| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? 09:21 - Apr 14 with 3429 views | tractorboy1978 |
For all the moments we can look back on and say 'what if' it is going to take 40 points at least to stay up this season so it seems a bit silly to get too worked up over anything. |  | | |  |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 09:23 - Apr 14 with 2616 views | Denny32 |
What a stupid comment!! | | | |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 09:29 - Apr 14 with 2544 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I see your point but I'm not sure I would say comforting, we have dropped a lot of points from winning positions which is probably indicative of just a lack of quality in personnel.
It is pretty scary to see West Ham now looking like the 4th worst team in the league when their team consists of full England international Jarrod Bowen, a player Man city bid 100m for in Paqueta and one of the most sought after players in Europe in Kudus.
It was always going to be extremely difficult but I do think a lot of our performances have deserved more points than we have got, which makes it a little frustrating for me because I really do not believe we are as bad as our position/points total suggests. Lots of stuff to be happy about though and look forward to. Onwards. [Post edited 14 Apr 9:30]
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 09:31 - Apr 14 with 2523 views | nrb1985 |
We lost 27 points from winning positions.
We realistically did have a chance of staying up as demo'd by that stat.
I'm not worked up and am looking forward to seeing a few more wins next season but there will be regrets about this year for sure. | | | |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 09:41 - Apr 14 with 2425 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 09:31 - Apr 14 by nrb1985 |
We lost 27 points from winning positions.
We realistically did have a chance of staying up as demo'd by that stat.
I'm not worked up and am looking forward to seeing a few more wins next season but there will be regrets about this year for sure. |
I'm not sure how much weight/relevance that stat has though really. We aren't unique for promoted clubs in that regard, they are always close to the top of the table for points dropped from winning positions. The quality of the opposition just tells as games go on in the PL. This season and last season below. Leicester are a bit of an anomaly with 8 points but shows they have been so sh!t they can't even get ahead in games!
Us - 27 points
Southampton - 25 points
Burnley - 27 points
Sheff Utd - 26 points
Luton - 22 points | | | |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 09:44 - Apr 14 with 2404 views | Garv |
See what you mean. Wolves haven't just been better than us, they've been brilliant.
I don't think we've done ourselves proper justice in some performances, and we've been naive - we could have swallowed some pride at times and been more defensive. But on the whole we just don't have the squad to compete properly, and injuries have killed us. |  |
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 09:53 - Apr 14 with 2333 views | nrb1985 |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 09:41 - Apr 14 by tractorboy1978 |
I'm not sure how much weight/relevance that stat has though really. We aren't unique for promoted clubs in that regard, they are always close to the top of the table for points dropped from winning positions. The quality of the opposition just tells as games go on in the PL. This season and last season below. Leicester are a bit of an anomaly with 8 points but shows they have been so sh!t they can't even get ahead in games!
Us - 27 points
Southampton - 25 points
Burnley - 27 points
Sheff Utd - 26 points
Luton - 22 points |
But let's say we took a third of those - you don't know what effect that could have had on any number of intangibles - i.e. ability to attract talent in Jan, the psyche of the opposition we were chasing down etc and more to the point we'd be entering the last weeks of the season with something to play for.
You are probably right but there will be some big regrets around a number of things this year, from Muric, to poor officiating, to an abnormally high number of injuries etc.
Muric alone probably lost us 5-8pts. | | | |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:20 - Apr 14 with 2274 views | Guthrum |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 09:41 - Apr 14 by tractorboy1978 |
I'm not sure how much weight/relevance that stat has though really. We aren't unique for promoted clubs in that regard, they are always close to the top of the table for points dropped from winning positions. The quality of the opposition just tells as games go on in the PL. This season and last season below. Leicester are a bit of an anomaly with 8 points but shows they have been so sh!t they can't even get ahead in games!
Us - 27 points
Southampton - 25 points
Burnley - 27 points
Sheff Utd - 26 points
Luton - 22 points |
It's just a function of who scores first. A bit like the previous couple of seasons, when we were better than most other teams and masters of coming from behind to get points. Now the reverse, we are inferior and eventually get overpowered.
At least it shows we can score goals. |  |
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:25 - Apr 14 with 2243 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:20 - Apr 14 by Guthrum |
It's just a function of who scores first. A bit like the previous couple of seasons, when we were better than most other teams and masters of coming from behind to get points. Now the reverse, we are inferior and eventually get overpowered.
At least it shows we can score goals. |
It is also a function of defending. Teams that defend better hold on to the leads they do get more often.
More critically, it is probably a function of squad depth and the quality of the substitutes being brought on. This is also partly affected by injuries which have hit us, Man City and Tottenham harder than others and I believe affected each one of our finishing places. |  |
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:27 - Apr 14 with 2240 views | itfcjoe |
I think best we could have done was in that 34-36 range and got a bit of a luck....when 17th is on 35 with 6 games left it's just a standard we couldn't have kept |  |
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:29 - Apr 14 with 2221 views | weepingx2018 |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 09:31 - Apr 14 by nrb1985 |
We lost 27 points from winning positions.
We realistically did have a chance of staying up as demo'd by that stat.
I'm not worked up and am looking forward to seeing a few more wins next season but there will be regrets about this year for sure. |
Im sorry to say but many of the goals we needlessly conceded were via Muric.
IF only we'd signed palmer in august hey ho .....sigh! | | | |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:30 - Apr 14 with 2208 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:27 - Apr 14 by itfcjoe |
I think best we could have done was in that 34-36 range and got a bit of a luck....when 17th is on 35 with 6 games left it's just a standard we couldn't have kept |
I still think that if Szmodics, Chaplin, Ogbene, Burns and Hirst had all stayed fit for most of the season we get more points than that. | |
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:35 - Apr 14 with 2175 views | Bellevue_Blue |
We did have a chance, we just needed absolutely everything to go in our favour.
It is looking like it will be a record points total for 17th place though (41 points) which would dent the argument of those who say the gap between champ/ prem isn't getting bigger but the promoted teams are playing the wrong type of football etc etc.
The fact that Manchester United/ Spurs could legitimately finish 16th & 17th emphasises what we have been up against.
Unfortunately I don't have much confidence in the ability of the PL decision makers to create parity. | | | |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:44 - Apr 14 with 2114 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:35 - Apr 14 by Bellevue_Blue |
We did have a chance, we just needed absolutely everything to go in our favour.
It is looking like it will be a record points total for 17th place though (41 points) which would dent the argument of those who say the gap between champ/ prem isn't getting bigger but the promoted teams are playing the wrong type of football etc etc.
The fact that Manchester United/ Spurs could legitimately finish 16th & 17th emphasises what we have been up against.
Unfortunately I don't have much confidence in the ability of the PL decision makers to create parity. |
I think that shows the wrong teams from our viewpoint had poor seasons. We were never going to catch Spurs, Man Utd or Man City when they had poor seasons. If West Ham, Wolves, even Palace or Everton had underperformed as much as Spurs, we would have stood a good chance of catching them. Wolves did look like they might do for a while but have picked up no end. West Ham have taken over the under-performance instead.
If you take the first 18 matches of Wolves' season (15 pts) and combine them with the last 14 matches of West Ham's (12 pts) they would have 27 pts right now. One did enough first half of the season and the other picked up recently. | |
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:45 - Apr 14 with 2109 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:30 - Apr 14 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I still think that if Szmodics, Chaplin, Ogbene, Burns and Hirst had all stayed fit for most of the season we get more points than that. |
People underestimate the impact the injuries had. We are still close to the top of the table of days lost through injury, and that was with a squad that had much less depth than most in the division. Injuries to key players has a knock on effect :
- demands more from the other players, and less chance to recover between games (fatigue, minor knocks, etc).
- a bench that often didn't allow the quality of substitution needed (this will have also impacted how late subs were often made)
Would this have made us a mid-table club - no, of course not; we were still naïve at times, didn't always turn up for a full game and made many individual mistakes that led to goals. However, it may well have made the difference in games where we just needed to hold out, and reduced the number of points lost from a winning position. How many games turned around in the final 20 minutes where a stronger bench / less fatigue may have made a difference? | | | |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:56 - Apr 14 with 2054 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:45 - Apr 14 by SuffolkPunchFC |
People underestimate the impact the injuries had. We are still close to the top of the table of days lost through injury, and that was with a squad that had much less depth than most in the division. Injuries to key players has a knock on effect :
- demands more from the other players, and less chance to recover between games (fatigue, minor knocks, etc).
- a bench that often didn't allow the quality of substitution needed (this will have also impacted how late subs were often made)
Would this have made us a mid-table club - no, of course not; we were still naïve at times, didn't always turn up for a full game and made many individual mistakes that led to goals. However, it may well have made the difference in games where we just needed to hold out, and reduced the number of points lost from a winning position. How many games turned around in the final 20 minutes where a stronger bench / less fatigue may have made a difference? |
It also hampers finding and developing understanding between players. We have lacked effective partnerships this season. How often has any area of the pitch had the same 2-3 players in it for 3-4 consecutive matches? | |
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 11:21 - Apr 14 with 1946 views | baxterbasics |
Thing is we have a lot of "what if's" and "if only's" and no doubt if you combine them all into best-case scenario then yes we might have had a shot.
What if we never signed Muric (or had Palmer from the start).
What if we'd just seen a few games out more effectively (particularly 1st half of the season).
What if new players hadn't taken so long to settle in and gel with the rest.
What if certain refs had done their job properly.
What if we'd avoided all these injuries.
What if Clarke's strike Vs Fulham had gone in...
and so on.
I doubt reversing any one thing alone from that list would have kept us up. But to have avoided all these pitfalls would have meant a perfect season and things always go wrong somewhere. |  |
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 11:35 - Apr 14 with 1887 views | BlueBadger |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:30 - Apr 14 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I still think that if Szmodics, Chaplin, Ogbene, Burns and Hirst had all stayed fit for most of the season we get more points than that. |
Couple that to getting Palmer in sooner and we're potentially pushing Wolves very hard. |  |
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 11:38 - Apr 14 with 1892 views | SomethingBlue |
Have to say, though, that if you'd told me in August that we would take five points at Chelsea, Villa and Spurs I'd have assumed we were staying up fairly comfortably. Strange old season but we have not disgraced ourselves at all and will be better for it as a club. | |
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 12:58 - Apr 14 with 1724 views | The_Major |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 11:38 - Apr 14 by SomethingBlue |
Have to say, though, that if you'd told me in August that we would take five points at Chelsea, Villa and Spurs I'd have assumed we were staying up fairly comfortably. Strange old season but we have not disgraced ourselves at all and will be better for it as a club. |
See also "Spurs and Man Utd will only be three or four places above you"
Historically, that's mid table nailed on. |  | | |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 13:22 - Apr 14 with 1640 views | JammyDodgerrr |
I think if we add on the points we *should've* got through individual mistakes, and games we "should've" won from the situations we were in, I can at least think of:
+5 Southampton
+3 Bournemouth.
+3 Man United
+3 Brentford
+2 Villa
+2 Fulham.
That would give us 18 more and we'd be a few clear, but it is what it is. We haven't been able to deal with the ruthlessness of it and we've been punished for basically every mistake this year, and we haven't turned up in the games we really needed to, which is the opposite of what we've done the last few years.
To only get 1 point out of Southampton is literally criminal. |  |
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 13:25 - Apr 14 with 1619 views | algy |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 11:38 - Apr 14 by SomethingBlue |
Have to say, though, that if you'd told me in August that we would take five points at Chelsea, Villa and Spurs I'd have assumed we were staying up fairly comfortably. Strange old season but we have not disgraced ourselves at all and will be better for it as a club. |
And if you'd told me in August that by Easter we would have won once in sixteen games at home, scoring only thirteen goals, lost eleven times including to Wolves, Everton and even Southampton and seen six opposition keepers get clean sheets, I'd have thought no, Super Kieran Mckenna won't do that badly. I'd have been wrong. | |
| I was there when McKenna's ITFC won in the Premier League at Home. Our only home win in a year. |
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 13:35 - Apr 14 with 1570 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 13:22 - Apr 14 by JammyDodgerrr |
I think if we add on the points we *should've* got through individual mistakes, and games we "should've" won from the situations we were in, I can at least think of:
+5 Southampton
+3 Bournemouth.
+3 Man United
+3 Brentford
+2 Villa
+2 Fulham.
That would give us 18 more and we'd be a few clear, but it is what it is. We haven't been able to deal with the ruthlessness of it and we've been punished for basically every mistake this year, and we haven't turned up in the games we really needed to, which is the opposite of what we've done the last few years.
To only get 1 point out of Southampton is literally criminal. |
I think in general we have at least competed well all season against teams with more resources and better players.
The biggest dissapointment for me in what I knew was always going to be a tough season would be like you say.. we haven't won any game against the non top 6 that had been earmarked as a potential win. | | | |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 14:17 - Apr 14 with 1458 views | textbackup |
You call us a small little market town don’t you |  |
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| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 14:42 - Apr 14 with 1378 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 14:17 - Apr 14 by textbackup |
You call us a small little market town don’t you |
Rich coming from someone that was saying we were going to lose 5 or 6-0 yesterday and has turned into the biggest fanny on this board. | | | |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 14:51 - Apr 14 with 1331 views | Ryorry |
| Is it quite comforting that realistically we had no chance this season? on 10:30 - Apr 14 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I still think that if Szmodics, Chaplin, Ogbene, Burns and Hirst had all stayed fit for most of the season we get more points than that. |
The Axed thumb and manic Muric moments were key for me - imagine our improved defending all season with Palmer instead of M and no Washing Up Bowl Incident! |  |
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