| Labour Party and Kier Starmer 07:25 - Sep 3 with 49854 views | onceablue |
I just woke up from a nightmare where Kier Starmer and his Girlfriend Rachael Reeves were in charge of the country
Oh f@ck
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:31 - Sep 8 with 3327 views | Whos_blue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:15 - Sep 8 by VanSaParody |
Absolutely take the win
But, let's say it finished 3 or 4 or even 5-0...
I wouldn't be crowing about the drubbing |
PS. There's a certain 5-0 we crowed about for years!
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 13:25 - Sep 8 with 3244 views | VanSaParody |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:31 - Sep 8 by Whos_blue |
PS. There's a certain 5-0 we crowed about for years!
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I know, I still occasionally watch the DVD! |  | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 13:28 - Sep 8 with 3240 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:56 - Sep 8 by VanSaParody |
You have to go back to 1918 (& 2001) to find a lower general election turnout
It's embarrassing to claim a landslide victory
It's like, let's say, your favourite team in blue, at 0-0, having 3 players sent off, handing the advantage to the red team who, as you'd then expect, go on to win the game |
LOL, what a crock of nonsense.
I particularly love the way 2001 wasn't sexy enough so you went with 1918 and just put 2001 in brackets.
No idea what your football analogy means, it was a straight race and the Tories got their arses handed to them on a plate (rightly, after 14 years of mismanagement at best and fraud at worst). It's not remotely embarrassing to claim facts. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 20:46 - Sep 8 with 3120 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:15 - Sep 8 by VanSaParody |
Absolutely take the win
But, let's say it finished 3 or 4 or even 5-0...
I wouldn't be crowing about the drubbing |
Even if the opposition players were sent off for:
A professional foul when the reds' striker was clean through on goal;
their third or fourth bookable offence because the referee had been lenient on one of them;
a career-ending horrendous challenge on one of the reds.
All of which would aptly describe most of what the "blue team" has done over the past decade or so.
I am not sure why this is being compared to a football match but you sound like Sam Allardyce moaning about us in 2000. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 20:51 - Sep 8 with 3113 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 13:28 - Sep 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
LOL, what a crock of nonsense.
I particularly love the way 2001 wasn't sexy enough so you went with 1918 and just put 2001 in brackets.
No idea what your football analogy means, it was a straight race and the Tories got their arses handed to them on a plate (rightly, after 14 years of mismanagement at best and fraud at worst). It's not remotely embarrassing to claim facts. |
I think some people do struggle with facts when they go against their tribalism (and we’ve seen plenty of examples of that especially over the last 8 years!). But as you say, it was a thumping electoral win. Labour couldn’t really do otherwise given how pissed off people were with the mess the Tories made.
I still don’t know what Starmer and co. stand for though. They could electioneer cautiously because they had such a lead. They can’t continue to govern without any vision or people will very quickly get bored of them imo. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 21:03 - Sep 8 with 3092 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 20:51 - Sep 8 by Swansea_Blue |
I think some people do struggle with facts when they go against their tribalism (and we’ve seen plenty of examples of that especially over the last 8 years!). But as you say, it was a thumping electoral win. Labour couldn’t really do otherwise given how pissed off people were with the mess the Tories made.
I still don’t know what Starmer and co. stand for though. They could electioneer cautiously because they had such a lead. They can’t continue to govern without any vision or people will very quickly get bored of them imo. |
The main reason for the size of majority wasn’t people voting Labour but more those, fed up with Tory misrule, voting Reform or abstaining.
As for what Starmer stands for I haven’t a clue, apart from being strong with his own MPs who step out of line. Wonder how many more will have the whip withdrawn when they have a vote on the removal of winter fuel allowance? |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 21:35 - Sep 8 with 3067 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 20:51 - Sep 8 by Swansea_Blue |
I think some people do struggle with facts when they go against their tribalism (and we’ve seen plenty of examples of that especially over the last 8 years!). But as you say, it was a thumping electoral win. Labour couldn’t really do otherwise given how pissed off people were with the mess the Tories made.
I still don’t know what Starmer and co. stand for though. They could electioneer cautiously because they had such a lead. They can’t continue to govern without any vision or people will very quickly get bored of them imo. |
Watching him on Laura K this morning, I'd say Starmer's Labour stands for doing things properly, for long term gain, even if unpopular in the short term. That'll do for me. We haven't seen a government doing things properly for the long term benefit (of the country rather than themselves and their mates and staying in power) for decades. In my lifetime, probably. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 21:40 - Sep 8 with 3056 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 21:03 - Sep 8 by Pinewoodblue |
The main reason for the size of majority wasn’t people voting Labour but more those, fed up with Tory misrule, voting Reform or abstaining.
As for what Starmer stands for I haven’t a clue, apart from being strong with his own MPs who step out of line. Wonder how many more will have the whip withdrawn when they have a vote on the removal of winter fuel allowance? |
Disagree. The three things you mention were certainly part of it, particularly the first one, but I don't think there's any evidence the other two are anywhere near being the MAIN reason for the size of majority. Not that anyone could possibly know the real reasons without canvassing every single voter.
But who cares about the whys and the wherefores, a win is a win is a win. And this one was a majority. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 06:35 - Sep 9 with 2943 views | Benters |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 21:03 - Sep 8 by Pinewoodblue |
The main reason for the size of majority wasn’t people voting Labour but more those, fed up with Tory misrule, voting Reform or abstaining.
As for what Starmer stands for I haven’t a clue, apart from being strong with his own MPs who step out of line. Wonder how many more will have the whip withdrawn when they have a vote on the removal of winter fuel allowance? |
I always voted Conservative but this time voted Reform as a protest vote.
So I know you are right in what you are saying.
I wished I’d voted Conservative now. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:05 - Sep 9 with 2904 views | Benters |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 21:35 - Sep 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Watching him on Laura K this morning, I'd say Starmer's Labour stands for doing things properly, for long term gain, even if unpopular in the short term. That'll do for me. We haven't seen a government doing things properly for the long term benefit (of the country rather than themselves and their mates and staying in power) for decades. In my lifetime, probably. |
Like giving all his union mates lovely big pay rises do you mean?
I mean £70k for a train driver doing a 4 day week. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:44 - Sep 9 with 2854 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 21:35 - Sep 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Watching him on Laura K this morning, I'd say Starmer's Labour stands for doing things properly, for long term gain, even if unpopular in the short term. That'll do for me. We haven't seen a government doing things properly for the long term benefit (of the country rather than themselves and their mates and staying in power) for decades. In my lifetime, probably. |
I don’t disagree about the grown up politics. I’m not clear on what things they want to do properly. It’s a hugely different approach to Blair for example (“education, education, education”, etc). So far their policy ideas seem a bit vague. The idea they’re communicating most clearly is more austerity and ruling out joining a customs union with the EU. It’s all negative. I’d like to know what they believe in (beyond not wanting to scare off voters). | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:30 - Sep 9 with 2803 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:05 - Sep 9 by Benters |
Like giving all his union mates lovely big pay rises do you mean?
I mean £70k for a train driver doing a 4 day week. |
What are you talking about? Where has he given all his union mates lovely big pay rises? They gave a pay rise to teachers and NHS staff, both of which I agree with. Where's the evidence he has loads of union mates anyway, are you sure you're not thinking of Corbyn?
People have moaned about NOT getting pay rises for YEARS ...as soon as some of our most important and hard working people get them, you're complaining.
If it's true that a train driver gets £70k for doing a 4 day week (I don't have any facts to hand) then maybe you should train to be one rather than complaining about it! | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:34 - Sep 9 with 2783 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:44 - Sep 9 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t disagree about the grown up politics. I’m not clear on what things they want to do properly. It’s a hugely different approach to Blair for example (“education, education, education”, etc). So far their policy ideas seem a bit vague. The idea they’re communicating most clearly is more austerity and ruling out joining a customs union with the EU. It’s all negative. I’d like to know what they believe in (beyond not wanting to scare off voters). |
"I’m not clear on what things they want to do properly."
Everything!
We've had a joke of a government fudging things for years, kicking problems down the road, or downright corruptly funnelling money to their mates. There might have to be some austerity if people want the country fixed rather than more of the same sweeping problems under the carpet (at best). | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:17 - Sep 9 with 2708 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:34 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"I’m not clear on what things they want to do properly."
Everything!
We've had a joke of a government fudging things for years, kicking problems down the road, or downright corruptly funnelling money to their mates. There might have to be some austerity if people want the country fixed rather than more of the same sweeping problems under the carpet (at best). |
You seem to have forgotten about the mess the country was in in 2010. Forgotten the note left by Liam Byrne, chief secretary of the treasury.
The current situation is far worse than it should have been, in part due to an incompetent opposition at the previous election which gifted the Conservatives a large majority.
Swansea is right most of us have no idea what we have elected and Starmer’s start doesn’t encourage confidence. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:19 - Sep 9 with 2678 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:34 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"I’m not clear on what things they want to do properly."
Everything!
We've had a joke of a government fudging things for years, kicking problems down the road, or downright corruptly funnelling money to their mates. There might have to be some austerity if people want the country fixed rather than more of the same sweeping problems under the carpet (at best). |
Conservative austerity bad, Labour austerity good....is there a difference ? |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:34 - Sep 9 with 2600 views | Blueschev |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 21:35 - Sep 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Watching him on Laura K this morning, I'd say Starmer's Labour stands for doing things properly, for long term gain, even if unpopular in the short term. That'll do for me. We haven't seen a government doing things properly for the long term benefit (of the country rather than themselves and their mates and staying in power) for decades. In my lifetime, probably. |
So he sounded as though they stand for vague soundbites a cliches? Sounds about right unfortunately. |  | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:40 - Sep 9 with 2545 views | Benters |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:30 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What are you talking about? Where has he given all his union mates lovely big pay rises? They gave a pay rise to teachers and NHS staff, both of which I agree with. Where's the evidence he has loads of union mates anyway, are you sure you're not thinking of Corbyn?
People have moaned about NOT getting pay rises for YEARS ...as soon as some of our most important and hard working people get them, you're complaining.
If it's true that a train driver gets £70k for doing a 4 day week (I don't have any facts to hand) then maybe you should train to be one rather than complaining about it! |
If I had my time again I wouldn’t have minded doing that it looks a nice life to me,people waving at you as you go past hill and dale,under bridges etc.Even now I wave at the engine driver as he crosses the footpaths of Benters,they mostly wave and if you are lucky they sound their horn.
My time chasing the money has ended ba. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:43 - Sep 9 with 2511 views | Blueschev |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:40 - Sep 9 by Benters |
If I had my time again I wouldn’t have minded doing that it looks a nice life to me,people waving at you as you go past hill and dale,under bridges etc.Even now I wave at the engine driver as he crosses the footpaths of Benters,they mostly wave and if you are lucky they sound their horn.
My time chasing the money has ended ba. |
I'd expect there's a bit more to driving a train than re-enacting the intro to Thomas the Tank Engine. | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:47 - Sep 9 with 2475 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:17 - Sep 9 by Pinewoodblue |
You seem to have forgotten about the mess the country was in in 2010. Forgotten the note left by Liam Byrne, chief secretary of the treasury.
The current situation is far worse than it should have been, in part due to an incompetent opposition at the previous election which gifted the Conservatives a large majority.
Swansea is right most of us have no idea what we have elected and Starmer’s start doesn’t encourage confidence. |
I haven't forgotten the note. What you don't seem to know is it's a joke note the outgoing minister traditionally leaves for an incomer when a government changes after an election. David Laws, the Lib Dem who released the note, has apologised to Liam Byrne for weaponising it.
Unfortunately these things get out into the public and the facts get lost. You're not alone in not knowing it's a long running joke that has been done many times and 2010 just happens to be the first time it was released. The weaponising of it clearly worked!
The election before the last election is a long way in the past, nothing we can do about that now, and Starmer has turned the party around completely since then. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:50 - Sep 9 with 2449 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:19 - Sep 9 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Conservative austerity bad, Labour austerity good....is there a difference ? |
Labour have no choice but to introduce some. Unless, of course, you think we should just kick the problems into the long grass like the Tories always did?
But what will help is we won't now be ploughing billions into companies not equipped to make what we're asking them to. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:51 - Sep 9 with 2446 views | Benters |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:43 - Sep 9 by Blueschev |
I'd expect there's a bit more to driving a train than re-enacting the intro to Thomas the Tank Engine. |
It can’t be that hard can it you don’t have to steer or anything.There are signs on the railway to tell you of what speed you should be going at etc.
In Benters central station there is a marker on the platform to tell you where to stop.I’d say driving an articulated lorry is harder. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:54 - Sep 9 with 2419 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:40 - Sep 9 by Benters |
If I had my time again I wouldn’t have minded doing that it looks a nice life to me,people waving at you as you go past hill and dale,under bridges etc.Even now I wave at the engine driver as he crosses the footpaths of Benters,they mostly wave and if you are lucky they sound their horn.
My time chasing the money has ended ba. |
Well that bit sounds nice. A very small proportion, that, though. And they don't earn £70k. Some facts for you;
"In the United Kingdom, the average salary for a train driver is £57,796 per year, with an average additional cash compensation of £2,802. However, salaries can vary depending on the role, with freight train drivers earning an average of £44,418.
Here are some other things to know about train driver salaries:
Starting salary: Train drivers can expect to start with an average salary of £30,000.
Overtime: Avanti pays train drivers £600 per shift for overtime.
Training: The training process for train drivers includes 16 weeks of classroom learning and practical learning on how to drive a train.
Working conditions: Train drivers work a four-day shift pattern, with an average of 154 rest days a year. They are also entitled to a minimum 20 days' statutory annual leave on top of the eight bank holidays.
Safety: Train drivers' salaries are partly due to physical and mental health danger money, as they are the first to die in an accident." | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:56 - Sep 9 with 2409 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:34 - Sep 9 by Blueschev |
So he sounded as though they stand for vague soundbites a cliches? Sounds about right unfortunately. |
You're so used to Tory soundbites you think everything's one. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:58 - Sep 9 with 2402 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:51 - Sep 9 by Benters |
It can’t be that hard can it you don’t have to steer or anything.There are signs on the railway to tell you of what speed you should be going at etc.
In Benters central station there is a marker on the platform to tell you where to stop.I’d say driving an articulated lorry is harder. |
That's how they drive trains in cartoons Benters. Meanwhile, in the real world... | |
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