amount of £203.85 last year, due to gaps in their National Insurance record.
In addition, the old basic pension (received by older and thus more vulnerable pensioners) is lower than the new state pension, and there will similarly be people not entitled to the full amount due to such gaps. [Post edited 10 Sep 2024 11:03]
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To flesh this out, these are the figures for this year.
The full rates for 2023/24 will be: £203.85 per week for the new State Pension (for those reaching State Pension age on or after 6 April 2016) – up from £185.15 in 2022/23. £156.20 per week for the basic State Pension (the core amount in the old State Pension system) – up from £141.85 in 2022/23. [Post edited 10 Sep 2024 12:25]
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 15:31 - Sep 10 with 2055 views | DJR |
One Labour MP (John Tricket) voted against.
What a spineless bunch but only to be expected with all the hand-picked new Labour MPs. [Post edited 10 Sep 2024 15:32]
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 15:59 - Sep 10 with 2005 views | blueasfook |
Next, they're going after the single person council tax discount (and that will include pensioners too). They really have it in for pensioners. Probably cos most of them vote Tory. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:09 - Sep 10 with 1965 views | positivity |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 15:59 - Sep 10 by blueasfook |
Next, they're going after the single person council tax discount (and that will include pensioners too). They really have it in for pensioners. Probably cos most of them vote Tory. |
most of them also voted for brexit, so you could say they are the most culpable for the current mess.
hopefully it'll be the richest who'll bear most of the brunt | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:12 - Sep 10 with 1941 views | DJR |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:09 - Sep 10 by positivity |
most of them also voted for brexit, so you could say they are the most culpable for the current mess.
hopefully it'll be the richest who'll bear most of the brunt |
My elderly mother and in-laws did not vote Tory or for Brexit, and neither would my father have done had he been still alive. [Post edited 10 Sep 2024 16:12]
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:17 - Sep 10 with 1909 views | positivity |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:12 - Sep 10 by DJR |
My elderly mother and in-laws did not vote Tory or for Brexit, and neither would my father have done had he been still alive. [Post edited 10 Sep 2024 16:12]
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good for them, nor did mine, but even with all the mess of the last 14 years, >40% of 65+ still voted tory.
64% voted for brexit, (against 29% of 18-24 year olds who'll be the ones to reap the disastrous seeds that have been sown | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:27 - Sep 10 with 1869 views | GlasgowBlue |
I must admit I'm rather enjoying seeing the people who complained about austerity under the coalition, introduced because the finaces were completely fckued, now defending austerity under Labour because the finances are completely fcuked. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:29 - Sep 10 with 1864 views | blueasfook |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:09 - Sep 10 by positivity |
most of them also voted for brexit, so you could say they are the most culpable for the current mess.
hopefully it'll be the richest who'll bear most of the brunt |
Currently they seem to be going after single people and pensioners. Hardly the richest of society. Are we in a new age of vindictive politics now where people are punished for how they voted? | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:32 - Sep 10 with 1848 views | positivity |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:27 - Sep 10 by GlasgowBlue |
I must admit I'm rather enjoying seeing the people who complained about austerity under the coalition, introduced because the finaces were completely fckued, now defending austerity under Labour because the finances are completely fcuked. |
interesting to see how the austerity is handed this time.
under the tories, the richest 20% of the population were essentially excluded from the impact of cuts.
it's not going to be the same this time, hence the howling from those who were totally silent on austerity first time round | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:34 - Sep 10 with 1838 views | positivity |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:29 - Sep 10 by blueasfook |
Currently they seem to be going after single people and pensioners. Hardly the richest of society. Are we in a new age of vindictive politics now where people are punished for how they voted? |
not the poorer pensioners or the poorer single people who bore the brunt of tory austerity.
the politics shouldn't target those who voted in a destructive way, but they shouldn't be immune from their vote's impacts should they? | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:44 - Sep 10 with 1769 views | DanTheMan |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:29 - Sep 10 by blueasfook |
Currently they seem to be going after single people and pensioners. Hardly the richest of society. Are we in a new age of vindictive politics now where people are punished for how they voted? |
I believe in terms of wealth, pensioners are the richest in society, especially those newly retired.
They also have a higher average weekly income than those working after housing costs are considered. Of course, there will be outliers, but this idea that all pensioners are on the breadline is a bit silly and masks real criticisms with the policy of removing it.
EDIT: Apologies, above is wrong. They've increased a lot more, but they don't have a higher average than households without children. [Post edited 10 Sep 2024 16:49]
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:45 - Sep 10 with 1758 views | itfcjoe |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 16:29 - Sep 10 by blueasfook |
Currently they seem to be going after single people and pensioners. Hardly the richest of society. Are we in a new age of vindictive politics now where people are punished for how they voted? |
Pensioners have been rewarded by how they voted over the last administration - whatever peoples thoughts on the details of this change, it should be no surprise that when the election hasn't been won by the party that consistently has chucked them bungs in return for their votes that they, rather than other parts of the population, may be the ones that aren't prioritised by this administration. |  |
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