| Stolen from the Beeb 14:16 - Mar 27 with 4507 views | Crawfordsboot |
How many of our current side would get into a team of our all time greats? Not many I suspect
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 14:27 - Mar 27 with 3110 views | Crawfordsboot |
Richard Wright
Kevin Beattie
Mick Mills
Terry Butcher
George Burley
Franz Thysen
Arnold Muhren
Jon Wark
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 14:40 - Mar 27 with 3067 views | ArnieM |
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Richard Wright
Kevin Beattie
Mick Mills
Terry Butcher
George Burley
Franz Thysen
Arnold Muhren
Jon Wark
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Paul Mariner |
Marcus Stewart (number 10 role ?) |  |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 14:50 - Mar 27 with 3004 views | oldburian |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 14:27 - Mar 27 by Crawfordsboot |
Richard Wright
Kevin Beattie
Mick Mills
Terry Butcher
George Burley
Franz Thysen
Arnold Muhren
Jon Wark
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Paul Mariner |
As someone who has witnessed the side from 1950 that is not far from the best in my opinion. I think you have to have Ray Crawford in one of the blanks and either Eric Gates or Clive Woods in the other. Perhaps David Best may just edge out Richard Wright but it is marginal. |  | | |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 14:58 - Mar 27 with 2975 views | chicoazul |
Lol
Hard to think any of them would get in the Lyall or Burley equivalent teams tbh |  |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 15:08 - Mar 27 with 2949 views | Menton |
I would think just about all of them. The game has progressed so far over the last 40 even 20 years |  |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 16:06 - Mar 27 with 2824 views | monty_radio |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 15:08 - Mar 27 by Menton |
I would think just about all of them. The game has progressed so far over the last 40 even 20 years |
So you don't think that previous greats, that would be fitting into this same imaginary team and therefore all receiving the same level of training would make the grade? There speaks someone who never saw Kevin Beattie or Muhren (or fill in your own candidate) play? | |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 16:26 - Mar 27 with 2757 views | bournemouthblue |
wasn't the keeper for the League winning team considered to be our best ever keeper?
Delap might be a hot academy graduate I guess but isn't toppling any of our best strikers yet even for a bench role
Who would you put Delap on par with, someone like Dalian Atkinson maybe? [Post edited 27 Mar 16:27]
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 16:28 - Mar 27 with 2735 views | NthQldITFC |
The age old problem as accurately answered by both Menton and southnorfolkblue with absolutely opposite answers.
In today's high octane game, none of our all time greats (70s and 80s) would get in because they just wouldn't be able to compete (except maybe Beattie?).
If today's mob had physical prowess and fitness levels typical of the 70s/80s would any of today's players have the skills to get in? Maybe some would actually?
I dunno. |  |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:01 - Mar 27 with 2663 views | ArnieM |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 16:28 - Mar 27 by NthQldITFC |
The age old problem as accurately answered by both Menton and southnorfolkblue with absolutely opposite answers.
In today's high octane game, none of our all time greats (70s and 80s) would get in because they just wouldn't be able to compete (except maybe Beattie?).
If today's mob had physical prowess and fitness levels typical of the 70s/80s would any of today's players have the skills to get in? Maybe some would actually?
I dunno. |
But today's game is about power and speed mostly isn't it. Yes there's a skill level without doubt, but if you dont have pace and physicality first n foremost, you simply can't compete. This is why Delap is such hot property atm. But the rest of his game is in
My humble opinion, behind those two credentials.
Tbh Town have always struggled against any side who are physical, and strong. Even bloody scum won their tackles against us. We seem to get rolled over or shoved off the ball far too easily, and i don't mean just this season. | |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:01 - Mar 27 with 2660 views | Vaughan8 |
None are even close to being in our all time great team.
Sadly, I'd imagine most will be from before I was even born! | | | |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:26 - Mar 27 with 2598 views | MK1 |
None. Not even in a squad, yet alone a starting X1. |  |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:37 - Mar 27 with 2577 views | Lord_Lucan |
It’s impossible to say isn’t it.
If the greats had the same training and facilities etc then they would dominate the team.
If the current team though played the 81 team in a head to head right now then the current team could potentially thrash them. |  |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:41 - Mar 27 with 2554 views | vapour_trail |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:37 - Mar 27 by Lord_Lucan |
It’s impossible to say isn’t it.
If the greats had the same training and facilities etc then they would dominate the team.
If the current team though played the 81 team in a head to head right now then the current team could potentially thrash them. |
Still think Muhren’s diags onto the space vacated by Leif would undo the current vintage.
As long as Brazil is on his game and not the lash. |  |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:42 - Mar 27 with 2547 views | MK1 |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 14:27 - Mar 27 by Crawfordsboot |
Richard Wright
Kevin Beattie
Mick Mills
Terry Butcher
George Burley
Franz Thysen
Arnold Muhren
Jon Wark
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Paul Mariner |
Holland and Crawford for the ???'s
Cooper in goal for me. You can probably make 3 or 4 that an argument could be made for.
From the current squad, only Morsy would stand a chance of making the 3rd or 4th. | |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:44 - Mar 27 with 2520 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 15:08 - Mar 27 by Menton |
I would think just about all of them. The game has progressed so far over the last 40 even 20 years |
Plus a lot of the ones that actually won things are getting on a bit now
Joking aside, as others have said it’s a pointless argument really as impossible to gauge how players from years gone by would adapt with todays training, and vice-versa with todays players with pitches and rules from the 70’s
All you can really do is assess how good players are compared to their peers at the time - in which case none of our current squad come close |  |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:46 - Mar 27 with 2516 views | MK1 |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 16:26 - Mar 27 by bournemouthblue |
wasn't the keeper for the League winning team considered to be our best ever keeper?
Delap might be a hot academy graduate I guess but isn't toppling any of our best strikers yet even for a bench role
Who would you put Delap on par with, someone like Dalian Atkinson maybe? [Post edited 27 Mar 16:27]
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Delap wouldn't make the squad. | |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:50 - Mar 27 with 2473 views | MK1 |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:37 - Mar 27 by Lord_Lucan |
It’s impossible to say isn’t it.
If the greats had the same training and facilities etc then they would dominate the team.
If the current team though played the 81 team in a head to head right now then the current team could potentially thrash them. |
That can't happen. Unfortunately, at least 5 of our greats are no longer with us and those that are, are unfortunately to old to play now.
(I know what you meant) | |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:52 - Mar 27 with 2452 views | Simonds92 |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 16:06 - Mar 27 by monty_radio |
So you don't think that previous greats, that would be fitting into this same imaginary team and therefore all receiving the same level of training would make the grade? There speaks someone who never saw Kevin Beattie or Muhren (or fill in your own candidate) play? |
Some of them may have been even better, some of them may have never made it. There are plenty of extremely talented footballers in the last 20 years who had ability but did not have the pace, power or physicality to make it. | | | |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:53 - Mar 27 with 2431 views | Garv |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:37 - Mar 27 by Lord_Lucan |
It’s impossible to say isn’t it.
If the greats had the same training and facilities etc then they would dominate the team.
If the current team though played the 81 team in a head to head right now then the current team could potentially thrash them. |
Personally I think most teams of today would thrash most teams of yesteryear, but you're right it's an impossible debate. |  |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:56 - Mar 27 with 2399 views | MK1 |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 15:08 - Mar 27 by Menton |
I would think just about all of them. The game has progressed so far over the last 40 even 20 years |
So, going by that logic, any of our starting X1's from the last 20 years can make our all time best X1. That is totally laughable. Imagine Conor Sammon in an All Time Ipswich X1. | |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:56 - Mar 27 with 2392 views | monty_radio |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 16:28 - Mar 27 by NthQldITFC |
The age old problem as accurately answered by both Menton and southnorfolkblue with absolutely opposite answers.
In today's high octane game, none of our all time greats (70s and 80s) would get in because they just wouldn't be able to compete (except maybe Beattie?).
If today's mob had physical prowess and fitness levels typical of the 70s/80s would any of today's players have the skills to get in? Maybe some would actually?
I dunno. |
I don't think that the "high octane game" ascription allows for all that you actually see in today's Prem. Most noticeable is the level of ball control on display in the best sides - but great players have always excelled in that area. You only have to look at how McKenna's methods elevated many of our original L1 products to see that the physical and movement areas respond to intense and intelligent coaching.
But now, as way back when, when youth coaches talk about exciting emerging prospects, it is always their ball control that is the standout. | |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 18:05 - Mar 27 with 2363 views | NthQldITFC |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 17:56 - Mar 27 by monty_radio |
I don't think that the "high octane game" ascription allows for all that you actually see in today's Prem. Most noticeable is the level of ball control on display in the best sides - but great players have always excelled in that area. You only have to look at how McKenna's methods elevated many of our original L1 products to see that the physical and movement areas respond to intense and intelligent coaching.
But now, as way back when, when youth coaches talk about exciting emerging prospects, it is always their ball control that is the standout. |
True. It's pitches as well, isn't it, and opportunity to get used to playing high precision football at great speed. | |
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| Stolen from the Beeb on 18:10 - Mar 27 with 2351 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Stolen from the Beeb on 18:05 - Mar 27 by NthQldITFC |
True. It's pitches as well, isn't it, and opportunity to get used to playing high precision football at great speed. |
It’s a different world though isn’t it.
You remember those player interviews when they were asked “What is your favourite pre match meal” and they would say “Steak and Chips” - and you just know they would have a couple of fags after whilst reading the Racing Post. | |
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