| Like any business that is failing 08:35 - Feb 27 with 10677 views | muccletonjoe |
The Americans at gamechanger will not continue to bankroll a team that is failing.
Revenue will take a hit next year along with the clubs profile. It is pretty obvious they will be looking at McKenna , even though he has been the main reason behind our success to date.
I can't see too many bigger clubs knocking at the door like last summer, the questions will be asked about recruitment and the tactics employed. While it would have been a remarkable feat to stay in Premier league, if our form continues in the championship, things need to change pretty quickly. We know the fall can be quicker than the rise in football. |  | | |  |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:37 - Feb 27 with 5864 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Why are you talking about our form continuing in the championship? Absolutely no evidence for that. |  |
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| It’s impossible….. on 08:40 - Feb 27 with 5832 views | Bloots |
….for our fall to be quicker than our rise.
Just saying. |  |
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| Like any business that is failing on 08:41 - Feb 27 with 5800 views | FromReuserWithLove |
We are 'failing' on the pitch this season for sure but in terms of any business projection the owners may have, we are years ahead of schedule and business is better than they could ever have imagined. |  | | |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:41 - Feb 27 with 5805 views | muccletonjoe |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:37 - Feb 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why are you talking about our form continuing in the championship? Absolutely no evidence for that. |
"If" our form continues in the championship. It's not a given we will be in top 6 . Look at Luton. None of us know who will be here next season. Could be a case of starting again. | | | |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:42 - Feb 27 with 5783 views | positivity |
they had a long term business plan which involved us getting up to the championship, then steadily building us into an established prem team.
they never expected it to happen in 2 years, they'll see it as part of the process, it may take more promotions and relegations to establish us |  |
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| Like any business that is failing on 08:43 - Feb 27 with 5767 views | muccletonjoe |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:41 - Feb 27 by FromReuserWithLove |
We are 'failing' on the pitch this season for sure but in terms of any business projection the owners may have, we are years ahead of schedule and business is better than they could ever have imagined. |
Really ? How much of this seasons outlay will they want to recoup ? They are not a charity | | | |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:45 - Feb 27 with 5712 views | NeedhamChris |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:41 - Feb 27 by muccletonjoe |
"If" our form continues in the championship. It's not a given we will be in top 6 . Look at Luton. None of us know who will be here next season. Could be a case of starting again. |
Flash doesn't permit hypothetical discussions - so unless you can foresee the future there's not really any point in engaging. | |
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| Like any business that is failing on 08:46 - Feb 27 with 5718 views | positivity |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:41 - Feb 27 by muccletonjoe |
"If" our form continues in the championship. It's not a given we will be in top 6 . Look at Luton. None of us know who will be here next season. Could be a case of starting again. |
for any chance of us to turn out like luton, we'll need to spend as luton did (already failed on that one) *and* get rid of mckenna. the americans are not stupid enough to do that | |
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| Like any business that is failing on 08:46 - Feb 27 with 5709 views | NthQldITFC |
'business that is failing' - wtf!?
Is the only definition of success continuous victory with no setbacks, no losses on the way to improvement?
What about a year by year balance sheet - how does that look?
Massive knee jerk. [Post edited 27 Feb 8:47]
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| Like any business that is failing on 08:50 - Feb 27 with 5668 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:43 - Feb 27 by muccletonjoe |
Really ? How much of this seasons outlay will they want to recoup ? They are not a charity |
They will be taking money out of the business based on new investment into the club from external partners.
Eg in March when they sold a 40% ownership stake worth 'up to £105m' to US private equity fund Bright Path Sports Partners. That investment saw ORG reduce its majority share from 90% to 50% and thus get 'paid out' on that 40% which they purchased in 2021 for a little under 20M. So a potential profit of 80+ million with the ability to extract the same again if they sold.
They won't be taking money out of the day to day running of the club! | | | |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:56 - Feb 27 with 5622 views | tractorboy1978 |
How are we "failing" as a business?
Off the pitch, we have arguably never been in a better place as a football club. Record high commercial revenues, shirt sales, average attendances, the community trust is thriving. We are soon to be building a state of the art training facility.
On the pitch, we got promoted ahead of schedule and their investment so far has seen an exponential, straight line positive return. It could not have gone any better for them at this point. Their business model would certainly have accounted for relegation this season as that was always the likely outcome. Thankfully, they have shown themselves to be more level headed and sensible than some div on a football forum. | | | |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:57 - Feb 27 with 5601 views | artsbossbeard |
Crivens.
Fans of their own sanity beware.
This place is best avoided today. |  |
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| Like any business that is failing on 08:58 - Feb 27 with 5589 views | _clive_baker_ |
They'll have a long term plan, and we're likely well ahead of it. I don't imagine anyone in their right mind buys a L1 club for £40m and expects it to establish in the Premier League 3 years later. |  | | |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:58 - Feb 27 with 5583 views | muccletonjoe |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:45 - Feb 27 by NeedhamChris |
Flash doesn't permit hypothetical discussions - so unless you can foresee the future there's not really any point in engaging. |
Nearly every discussion on here is hypothetical lol | | | |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:59 - Feb 27 with 5547 views | mistert |
I don't t think it's at all fair to say we're falling in a business sense. I don't believe we'll be saddled with an unmanageable wage bill if we go down. We've obviously increased the wage bill but surely it's still tiny by premier league standards? People look at the headline transfer fees but ignore the spend on wages, which is where you can really do yourself harm. It's way too early to say the model isn't working for us, you could actually say we've been very sensible but only time will tell. |  | | |
| Nah, days like today are when…. on 09:01 - Feb 27 with 5508 views | Bloots |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:57 - Feb 27 by artsbossbeard |
Crivens.
Fans of their own sanity beware.
This place is best avoided today. |
….this place is at its most entertaining.
Everyone flailing around trying to look either controversial or cool, but just making themselves look desperate or stupid.
It’s best to sit back, watch it unfold and make the odd sarcastic comment. | |
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| Nah, days like today are when…. on 09:02 - Feb 27 with 5481 views | artsbossbeard |
| Nah, days like today are when…. on 09:01 - Feb 27 by Bloots |
….this place is at its most entertaining.
Everyone flailing around trying to look either controversial or cool, but just making themselves look desperate or stupid.
It’s best to sit back, watch it unfold and make the odd sarcastic comment. |
I'm sold! | |
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| Like any business that is failing on 09:02 - Feb 27 with 5474 views | Herbivore |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:45 - Feb 27 by NeedhamChris |
Flash doesn't permit hypothetical discussions - so unless you can foresee the future there's not really any point in engaging. |
Oh the delicious irony of the poster who constantly has a pop at people for digging posters out has cropped up to dig another poster out. That sweet, sweet irony.
As for the OP, others have already said it but we're ahead of schedule versus what the owners would have expected. Their plan for us wouldn't have included achieving back to back promotions. We'll sell a few in the summer but we'll be well placed to go back up. People seem to forget that during this bad run in 2025, our reserves beat an in form Coventry 4-1 away. There's a massive gulf between the Prem and the Championship and our squad is too good for the latter but not quite good enough for the former. |  |
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| Like any business that is failing on 09:05 - Feb 27 with 5398 views | muccletonjoe |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:56 - Feb 27 by tractorboy1978 |
How are we "failing" as a business?
Off the pitch, we have arguably never been in a better place as a football club. Record high commercial revenues, shirt sales, average attendances, the community trust is thriving. We are soon to be building a state of the art training facility.
On the pitch, we got promoted ahead of schedule and their investment so far has seen an exponential, straight line positive return. It could not have gone any better for them at this point. Their business model would certainly have accounted for relegation this season as that was always the likely outcome. Thankfully, they have shown themselves to be more level headed and sensible than some div on a football forum. |
That return will be realised by selling players, if you think otherwise you know very little about commerce | | | |
| Like any business that is failing on 09:11 - Feb 27 with 5300 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Like any business that is failing on 08:58 - Feb 27 by _clive_baker_ |
They'll have a long term plan, and we're likely well ahead of it. I don't imagine anyone in their right mind buys a L1 club for £40m and expects it to establish in the Premier League 3 years later. |
Absolutely this. This year we will be WAY ahead of the original plan. We may not be ahead of the stretch forecast for a rebased plan put in place for the beginning of the current financial year, but that is not a reason for anyone to consider the business to be failing!
And it is not as if we have spent a great deal of money - yet. Think about Fulham, Bournemouth, Brighton - all have many years of PL and parachute funded spending - that is why they are where they are - and that will be the basis of this plan.
We have got to the difficult bit early, before a lot of the investment has been made, which is why the task is so difficult | | | |
| Like any business that is failing on 09:14 - Feb 27 with 5252 views | positivity |
| Like any business that is failing on 09:05 - Feb 27 by muccletonjoe |
That return will be realised by selling players, if you think otherwise you know very little about commerce |
read bellevue's post, selling players is chicken feed compared with that | |
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| Like any business that is failing on 09:21 - Feb 27 with 5187 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Like any business that is failing on 09:05 - Feb 27 by muccletonjoe |
That return will be realised by selling players, if you think otherwise you know very little about commerce |
Their return will be realised by selling the football club eventually. They've built the club and continue to build the club into a different stratosphere to the one which they invested in. It's a long term business plan, it is about where the club is in 5-10 years, not where it is tomorrow and they won't be making knee jerk decisions. Your original insinuation they will stop bank rolling the club is a bit daft when you consider they are about to spend serious millions on completely rebuilding the training ground this summer. | | | |
| Like any business that is failing on 09:23 - Feb 27 with 5163 views | braveblue |
Unlike any business? It’s pension fund money - long term. | | | |
| Like any business that is failing on 09:40 - Feb 27 with 5049 views | muccletonjoe |
| Like any business that is failing on 09:21 - Feb 27 by tractorboy1978 |
Their return will be realised by selling the football club eventually. They've built the club and continue to build the club into a different stratosphere to the one which they invested in. It's a long term business plan, it is about where the club is in 5-10 years, not where it is tomorrow and they won't be making knee jerk decisions. Your original insinuation they will stop bank rolling the club is a bit daft when you consider they are about to spend serious millions on completely rebuilding the training ground this summer. |
I think you will find that money has been taken out of the pot already. They are not buying a training facility and then finding the money for it. | | | |
| Like any business that is failing on 09:47 - Feb 27 with 5006 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Are we failing against their investment objectives?
I'm not sure we are. |  |
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