| Labour Party and Kier Starmer 07:25 - Sep 3 with 47423 views | onceablue |
I just woke up from a nightmare where Kier Starmer and his Girlfriend Rachael Reeves were in charge of the country
Oh f@ck
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:03 - Sep 3 with 2377 views | WeWereZombies |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:52 - Sep 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“The counttry is in a mess, but it is so easy to blame the politicians for everything - noyt enough people contribute to driving positive change in their communities, it's easier to sit behind a keyboard and moan.”
In fairness to poster above our voting system is atrocious, all too often people’s votes do not count. In mine, the local Tory gets around 75pc of the vote, so there’s little motivation to turn up and pop a cross in there. Whoever you vote for, it’s a grossly unfair system that guarantees mediocrity and power to the two main parties.
We’ve swapped bigoted, corrupt and incompetent, for the merely incompetent. Perhaps that’s a harsh assessment, and Stamer needs more time - but taking away the WFA from pensioners who were already struggling to heat their homes isn’t a good start. I say that as someone a long way from retirement- but I’m sure we all have family impacted by that. |
The proposal, as I understand it, is to take the winter fuel allowance away from pensioners who are not receiving a means tested benefit (such as attendance allowance) but retaining the winter fuel allowance for those who genuinely need it. As a pensioner who is not too badly off I have always felt a bit guilty on receiving this allowance so, whilst I am not jumping for joy about getting less money, I see the proposal as fair enough. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:08 - Sep 3 with 2324 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:00 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
Sorry I will rephrase that
66 out of 100 people who voted agree with me |
LOL, cry harder, snowflake. You lost, get over it, it's the Will Of The People that the bigoted, corrupt, incompetent and criminally inclined Tories are out of office. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:08 - Sep 3 with 2338 views | onceablue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:44 - Sep 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
More people didn't vote for the Tories than didn't vote for Labour. So how you make it that 66 people out of a hundred agree with you is beyond me.
See also: Guthers' replies. You haven't thought this through. |
What makes you think I voted Tory and I didn’t vote reform either
My point is 66 people out of a 100 that voted did not vote Labour
So as I didn’t vote Labour and 66 people per 100 also didn’t vote Labour there is a common theme between me and the 66 people
What is so difficult to understand about that | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:09 - Sep 3 with 2331 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:03 - Sep 3 by WeWereZombies |
The proposal, as I understand it, is to take the winter fuel allowance away from pensioners who are not receiving a means tested benefit (such as attendance allowance) but retaining the winter fuel allowance for those who genuinely need it. As a pensioner who is not too badly off I have always felt a bit guilty on receiving this allowance so, whilst I am not jumping for joy about getting less money, I see the proposal as fair enough. |
I don’t have an issue with it being means tested per se, but the threshold is too low. Especially for anybody who was self employed and has a small amount on top of the miserly state pension. People with substantial civil service pensions or good private ones then it makes sense. There are people who were already struggling to get by. They will now probably need help from family. | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:10 - Sep 3 with 2321 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:00 - Sep 3 by baxterbasics |
I didn't vote for them (or more accurately, for their party) but after major disillusionment with the last lot I was resigned to giving them a fair shot.
So far my main impression is that they are focussed on what they can ban, how many they can throw in jail, and finding new and imaginative ways to tax us.
Not encouraging really. |
Oh I dunno, there's the apparent prospect of a new round of kicking the poor coming up in the budget, which should appeal to the average Tory. [Post edited 3 Sep 2024 16:00]
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:13 - Sep 3 with 2324 views | onceablue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:08 - Sep 3 by BlueBadger |
LOL, cry harder, snowflake. You lost, get over it, it's the Will Of The People that the bigoted, corrupt, incompetent and criminally inclined Tories are out of office. |
It is the will of 33 people out of 100 lets be honest as you seem to have put honesty at the forefront of your argument | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:16 - Sep 3 with 2307 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:08 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
What makes you think I voted Tory and I didn’t vote reform either
My point is 66 people out of a 100 that voted did not vote Labour
So as I didn’t vote Labour and 66 people per 100 also didn’t vote Labour there is a common theme between me and the 66 people
What is so difficult to understand about that |
I think most people are thinking you voted Tory or Reform due to you turning out to mount this feeble defence of violent nazi criminals.
These riots throughout the country by onceablue 3 Aug 2024 8:58Are really inappropriate and awful but I can’t help feeling that Kier Starmer isn’t helping the situation
There have have been lots of violent instances recently but comments differ so drastically from Starmer depending on who is doing the rioting.
The people rioting in Leeds were not called violent thugs by Starmer although setting fire to police car and bus
The people who attacked the police at Manchester Airport were not called violent thugs by Starmer
In fact Starmer defended them
Yet if the indigenous population protest they are called violent thugs
If you set fire to a police car and attack the police you are a violent thug regardless of your origin and you should be called so
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:19 - Sep 3 with 2308 views | WeWereZombies |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:00 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
Sorry I will rephrase that
66 out of 100 people who voted agree with me |
You're going to push me into bringing up René Descartes' problem of other minds if you keep on going on like this... | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:26 - Sep 3 with 2298 views | blueasfook |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:03 - Sep 3 by WeWereZombies |
The proposal, as I understand it, is to take the winter fuel allowance away from pensioners who are not receiving a means tested benefit (such as attendance allowance) but retaining the winter fuel allowance for those who genuinely need it. As a pensioner who is not too badly off I have always felt a bit guilty on receiving this allowance so, whilst I am not jumping for joy about getting less money, I see the proposal as fair enough. |
I think if you're a comfortably well off pensioner, then fine. The issue I think is for those pensioners who have just enough of a pension income not to qualify for means tested benefits. For those people, losing the winter fuel payment will mean a lot. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:28 - Sep 3 with 2287 views | meekreech |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:13 - Sep 3 by GlasgowBlue |
That’s irrelevant. The country was crying out for change and the Conservative government was well past its sell by date.
I’m a lifelong Conservative who voted Labour. I’m going to disagree with quite a lot that Starmer introduces but the one thing the country needed was decency and honesty, and he will provide that.
The Tories need at least ten years in opposition in order to try and figure out what they actually stand for, which towards the end seemed to be staying in power for powers sake and not introducing any meaningful policies. |
Kier Starmer is the last person to be expected to bring honesty and integrity to this government. He is already demonstrating his contempt for the country by placing his own personal supporters in positions of power in the civil service where they are able to politicise the departments . He has been shown in the past he is not a man who can be relied on to do the right things for the country. His time as dpp was a disaster with his judgement on what and who should be prosecuted or protected. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:31 - Sep 3 with 2281 views | BloomBlue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:03 - Sep 3 by WeWereZombies |
The proposal, as I understand it, is to take the winter fuel allowance away from pensioners who are not receiving a means tested benefit (such as attendance allowance) but retaining the winter fuel allowance for those who genuinely need it. As a pensioner who is not too badly off I have always felt a bit guilty on receiving this allowance so, whilst I am not jumping for joy about getting less money, I see the proposal as fair enough. |
As an OAP myself and fortunately in a financial position not to need the fuel allowance, I think the issue is there are thousands, poss millions, just above the means tested benefit threshold.
But two things I find strange, maybe unfair.
1, When the Tories basically means tested the free TV license for over 75s, the Labour party went mad and condemned the fact it was means tested, and it demonstrated the Tories dont care - what's the difference now.
2, the winter fuel allowance was introduced by Brown's Labour government. Why is a Labour government removing a Labour government policy.
The issue will really come when the cold winter hits and pensioners die from the cold, and it will happen - heat or eat. |  | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:35 - Sep 3 with 2270 views | onceablue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:16 - Sep 3 by BlueBadger |
I think most people are thinking you voted Tory or Reform due to you turning out to mount this feeble defence of violent nazi criminals.
These riots throughout the country by onceablue 3 Aug 2024 8:58Are really inappropriate and awful but I can’t help feeling that Kier Starmer isn’t helping the situation
There have have been lots of violent instances recently but comments differ so drastically from Starmer depending on who is doing the rioting.
The people rioting in Leeds were not called violent thugs by Starmer although setting fire to police car and bus
The people who attacked the police at Manchester Airport were not called violent thugs by Starmer
In fact Starmer defended them
Yet if the indigenous population protest they are called violent thugs
If you set fire to a police car and attack the police you are a violent thug regardless of your origin and you should be called so
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If you read that post correctly I confirmed That I thought the riots were inappropriate and awful and I certainly wasn’t defending the people involved in them.
My point was there were other incidents going on at the time ie, the riots in Leeds where the people involved were not described as violent thugs.
If you read the last line of that post I clearly state anyone rioting is a violent thug. | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:37 - Sep 3 with 2258 views | Guthrum |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:00 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
Sorry I will rephrase that
66 out of 100 people who voted agree with me |
What about people who voted tactically (for LibDem, or Green) to exclude a Conservative candidate and ensure an overall Labour victory? |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:44 - Sep 3 with 2244 views | Guthrum |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:09 - Sep 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I don’t have an issue with it being means tested per se, but the threshold is too low. Especially for anybody who was self employed and has a small amount on top of the miserly state pension. People with substantial civil service pensions or good private ones then it makes sense. There are people who were already struggling to get by. They will now probably need help from family. |
The issue is to set up a new and separate means-testing framework and system will take time and money. Or it gets subcontracted to the kind of people who run the brutal assessments for sickness/disability benefits. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:09 - Sep 3 with 2201 views | davblue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:54 - Sep 3 by BlueBadger |
What is it you liked best about the Tories? The crashed economies, the ruined public services, the bigotry, the corruption, the incompetence or the criminality? |
i know, what a great party! Labour was worth a roll of the dice without a shadow of doubt, the people who fail to see past the end of their nose, can't see that Tories have put the country in this position quite deliberately.
They aren't going to turn this around in 2 months, it's going to be a slog at times but i hope they do, do it as the country will hopefully be in a better place for it. |  | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:09 - Sep 3 with 2203 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:35 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
If you read that post correctly I confirmed That I thought the riots were inappropriate and awful and I certainly wasn’t defending the people involved in them.
My point was there were other incidents going on at the time ie, the riots in Leeds where the people involved were not described as violent thugs.
If you read the last line of that post I clearly state anyone rioting is a violent thug. |
Yes, I've seen this same line being spread by the right wing media for some reason. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/starmers-response-to-thug-riots-raises-sever
It seems a desperate attempt to politically discredit Starmer. On the one hand he's describing the perpetrators as "thugs" and on the other he's responding to the incidents as "shocking and disgraceful". I don't see how you can draw further conclusions from either of those statements. As for the supposed two-tier approach people also go on about, at, least 20 arrests for arson and violent disorder were made after the Leeds riots. I haven't seen details of the sentencing, but the initial response was swift. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:22 - Sep 3 with 2143 views | Vegtablue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:08 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
What makes you think I voted Tory and I didn’t vote reform either
My point is 66 people out of a 100 that voted did not vote Labour
So as I didn’t vote Labour and 66 people per 100 also didn’t vote Labour there is a common theme between me and the 66 people
What is so difficult to understand about that |
What value does it add would be my question? We know you hold minority political views because Labour received the largest vote share and the majority of the electorate voted. We also know that no party has won over 50% of the vote since the 1930s, and that you need to travel back 93 years for when the majority of the electorate last voted for a single party. Therefore, are you making the case for electoral reform, which many are sympathetic to across the political divide, or are you rather making a pointless, throwaway comment because you are annoyed with the democratic outcome on this occasion? | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:42 - Sep 3 with 2093 views | NthQldITFC |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:08 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
What makes you think I voted Tory and I didn’t vote reform either
My point is 66 people out of a 100 that voted did not vote Labour
So as I didn’t vote Labour and 66 people per 100 also didn’t vote Labour there is a common theme between me and the 66 people
What is so difficult to understand about that |
There's nothing difficult to understand about it, it's just that it's a bit of an oblique angle to be having a tantrum from. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:03 - Sep 3 with 2022 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:03 - Sep 3 by WeWereZombies |
The proposal, as I understand it, is to take the winter fuel allowance away from pensioners who are not receiving a means tested benefit (such as attendance allowance) but retaining the winter fuel allowance for those who genuinely need it. As a pensioner who is not too badly off I have always felt a bit guilty on receiving this allowance so, whilst I am not jumping for joy about getting less money, I see the proposal as fair enough. |
Attendance Allowance is not means tested.
The problem is while some of us won’t miss the winter fuel allowance there are, I suspect, several million who will. It could at least have been tapered with a lower payment for those with an income a couple of thousand over the the pension credit limit.
Hopefully this will corrected with next months budget. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:09 - Sep 3 with 1996 views | WeWereZombies |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:03 - Sep 3 by Pinewoodblue |
Attendance Allowance is not means tested.
The problem is while some of us won’t miss the winter fuel allowance there are, I suspect, several million who will. It could at least have been tapered with a lower payment for those with an income a couple of thousand over the the pension credit limit.
Hopefully this will corrected with next months budget. |
Apologies, I was on the Money Savings Expert website as this thread unfolded and I took a quick squint at 'what benefits can pensioners claim ?' picking out the first item on the list. Should have been more diligent and picked out Pension Credit.
[Edit: And in passing I noticed MSE claiming that twenty two billion pounds of benefits is going unclaimed so there are opportunities, maybe with the help of a Citizen's Advice Bureau, for pensioners to plug the gap that the Winter Fuel Allowance may leave. Although that won't help Reeves balance the books.] [Post edited 3 Sep 2024 12:12]
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:21 - Sep 3 with 1947 views | J2BLUE |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:13 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
It is the will of 33 people out of 100 lets be honest as you seem to have put honesty at the forefront of your argument |
Are you saying you would have preferred the Tories? |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:21 - Sep 3 with 1943 views | Leaky |
Hate these international breaks you end with threads like this. |  | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:22 - Sep 3 with 1933 views | onceablue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 11:42 - Sep 3 by NthQldITFC |
There's nothing difficult to understand about it, it's just that it's a bit of an oblique angle to be having a tantrum from. |
What from a factual point of view you mean? | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:23 - Sep 3 with 1933 views | Dubtractor |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:21 - Sep 3 by Leaky |
Hate these international breaks you end with threads like this. |
Amen to this.
Pretty certain your politics are very different to mine, but we're def on the same page here. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:24 - Sep 3 with 1917 views | J2BLUE |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 12:23 - Sep 3 by Dubtractor |
Amen to this.
Pretty certain your politics are very different to mine, but we're def on the same page here. |
Fascist. | |
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