| Delap dives far too often (n/t) 21:51 - Mar 3 with 8025 views | Chris_ITFC |
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| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 14:50 - Mar 5 with 1544 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 14:47 - Mar 5 by Herbivore |
Not really a surprise, mate. Frimmers loves a hot take. |
I enjoy discussing. Well trying to discuss football with fellow town fans. Me and SB haven't had the best history but even we are managing to discuss things and its been enjoyable. |  |
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| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 14:51 - Mar 5 with 1550 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 14:42 - Mar 5 by textbackup |
VAR was used Monday night, wasn’t it? |
As it was for the Leicester game... |  | | |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 14:55 - Mar 5 with 1522 views | Herbivore |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 14:50 - Mar 5 by FrimleyBlue |
I enjoy discussing. Well trying to discuss football with fellow town fans. Me and SB haven't had the best history but even we are managing to discuss things and its been enjoyable. |
If you think Delap is 50% responsible for us being in the bottom 3 though then there's not really much to discuss. That's just ridiculous. He's scored goals, he's won penalties, he's given us an outlet when under pressure. Hirst is a good player with different strengths but the idea we'd be doing better with him ahead of Delap is somewhat fanciful given everything that Delap offers. |  |
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| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:01 - Mar 5 with 1495 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 14:55 - Mar 5 by Herbivore |
If you think Delap is 50% responsible for us being in the bottom 3 though then there's not really much to discuss. That's just ridiculous. He's scored goals, he's won penalties, he's given us an outlet when under pressure. Hirst is a good player with different strengths but the idea we'd be doing better with him ahead of Delap is somewhat fanciful given everything that Delap offers. |
Your opinion herbs which I have no issue with you having. I don't think it's that fanciful considering we are indeed 18th despite the positive attributes that i already agreed with earlier in the thread.
I've explained why. Not really more to discuss on that to be honest. | |
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| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:09 - Mar 5 with 1473 views | J2BLUE |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:01 - Mar 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Your opinion herbs which I have no issue with you having. I don't think it's that fanciful considering we are indeed 18th despite the positive attributes that i already agreed with earlier in the thread.
I've explained why. Not really more to discuss on that to be honest. |
Looking at your figures, are you arguing Delap has been a net negative in our survival attempt so far? |  |
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| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:12 - Mar 5 with 1453 views | cressi |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 21:52 - Mar 3 by FrimleyBlue |
Please tell me that wasn't a dive. |
I think it's how premier league academy's work I believe Brighton practice see if they can get a perfect score of 6 like in the Olympics. | | | |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:17 - Mar 5 with 1443 views | Herbivore |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:01 - Mar 5 by FrimleyBlue |
Your opinion herbs which I have no issue with you having. I don't think it's that fanciful considering we are indeed 18th despite the positive attributes that i already agreed with earlier in the thread.
I've explained why. Not really more to discuss on that to be honest. |
You blaming Delap for us being 18th rather than considering the possibility we might be even worse off without him is fanciful. In fact it's plain ridiculous. [Post edited 5 Mar 15:17]
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| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:22 - Mar 5 with 1410 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:09 - Mar 5 by J2BLUE |
Looking at your figures, are you arguing Delap has been a net negative in our survival attempt so far? |
It's just playing out for me as a season where i wonder how different would it have been with hirst as the starter and delap as the finisher.
There are many many positives to delap. But he's developing no different to many other young lads. And I've purposely made it known I'm aware of his goal scoring contribution in comparison to the rest of the team... but when I look back on some individual performances from him I do wonder if we would just whilst we are fighting for survivable.. be better of with what I'd call a forward in Hirst over the striker that is delap.
We've seen delap try to take on many defences on his own. He does sometimes really well. ( Chelsea the biggest example of this) but there's many times he's ignored those around him and earlier on esp in the season he had some simple passes to play and for us to keep the ball yet we ended up being countered and conceded as he tried to take a man on and lost it. ( two or three goals were conceded in that situation)
As explained earlier. We've spent two seasons under KM playing with a forward over a striker ( this may be my own definition of their roles)
I love delap I really do. But we are our best when our defenders and midfielders have a forward who runs the channels, understands when to press, how to press smartly which hirst seems to direct players to where he wants them to go etc, how to play the simple ball to team mates.
KM mentioned it in one of this interviews that delap needs to learn how to play with different team mates.. and that for me Is what you know you will get from hirst.
Then when the clock is ticking. Those changes need to come you've got that ball busting striker to bring on.
That imo would be more concerning for an opponent manager than when we bring on hirst.
So whilst I may have explained it badly with the whole 50% thing. There Is frimley logic behind it all.
I don't know the full figures but he seems to give a hefty amount of freekicks away when we try to go long to him. Which has then of course gifted the ball to the oppo. He's close to a 2 game ban for yellow card collections which imo is rather silly for a striker. He leads the prem for more fouls made and out of 166 team fouls hes made 58 of those himself.
I just find it incredible that in the season we are trying to stay in the prem, We've relied on a young lad to lead the line in pretty much the whole season. And as said earlier. We've tried different players across most positions yet we've not made that change.. and I would like to see it to see IF it did make the difference I think it might do.
BTW. I don't think KM will do it. I just think if we do go down and we don't see any different I will always think hmmm what if. [Post edited 5 Mar 15:39]
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| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:50 - Mar 5 with 1354 views | Herbivore |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:22 - Mar 5 by FrimleyBlue |
It's just playing out for me as a season where i wonder how different would it have been with hirst as the starter and delap as the finisher.
There are many many positives to delap. But he's developing no different to many other young lads. And I've purposely made it known I'm aware of his goal scoring contribution in comparison to the rest of the team... but when I look back on some individual performances from him I do wonder if we would just whilst we are fighting for survivable.. be better of with what I'd call a forward in Hirst over the striker that is delap.
We've seen delap try to take on many defences on his own. He does sometimes really well. ( Chelsea the biggest example of this) but there's many times he's ignored those around him and earlier on esp in the season he had some simple passes to play and for us to keep the ball yet we ended up being countered and conceded as he tried to take a man on and lost it. ( two or three goals were conceded in that situation)
As explained earlier. We've spent two seasons under KM playing with a forward over a striker ( this may be my own definition of their roles)
I love delap I really do. But we are our best when our defenders and midfielders have a forward who runs the channels, understands when to press, how to press smartly which hirst seems to direct players to where he wants them to go etc, how to play the simple ball to team mates.
KM mentioned it in one of this interviews that delap needs to learn how to play with different team mates.. and that for me Is what you know you will get from hirst.
Then when the clock is ticking. Those changes need to come you've got that ball busting striker to bring on.
That imo would be more concerning for an opponent manager than when we bring on hirst.
So whilst I may have explained it badly with the whole 50% thing. There Is frimley logic behind it all.
I don't know the full figures but he seems to give a hefty amount of freekicks away when we try to go long to him. Which has then of course gifted the ball to the oppo. He's close to a 2 game ban for yellow card collections which imo is rather silly for a striker. He leads the prem for more fouls made and out of 166 team fouls hes made 58 of those himself.
I just find it incredible that in the season we are trying to stay in the prem, We've relied on a young lad to lead the line in pretty much the whole season. And as said earlier. We've tried different players across most positions yet we've not made that change.. and I would like to see it to see IF it did make the difference I think it might do.
BTW. I don't think KM will do it. I just think if we do go down and we don't see any different I will always think hmmm what if. [Post edited 5 Mar 15:39]
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If we go down you'll think hmmm, I wonder what might have happened if we dropped our top goalscorer and best player? You think it's incredible that we haven't tried dropping our best player and leading goalscorer to try and improve things? Your mind is indeed a strange place. | |
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| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:52 - Mar 5 with 1338 views | PacittiJohn |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:22 - Mar 5 by FrimleyBlue |
It's just playing out for me as a season where i wonder how different would it have been with hirst as the starter and delap as the finisher.
There are many many positives to delap. But he's developing no different to many other young lads. And I've purposely made it known I'm aware of his goal scoring contribution in comparison to the rest of the team... but when I look back on some individual performances from him I do wonder if we would just whilst we are fighting for survivable.. be better of with what I'd call a forward in Hirst over the striker that is delap.
We've seen delap try to take on many defences on his own. He does sometimes really well. ( Chelsea the biggest example of this) but there's many times he's ignored those around him and earlier on esp in the season he had some simple passes to play and for us to keep the ball yet we ended up being countered and conceded as he tried to take a man on and lost it. ( two or three goals were conceded in that situation)
As explained earlier. We've spent two seasons under KM playing with a forward over a striker ( this may be my own definition of their roles)
I love delap I really do. But we are our best when our defenders and midfielders have a forward who runs the channels, understands when to press, how to press smartly which hirst seems to direct players to where he wants them to go etc, how to play the simple ball to team mates.
KM mentioned it in one of this interviews that delap needs to learn how to play with different team mates.. and that for me Is what you know you will get from hirst.
Then when the clock is ticking. Those changes need to come you've got that ball busting striker to bring on.
That imo would be more concerning for an opponent manager than when we bring on hirst.
So whilst I may have explained it badly with the whole 50% thing. There Is frimley logic behind it all.
I don't know the full figures but he seems to give a hefty amount of freekicks away when we try to go long to him. Which has then of course gifted the ball to the oppo. He's close to a 2 game ban for yellow card collections which imo is rather silly for a striker. He leads the prem for more fouls made and out of 166 team fouls hes made 58 of those himself.
I just find it incredible that in the season we are trying to stay in the prem, We've relied on a young lad to lead the line in pretty much the whole season. And as said earlier. We've tried different players across most positions yet we've not made that change.. and I would like to see it to see IF it did make the difference I think it might do.
BTW. I don't think KM will do it. I just think if we do go down and we don't see any different I will always think hmmm what if. [Post edited 5 Mar 15:39]
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Agree 100%. The Philogene, Hutchinson, Clark, work in progress should be changed as well. Would prefer 3 out of 4 from Enciso, Chaplin, Smodicz, or Broadhead. | | | |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:54 - Mar 5 with 1319 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:50 - Mar 5 by Herbivore |
If we go down you'll think hmmm, I wonder what might have happened if we dropped our top goalscorer and best player? You think it's incredible that we haven't tried dropping our best player and leading goalscorer to try and improve things? Your mind is indeed a strange place. |
No. I'll wonder what might have happened if maybe delap came on and scored his goals which then helped us to consolidate a win or get back into a game and IF as explained quite clearly we as a team worked better together for 60 minutes until his introduction whilst he's still developing as a young striker. | |
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| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 16:11 - Mar 5 with 1289 views | gringoblue |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 09:27 - Mar 5 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, think it was a deliberate attempt to trip him before he got in the area. Kieran and Conor Townsend both convinced it was a foul afterwards. |
I've watched it back a few times. Murillo dangles his leg out, tries to pull it back but not quick enough to avoid tripping Delap. From the three angles I've seen it isn't like the Jota v Wolves penalty which was overturned, where Jota flings his leg out sideways to initiate contact.
Delap definitely likes a tumble sometimes, but that is a foul.
It was just outside the box though and Morato was just getting back to cover, so free kick and yellow card would have been correct. |  | | |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 16:40 - Mar 5 with 1270 views | braveblue |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 21:52 - Mar 3 by FrimleyBlue |
Please tell me that wasn't a dive. |
Def contact. Not protesting means nothing. | | | |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 16:56 - Mar 5 with 1252 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 16:11 - Mar 5 by gringoblue |
I've watched it back a few times. Murillo dangles his leg out, tries to pull it back but not quick enough to avoid tripping Delap. From the three angles I've seen it isn't like the Jota v Wolves penalty which was overturned, where Jota flings his leg out sideways to initiate contact.
Delap definitely likes a tumble sometimes, but that is a foul.
It was just outside the box though and Morato was just getting back to cover, so free kick and yellow card would have been correct. |
That is my reading of it in hindsight as well - I thought it was inside the box though.
So it may well be that the VAR team thought the ref had got it wrong, but if they came to the conclusion that it was outside, then they would have had no authority to correct his mistake? | | | |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 17:38 - Mar 5 with 1223 views | PhilTWTD |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 09:51 - Mar 5 by Blueschev |
From memory it was a very similar trip to the pen we conceded at the City Ground earlier in the season. |
Hadn't thought of that, but, yes, it was very similar and if one was given as a foul, so should the other. |  | | |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 08:02 - Mar 7 with 964 views | StokieBlue |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 23:17 - Mar 3 by FrimleyBlue |
Evening sb
I highly rate delap and he's gonna be an absolute worldy of a striker and as I said if we were in the prem 2 or 3 years now from now he'd be that striker you'd want.
But we haven't played with a delap for the past two seasons. We haven't relied on a striker to score all our goals. What we have seen this season however no matter what outfield players play our results haven't improved and the general play in that final third hasn't either. What has happened however is delap has seemingly begun to dive more. Hold the ball up to often and not feeding his team mates and he's not making runs for either our defenders or midfielders to find behind the defensive lines. It's all very much the same thing each game. Find delap and he will run with the ball. Sometimes he'll make it past a player but alot of the time he will run into them.
You've mentioned your favoured evidence word again. No there isn't any. And I've not said there is about hirst playing in the prem. It's what I'd like to see tried to SEE if it would make a difference
At the end of the day KM has tried many different players. But that's the one position he has not tried to change. I'd rather go down and see that it didn't make a difference rather than go down and wonder what if.
I don't think people are piling in on delap. Its just especially lately he hasn't looked great. |
Morning FB, apologies for the tardy response.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to fundamentally disagree with your post with regards to evidence. Evidence is important when forming opinions and to disregard it completely as you have done essentially means nobody can counter any points you raise on this forum. You say you want to discuss football but you can't do that if you say evidence isn't important as you can't have a two way discussion with that as a rule.
If there is no evidence why not just use a random side generator as it's likely to be just as good as a team formed without any evidence.
I don't think dropping our main attacking force who is probably our only player really wanted by top teams just to "SEE" what happens is a great plan.
Once again, I love Hirst and he's done very well but this isn't just about Hirst, it's about a totally unfair narrative you're creating around Delap ("50% the reason imo we are facing relegation"). This has no basis in fact or evidence yet you've attempted to give it one by placing an invented number to quantify how he's negatively affected our season. That's not fair and creating these false narratives never ends well.
Whomever plays tomorrow, here's hoping we can grab a win.
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| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 09:57 - Mar 7 with 881 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Of all the appalling takes that are on here whenever we lose a game the suggestion of dropping Delap is the craziest to me. It just does not make sense.
He is the SOLE reason we are not on the same points tally as Southampton. Could easily be a 60 million pound player and it wouldn't be an overpay. Special Special footballer. |  |
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| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 10:50 - Mar 7 with 845 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 15:22 - Mar 5 by FrimleyBlue |
It's just playing out for me as a season where i wonder how different would it have been with hirst as the starter and delap as the finisher.
There are many many positives to delap. But he's developing no different to many other young lads. And I've purposely made it known I'm aware of his goal scoring contribution in comparison to the rest of the team... but when I look back on some individual performances from him I do wonder if we would just whilst we are fighting for survivable.. be better of with what I'd call a forward in Hirst over the striker that is delap.
We've seen delap try to take on many defences on his own. He does sometimes really well. ( Chelsea the biggest example of this) but there's many times he's ignored those around him and earlier on esp in the season he had some simple passes to play and for us to keep the ball yet we ended up being countered and conceded as he tried to take a man on and lost it. ( two or three goals were conceded in that situation)
As explained earlier. We've spent two seasons under KM playing with a forward over a striker ( this may be my own definition of their roles)
I love delap I really do. But we are our best when our defenders and midfielders have a forward who runs the channels, understands when to press, how to press smartly which hirst seems to direct players to where he wants them to go etc, how to play the simple ball to team mates.
KM mentioned it in one of this interviews that delap needs to learn how to play with different team mates.. and that for me Is what you know you will get from hirst.
Then when the clock is ticking. Those changes need to come you've got that ball busting striker to bring on.
That imo would be more concerning for an opponent manager than when we bring on hirst.
So whilst I may have explained it badly with the whole 50% thing. There Is frimley logic behind it all.
I don't know the full figures but he seems to give a hefty amount of freekicks away when we try to go long to him. Which has then of course gifted the ball to the oppo. He's close to a 2 game ban for yellow card collections which imo is rather silly for a striker. He leads the prem for more fouls made and out of 166 team fouls hes made 58 of those himself.
I just find it incredible that in the season we are trying to stay in the prem, We've relied on a young lad to lead the line in pretty much the whole season. And as said earlier. We've tried different players across most positions yet we've not made that change.. and I would like to see it to see IF it did make the difference I think it might do.
BTW. I don't think KM will do it. I just think if we do go down and we don't see any different I will always think hmmm what if. [Post edited 5 Mar 15:39]
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I do understand your logic, even if I disagree with it.
However, the idea that Delap is 50% responsible for our relegation (I appreciate you've rowed back on that a bit) is another Frimmers classic.
You should put all your classic hot takes in a book, one of those little coffee table books that are about a fiver and sit on that table near the front of Waterstones, maybe with a few illustrations to bring the madness to life. I'd buy it! |  |
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| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 11:41 - Mar 7 with 792 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 21:48 - Mar 4 by Garv |
He deliberately left his leg hanging last night so it made contact with the defender, and didn't exactly make a huge effort to stay on his feet. That's as good as deliberately going to ground, no?
The play acting is arguably worse. He's becoming a bit of a joke figure with opposition fans (I know it's kind of nice to have a pantomime villain in our team), going down clutching his shin every time, then gingerly getting back to his feet. It's bad, just wish more people would admit it. |
Refs are wising up to him. The danger with that is that moving forwards any 50 50 call is more likely to go against him.
Does he dive? Depends on your definition of diving I think. I don’t think that he dives in the sense of going to ground where there is no contact. He does go to ground on minimal contact, but show me a PL striker who doesn’t? I accept that doesn’t make his actions right, but I think it’s naive to think that our strikers are going to play to some higher moral standard than everyone else. | |
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| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 12:22 - Mar 7 with 741 views | VanSaParody |
Good
About time
A few more of our players should do it, too
Maybe we'll get a few decisions rather than the cheating f*!*ers who always seems to get away with cheating against us, including officials/VAR |  | | |
| Delap dives far too often (n/t) on 14:52 - Mar 7 with 658 views | Radlett_blue |
the bigger issue is that Delap gets booked too often & is one yellow card away from a 2 game suspension. But this is unlikely to be our problem next season as he won't be here unless by some miracle we stay up. |  |
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