| If we had a manager change 2 months ago 17:35 - Feb 22 with 3194 views | Hipsterectomy |
Say a Moyes, Dyche etc and we ended up staying up, would you have taken that over going down with McKenna (who will almost certainly leave us in the summer anyway - survival or not)?
I’m not saying I want him to go, and will go on record for saying I don’t and dread when he eventually leaves, just posing the question. It’s well known we would never sack him and he was on one of the best contracts in the league.
Also obviously the other sides about to be relegated have also sacked managers and it hasn’t worked. It’s purely hypothetical to see how much people would want to stay in this league for at least another season
Parting with McKenna and playing Dyche ball for a handful of 1-0s to keep us up, would personally ruin everything we’ve built over the past few seasons, yet teams like Brighton seem that ruthless to do that to survive here (and did that). |  |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:37 - Feb 22 with 2659 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
Nah he earned a crack at it, I don’t want us to become a merry go round club. He’s made mistakes but he’s still learning. |  |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:40 - Feb 22 with 2613 views | JackNorthStand |
Nah, replacing McKenna would’ve ripped the heart out of our club. It’s not what we are about. |  | | |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:40 - Feb 22 with 2607 views | J2BLUE |
No. Where do you think McKenna is going to go? His stock was at its highest in the summer. If we go down I can't see a Premier League side coming in for him. He will get to the top but I think he will be here for another season or at the very least start next season with us. |  |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:40 - Feb 22 with 2606 views | Trequartista |
I don't think McKenna will certainly leave us in the summer if we go down. The appointment of Kompany from Burnley does seem to be the exception rather than the rule. Not sure there would be the same clamour for him as there was last summer. [Post edited 22 Feb 17:40]
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:40 - Feb 22 with 2607 views | TractorFrog |
I don’t think McKenna will leave if we go down. He would have signed more Premier League experience than championship players to go back up like Jack Clarke, Jacob Greaves and Jaden Philogene if he wasn’t planning to stick around.
Also changing the manager would have been an insane move. |  |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:42 - Feb 22 with 2556 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:40 - Feb 22 by JackNorthStand |
Nah, replacing McKenna would’ve ripped the heart out of our club. It’s not what we are about. |
Loyalty works 2 ways and he isn't jumping ship at the first offer that comes his way.
It will also help sell the project to whoever comes after him when he finally does go.
There are no guarantees that even a Moyse etc would have kept us up. |  |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:43 - Feb 22 with 2535 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:40 - Feb 22 by J2BLUE |
No. Where do you think McKenna is going to go? His stock was at its highest in the summer. If we go down I can't see a Premier League side coming in for him. He will get to the top but I think he will be here for another season or at the very least start next season with us. |
My worry is that we will have a manager on £5m per year in the Championship.
Given how desperate MA was to keep him, is there a relegation clause in there?
Hope so. |  |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:46 - Feb 22 with 2483 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Everton are the exception to the rule on swapping managers halfway through the season. They appointed well, with an experienced manager who is known and loved by the fan base, and respected as a manager in his own right.
Leicester, Southampton and Man Utd have not seen any serious improvement, and the jury is still out on Wolves.
I don't think we would have found a manager to do any better than KMcK has done this season, and given his connection to the the players, the ethos, team spirit, etc, there's no way I would want another manager at the helm, unless any of those positives change or Kieran decides to leave.
It isn't really broken, so to speak, so we shouldn't fix it. We simply aren't ready to challenge competitively in the PL this season. [Post edited 22 Feb 17:47]
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:49 - Feb 22 with 2434 views | Mullet |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:42 - Feb 22 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Loyalty works 2 ways and he isn't jumping ship at the first offer that comes his way.
It will also help sell the project to whoever comes after him when he finally does go.
There are no guarantees that even a Moyse etc would have kept us up. |
Technically he was. It was our offer each time that kept him here. |  |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:52 - Feb 22 with 2367 views | jasondozzell |
He's our manager and one to be proud of. Staying in this league wouldn't mean anything without him. |  | | |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:00 - Feb 22 with 2288 views | Sarge |
No. I’m personally unbothered about staying in the PL. It’s boring to watch for the most part, hardly ever at 3pm on a Saturday, and designed purely as an entertainment product for foreign TV audiences to the detriment of all of us.
I’m glad we stuck with KM and gave him the chance that he earned. I hope that if we have to replace him next season it’s for a similar style. Not functional hoofball designed to grind out a win. | | | |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:04 - Feb 22 with 2243 views | Hipsterectomy |
Thanks for the replies. Wasn’t honestly trying to stir the pot or anything. Just wondered if fans would rather we be ruthless like Brighton/Forest etc were to stay up at all costs.
I personally wouldn’t have enjoyed it if we’d parted with McKenna, stayed up this season, to begin a depressing slog again next season without him. | |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:07 - Feb 22 with 2200 views | Smoresy |
I think we're significantly different to Wolves or Everton in terms of quality, which is why there's been no suggestion of managerial change inside or outside the club. Maybe there are more effective tactics available for our current situation, wouldn't argue that McKenna is playing our absolute best hand (views on this are matters of speculation, we can't see the alternate universes). But I don't believe the squad in as a false position or being significantly held back from its potential. | | | |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:12 - Feb 22 with 2146 views | Scuzzer |
No. Not bothered about staying in this stinking plastic league. |  |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:21 - Feb 22 with 2066 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
"McKenna (who will almost certainly leave us in the summer anyway - survival or not)"
What evidence do you have for this assertion? |  |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:24 - Feb 22 with 2025 views | WeirdFishes |
If the question is we are 100% guaranteed to stay up? For me it’s a no brainer, yes. I adore McKenna but no one is bigger then the club, why would you not? |  |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:29 - Feb 22 with 1972 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:24 - Feb 22 by WeirdFishes |
If the question is we are 100% guaranteed to stay up? For me it’s a no brainer, yes. I adore McKenna but no one is bigger then the club, why would you not? |
Because I'd rather build for the future and stick to the plan which is, in the bigger picture, working. We got promoted quicker than expected and are now understandably finding it a struggle. That's not reason enough to rip up the plans. | |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:42 - Feb 22 with 1895 views | NeedhamChris |
I would have taken it
Ignoring my personal hatred of the modern day PL product, choosing relegation whatever the level is madness so PL survival all day long | |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:42 - Feb 22 with 1897 views | MattinLondon |
Considering what KM has done for the club he fully deserves to stay in-post until the end of the season. And to have a fair crack of coming back up next season ( if we are relegated and he wants to stay).
I do think that a lot of people forget that KM is still quite an inexperienced young manager and will make mistakes. Worst case scenario we go down - we will regroup and take it from there. |  | | |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:47 - Feb 22 with 1846 views | NeedhamChris |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:29 - Feb 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Because I'd rather build for the future and stick to the plan which is, in the bigger picture, working. We got promoted quicker than expected and are now understandably finding it a struggle. That's not reason enough to rip up the plans. |
I don't think we can say with confidence that is the case until we bounce back next season. | |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:47 - Feb 22 with 1844 views | WeirdFishes |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:29 - Feb 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Because I'd rather build for the future and stick to the plan which is, in the bigger picture, working. We got promoted quicker than expected and are now understandably finding it a struggle. That's not reason enough to rip up the plans. |
I’d say being in the PL is always giving us a better position to building for the future. | |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:50 - Feb 22 with 1809 views | ITFC_Forever |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:00 - Feb 22 by Sarge |
No. I’m personally unbothered about staying in the PL. It’s boring to watch for the most part, hardly ever at 3pm on a Saturday, and designed purely as an entertainment product for foreign TV audiences to the detriment of all of us.
I’m glad we stuck with KM and gave him the chance that he earned. I hope that if we have to replace him next season it’s for a similar style. Not functional hoofball designed to grind out a win. |
There’ll be less Saturday 3pm games next season if we go down…. |  |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:55 - Feb 22 with 1760 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:47 - Feb 22 by WeirdFishes |
I’d say being in the PL is always giving us a better position to building for the future. |
The recruitment process has to be much more diligent if we ever come up again. There’s no way we should have paid some of these fees for Muric, O’Shea, Phillogene, Clarke and even Smzodics. We’ve been done up like a kipper. | |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 19:06 - Feb 22 with 1693 views | WeirdFishes |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 18:55 - Feb 22 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
The recruitment process has to be much more diligent if we ever come up again. There’s no way we should have paid some of these fees for Muric, O’Shea, Phillogene, Clarke and even Smzodics. We’ve been done up like a kipper. |
I agree 100%, only Delap and O’Shea are in the good signing category for me. | |
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| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 19:41 - Feb 22 with 1557 views | stonojnr |
| If we had a manager change 2 months ago on 17:46 - Feb 22 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Everton are the exception to the rule on swapping managers halfway through the season. They appointed well, with an experienced manager who is known and loved by the fan base, and respected as a manager in his own right.
Leicester, Southampton and Man Utd have not seen any serious improvement, and the jury is still out on Wolves.
I don't think we would have found a manager to do any better than KMcK has done this season, and given his connection to the the players, the ethos, team spirit, etc, there's no way I would want another manager at the helm, unless any of those positives change or Kieran decides to leave.
It isn't really broken, so to speak, so we shouldn't fix it. We simply aren't ready to challenge competitively in the PL this season. [Post edited 22 Feb 17:47]
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Fwiw Everton were always the team just playing themselves into trouble, rather than a team losing and playing well. They should never be flirting with relegation anyway
So a more disciplined approach to games they win or don't lose closer games and the points move them out of trouble. | | | |
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