| Boat crossings now out of control 07:56 - Nov 12 with 16042 views | onceablue |
In the last 6 days 30 boats have arrived carrying 1806 people of which 1712 are men
It is now worse than under the previous government
This raises 2 questions
What are the labour government doing to stop this as they were adamant they could sort this ?
Unless all these men are single would you leave your wife and kids alone in a country where apparently there is persecution, war and lots of horrible things happening?
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:35 - Nov 12 with 1261 views | homer_123 |
"Unless all these men are single would you leave your wife and kids alone in a country where apparently there is persecution, war and lots of horrible things happening?"
I doubt you have lived their lives and have any idea of why they choose such a difficult and dangerous route.
That said, to directly answer your question. Money. They can't 'afford' to send their entire family. Once here though, they can earn, send monies back or arrange for their family to follow etc. |  |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:36 - Nov 12 with 1265 views | BlueBadger |
Imagine being so low down in the pecking order at the Russian troll factory that you work at that you're allocated to this place. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 22:54]
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:36 - Nov 12 with 1249 views | noggin |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:22 - Nov 12 by onceablue |
No I would rather they came via the legal route as many people do.
We would be lost without the many mainly women and men that I have come via the legal route and work in the care sector and NHS.
It’s funny how no one has answered the 2nd question of mine about leaving your wife and kids I know I couldn’t |
Legal routes? |  |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:39 - Nov 12 with 1238 views | Trequartista |
Where do you get the figures for 1712 being men? |  |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:41 - Nov 12 with 1235 views | Keno |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:22 - Nov 12 by onceablue |
No I would rather they came via the legal route as many people do.
We would be lost without the many mainly women and men that I have come via the legal route and work in the care sector and NHS.
It’s funny how no one has answered the 2nd question of mine about leaving your wife and kids I know I couldn’t |
so perhaps if the last government hadn't wasted an estimated £300mill on a plan that ultimately failed and concentrated on the proper scheme to create a reception area and processing system then people would be encouraged to enter legally.
In response to your '2nd point if you are going to make a sweeping generalisation without giving that any substance them why do you expect an answer?
For instance do you how many have left their family and how many are single? [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 10:00]
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:47 - Nov 12 with 1200 views | onceablue |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:41 - Nov 12 by Keno |
so perhaps if the last government hadn't wasted an estimated £300mill on a plan that ultimately failed and concentrated on the proper scheme to create a reception area and processing system then people would be encouraged to enter legally.
In response to your '2nd point if you are going to make a sweeping generalisation without giving that any substance them why do you expect an answer?
For instance do you how many have left their family and how many are single? [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 10:00]
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No but I know 1712 are men
Very good source within the system | | | |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:49 - Nov 12 with 1193 views | onceablue |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:33 - Nov 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Many are economic migrants and will be hoping to send money back to extended family. It is the market of desperate times and yeah you'd probably stay home ! |
But we are being told that they are desperate people fleeing persecution and now you are saying they are economic migrants
Make your mind up | | | |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:50 - Nov 12 with 1190 views | bluejacko |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2lk950y1gpo#:~:text=The%20Home%20Office%20h
Precedent has been set!
When you are all lucky enough to be at Portman Road look around and that is the No of illegal boat people that have arrived since Labour have been in power! The majority of which have destroyed their documents so we have not got a clue who they are or where they come from! [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 9:56]
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:50 - Nov 12 with 1188 views | onceablue |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:35 - Nov 12 by homer_123 |
"Unless all these men are single would you leave your wife and kids alone in a country where apparently there is persecution, war and lots of horrible things happening?"
I doubt you have lived their lives and have any idea of why they choose such a difficult and dangerous route.
That said, to directly answer your question. Money. They can't 'afford' to send their entire family. Once here though, they can earn, send monies back or arrange for their family to follow etc. |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:54 - Nov 12 with 1160 views | Guthrum |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:50 - Nov 12 by onceablue |
You mean benefits |
How does an illegal migrant claim benefits? It's hard enough for someone who is here on an official basis. |  |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:55 - Nov 12 with 1153 views | homer_123 |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:50 - Nov 12 by onceablue |
You mean benefits |
Tough to claim benefits if you are here illegally. | |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:57 - Nov 12 with 1143 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 08:34 - Nov 12 by lurcher |
Do they need to be stopped?
Lets just accept freedom of movement and get a trade deal with the EU
Plenty of empty minimum wage jobs. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 8:36]
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I sincerely doubt that most of them are EU passport holders!
Freedom of Movement only applies to citizens of EU member States, and some adjacent States who have chosen to opt into the Schengen Agreement.
While I did vote for Labour at the General Election, I am not an uncritical supporter of Starmer, but if it were possible for any Government to solve this complex problem, made worse by the damage Brexit has done to our relationships with European States when an international approach is essential, within six months, then the first question that should be asked is "Why the f*** did the previous lot not do that?"
The answer is that it's a serious problem, requiring hard work, time and building relationships of trust with many other nations. The previous Prime Minister's included two who weren't serious people, came in and out of office so didn't have time, and put rhetoric and "Ra! Ra!" Nationalism ahead of building alliances with other nations.
Oh, and possibly wanted the problem to persist so that we could all blame illegal immigrants for things like housing shortages and hospital waiting lists, rather than the austerity policies which they have deliberately wielded to destroy public services and other key strands of our social fabric. | | | |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:57 - Nov 12 with 1144 views | Zapers |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:54 - Nov 12 by Guthrum |
How does an illegal migrant claim benefits? It's hard enough for someone who is here on an official basis. |
I'm sure there will be several posters telling you are wrong, they are not illegal, they are asylum seekers. | | | |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:01 - Nov 12 with 1101 views | leitrimblue |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:47 - Nov 12 by onceablue |
No but I know 1712 are men
Very good source within the system |
'Very good source within the system'.
Luckily I'm fluent in right wing chancer speak so I can translate this. I believe it's right wing chancer speak for - I made it up  |  | | |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:03 - Nov 12 with 1079 views | homer_123 |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:57 - Nov 12 by Zapers |
I'm sure there will be several posters telling you are wrong, they are not illegal, they are asylum seekers. |
Indeed, a whooping £40 odd quid a week or around £10 if the accommodation you are in provides meals. | |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:04 - Nov 12 with 1063 views | homer_123 |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:39 - Nov 12 by Trequartista |
Where do you get the figures for 1712 being men? |
[licks finger and raises it towards the sky] | |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:12 - Nov 12 with 1018 views | blueasfook |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:03 - Nov 12 by homer_123 |
Indeed, a whooping £40 odd quid a week or around £10 if the accommodation you are in provides meals. |
Conveniently ignoring the several hundred quid a week it costs to house them in a hotel. |  |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:20 - Nov 12 with 967 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Relax - winter is coming
Guardian readers on here might wet themselves when there’s a bit of bad weather - but it stops desperate people seeking a better life on the high seas. | |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:24 - Nov 12 with 951 views | Guthrum |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:57 - Nov 12 by Zapers |
I'm sure there will be several posters telling you are wrong, they are not illegal, they are asylum seekers. |
There is a considerable overlap, because of the difficulties in claiming asylum in the UK without smuggling oneself into the country (or having sufficient funds). | |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:25 - Nov 12 with 941 views | LeoMuff |
So crossings are actually down significantly on last year, and enforced returns up significantly all only 4 months in to a Labour government.
What’s not to like ? Sounds like progress is being made. Hopefully arrangements being made with Macron to make further progress. |  |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:46 - Nov 12 with 859 views | onceablue |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:01 - Nov 12 by leitrimblue |
'Very good source within the system'.
Luckily I'm fluent in right wing chancer speak so I can translate this. I believe it's right wing chancer speak for - I made it up |
It is a very reliable source.
You only have to look at the people getting off the boats to know that the majority are men. | | | |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:47 - Nov 12 with 854 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:54 - Nov 12 by Guthrum |
How does an illegal migrant claim benefits? It's hard enough for someone who is here on an official basis. |
And an asylum seeker who is being assessed only receives £49.18 for each person in their household. And that is loaded onto a card.
If their accommodation provides meals then they get a measly £8.86 for each person in their household instead. |  |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:53 - Nov 12 with 811 views | eireblue |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 09:22 - Nov 12 by onceablue |
No I would rather they came via the legal route as many people do.
We would be lost without the many mainly women and men that I have come via the legal route and work in the care sector and NHS.
It’s funny how no one has answered the 2nd question of mine about leaving your wife and kids I know I couldn’t |
They don’t leave there wife and kids.
The demographics of displaced people is in line with the general population.
Women and children tend to die more easily in harsher conditions, so the population that would end up in the North of France would be skewed by that.
Women and children also tend to stay in refugee camps, rather than risking death.
Shame that people like Trump abandoned 20 Million or so women and children to the Taliban.
You must have been fuming about that at the time. Shame you weren’t around to post about it back then. [Post edited 12 Nov 2024 11:04]
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 11:00 - Nov 12 with 779 views | Keno |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:46 - Nov 12 by onceablue |
It is a very reliable source.
You only have to look at the people getting off the boats to know that the majority are men. |
They could be Algerian boxers?
By way you havent replied to my point replying to your point that you were so concerned that no one had replied to that pointed out several times it hadn't been replied to | |
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| Boat crossings now out of control on 11:00 - Nov 12 with 778 views | homer_123 |
| Boat crossings now out of control on 10:46 - Nov 12 by onceablue |
It is a very reliable source.
You only have to look at the people getting off the boats to know that the majority are men. |
Are you greeting them as they come ashore? | |
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